Italian woman has child taken from her womb by British social services - Polidicks

She can sue the fuck out them and get absurd money right? Because that's the only thing that can maybe fix this colossal fuck-up. Also getting her kid back, obviously. I can't believe she hasn't already resolved this issue honestly, they don't have a single thing going for them. Also, on top of everything, she's not even one of their own citizens. What the fuck were they thinking? [i]Seriously?[/i]

[QUOTE=Rolond Returns;43031666]the hatred I bear for my own country is pretty much splitting at the seams now.[/QUOTE] Now you know how we feel. Every. Single. Day.

Holy crap, I almost expected this to be an Onion article or something.. This is so messed up.

[QUOTE=Awesomecaek;43033662]This wasn't an abortion tho, the baby is alive.[/QUOTE] Abortion is the termination of a pregnancy.. although it is usually associated with the termination of the foetus, it doesn't necessarily have to result in the termination of the foetus.

Oh yeah, THIS will help with her mental conditions. Which to be honest really aren't that bad.

Wow this is so fucked up.

[QUOTE] an Italian who was in Britain on a work trip,[/QUOTE] Am I the only one who thinks that this is the worst part? Maybe if she was in Italy and this happened then it would be slightly less terrible but the fact that we did it to her and she was just on a trip here is sickening.

[QUOTE=Thomo_UK;43031485]I could understand taking it away from the mother but surely after it's at least been born. The thought of being made unconscious and then waking up and seeing it's gone surely only made her mental condition worse.[/QUOTE] do you know how much damage a caesarian does there's like a 50% chance that having another kid will kill you by splitting your womb open after having one

Doctors, nurses, radiographers, everyone who agreed to do this needs to be investigated by their governing board, and it's totally fucked that the court agreed to do this. I'd flat out refuse to help in the procedure, and I imagine the SoR would back me up on doing so if the HCPC complained. From the info I have, I don't believe it was acting on the best interests of the patient be they physically, mentally or medically. As for the court who ordered this and the social workers... I have no words.

[QUOTE=.Lain;43031475]what the hell, a forced caesarean? that's fucked up. no government or council should have the right to do anything like that[/QUOTE] I'm very indifferent with this case... if she completely lost it, both lives would have been in danger. You may assert that a forced operation is literally torture, but we are talking about an unstable human being with an innocent life whose life is precious just as the mothers is. [editline]1st December 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Zeke129;43033478]So should abortion be illegal[/QUOTE] I assumed the stage of abortion option was past.

Now that is absolutely horrific.

[QUOTE=Bradyns;43033497] Also, so much for informed consent in regards to the medical procedure.[/QUOTE] Most (all) places have laws in place that allow designated professionals to make decisions for you if you, or your family cannot. [editline]1st December 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Saxon;43032268]She just forgot to take her meds, way to make things escalate quickly. Should of just given her some new meds and kept her under surveillance until she calmed down.[/QUOTE] Bad Reading x 1 She was kept for 5 weeks, they clearly deemed it necessary to remove the child from her. I don't think you realize how quickly some people can turn, they were just thinking for her baby's best intrest. [editline]1st December 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=.Lain;43031475]what the hell, a forced caesarean? that's fucked up. no government or council should have the right to do anything like that[/QUOTE] Because having a crazy person potentially hold their baby as hostage is totally reasonable?

They're just pro choice, it's cool :dance:

I can understand they feared she could hurt the child but surely there was another way of dealing with this than just cutting it out?

I hope Italy gets pretty mad about this, this is fucking disgusting.

This country is getting worse and worse. I couldnt even picture anything like that happening here, but it did. God damn.

Might have been for the best, I'm sure they wouldn't have done it if there wasn't a genuine fear for the child's life. If nothing had been done, and this woman did something reckless and the child was injured or killed, the story would be very different.

The west needs a revolution, It has similarities to times in France before Napoleon came and fixed the rich raping the poor's lively hood.

[QUOTE=glitchvid;43034834]Most (all) places have laws in place that allow designated professionals to make decisions for you if you, or your family cannot. [editline]1st December 2013[/editline] Bad Reading x 1 She was kept for 5 weeks, they clearly deemed it necessary to remove the child from her. I don't think you realize how quickly some people can turn, they were just thinking for her baby's best intrest. [editline]1st December 2013[/editline] Because having a crazy person potentially hold their baby as hostage is totally reasonable?[/QUOTE] hey maybe instead of forcibly performing a c-section on the mother and never giving the child back even though she's in a fine mental state, they could actually like, help her out [I]during[/I] pregnancy? there's also the fact that she isn't even a UK citizen, nor did the council think to inform anyone in italy of what they were planning to do.

These things why i would like a independent scotland :v:

[QUOTE=LVL FACTORY;43036289]These things why i would like a independent scotland :v:[/QUOTE] I too love throwing my unrelated political belief around whenever my government does something I do not like.

[QUOTE=LVL FACTORY;43036289]These things why i would like a independent scotland :v:[/QUOTE] Yeah then you could be like Ireland where its better for a woman to die than get an abortion... I don't know why C section was considered the best way to go about it, but you could at least understand, when your having a mental breakdown, having the burden of child care isn't exactly going to help, but the fact the are keeping the child away from its mother, that's just fucking despicable.

Arrest every single one of the people involved in this.

We're all outsiders looking at a brief news report on this. SO; as an individual who works in an Inpatient Mental Health setting I will play the devil's advocate and propose the following... In the article it states she is diagnosed with a Bipolar Disorder (of which there are two types). The majority of medications used to treat Bipolar Disorder Type I and II are held to be considerably risky when the patient is with baby. In the article it says that she went to the Hospital due to a panic attack related to her not taking her medications. As someone who works very closely and often with Bipolar patients I can say with certainty that they can be of considerable risk to themselves and others when they aren't taking their medications (Mania is a feature of Bipolar Disorder which is characterized by a lower inhibition, feeling like you can do anything, lack of sleep, racing thoughts, disorganized and high risk behaviors). Perhaps the c-section wasn't entirely unwarranted.

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If you are caught with a mental illness, you will face the consequences. So much for all that tolerant liberal shit you hear spewing from the brits.

Mr.StealYourBaby

[QUOTE=glitchvid;43034834] She was kept for 5 weeks, they clearly deemed it necessary to remove the child from her. I don't think you realize how quickly some people can turn, they were just thinking for her baby's best intrest. Because having a crazy person potentially hold their baby as hostage is totally reasonable?[/QUOTE] 5 months is pretty quick... And who said anything about holding a baby hostage? The article said they forced the birth out of concern for the mother.

[QUOTE=tirpider;43036849]If you are caught with a mental illness, you will face the consequences. So much for all that tolerant liberal shit you hear spewing from the brits.[/QUOTE] If there's one thing almost everyone over here agrees on, it's that the Social Services are a fucking atrocious organisation that regularly overstep their boundaries. They seem to enjoy going out of their way to take kids from "possibly threatening" carers but never really do anything to help after the kid is in a home. Dunno why you felt posting "so much for all that tolerant liberal shit" like it's a bad thing, shit over here is pretty good if you never have to interact with our Social Services.

If I were there, I'd have to interact with your mental health care system. Seems like it's at least as shit as the one we have in america. And regarding my wording.. it's really the smugness that gets under my skin. The ideals may be fine, I just want to kick pompous assholes in the teeth though. It's a personality flaw I have to live with.