Italian woman has child taken from her womb by British social services - Polidicks

[QUOTE=hexpunK;43037105]If there's one thing almost everyone over here agrees on, it's that the Social Services are a fucking atrocious organisation that regularly overstep their boundaries. They seem to enjoy going out of their way to take kids from "possibly threatening" carers but never really do anything to help after the kid is in a home. Dunno why you felt posting "so much for all that tolerant liberal shit" like it's a bad thing, shit over here is pretty good if you never have to interact with our Social Services.[/QUOTE] Sounds just like the Child Protection Agency we have in America. Misdemeanor? Bye kid/s. Low level drug charges? Bye kid/s. Minor domestic dispute? Bye kid/s. [editline]1st December 2013[/editline] Want to do anything with your kids deemed "unsafe notgood" by the CPA? Bye kid/s.

[QUOTE=tirpider;43037142]If I were there, I'd have to interact with your mental health care system. Seems like it's at least as shit as the one we have in america. And regarding my wording.. it's really the smugness that gets under my skin. The ideals may be fine, I just want to kick pompous assholes in the teeth though. It's a personality flaw I have to live with.[/QUOTE] I can't really name a country that has great mental healthcare. It's a pretty hard thing to do seeing as the whole area varies from person to person. But I'm still not seeing how our social service being shit awful reflects badly on "tolerant liberal shit", it has nothing to do with that. Assuming it worked right with ease it'd be a key part of an ideology in terms of healthcare. Even the most conservative of people should be able to see where mental healthcare is helpful. [editline]1st December 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=U.S.S.R;43037170]Sounds just like the Child Protection Agency we have in America. Misdemeanor? Bye kid/s. Low level drug charges? Bye kid/s. Minor domestic dispute? Bye kid/s. [editline]1st December 2013[/editline] Want to do anything with your kids deemed "unsafe notgood" by the CPA? Bye kid/s.[/QUOTE] I think I've worked it out. Awful child welfare services are the bridge between a people. The one thing we truly have in common. It's genius when you think about it!

Happen to have family issues and your kids don't go to school for awhile? Unfit parent. Bye kid/s.

Yeah. "tolerant liberal shit" is out of context here. I'm just posting out of flow of consciousness. It does carry the weight of my feelings of contempt though, even if it isn't literally relevant. -edit I suppose I could at least try to express how mad it makes me to see mental illness criminalized and see it's sufferer's dignity and rights stripped away.... I don't have words for it. Just an impotent feeling of rage. Kinda hope bad things happen to all the folks involved. Not death or anything, but maybe wrongfully imprisoned or some shit. Something that strips their dignity and basic rights away... something they can't control. -edit Easy to say "dumb" when you have never been cuffed, hospitalized, "re-educated", and told to be anything but yourself.

[QUOTE=tirpider;43037260]Yeah. "tolerant liberal shit" is out of context here. I'm just posting out of flow of consciousness. It does carry the weight of my feelings of contempt though, even if it isn't literally relevant.[/QUOTE] Fair enough. It'd be hypocritical of me to say I've never done the same at some point.

This is pretty rubbish, and I hope she gets compensation, as well as her child back for this ridiculous breach of [i]humanity[/i], in the name of rules and regulation.

[QUOTE=.Lain;43031475]what the hell, a forced caesarean? that's fucked up. no government or council should have the right to do anything like that[/QUOTE] If someone is mentally unstable it might not be in their best interests or the babies to give a natural birth.

[QUOTE=Sword and Paint;43037596]If someone is mentally unstable it might not be in their best interests or the babies to give a natural birth.[/QUOTE] you think so? then the council should have performed the operation with actual [I]consent?[/I] C-sections are permanently damaging, and especially in this case, can have serious mental health impacts. they least they can do is contact the father, close family relatives and the country she actually resides within primarily.

I really want to know how Italy (the government and the populace) responds to this. I mean, if this happened to an American national, everyone would be flipping the fuck out over this. I mean, no amount of "she was mentally unstable it was the best option for the child" can justify forcing a caesarian on a foreigner. That's up to the person's home country to decide, and I highly doubt any other first world country would do something like this.

[QUOTE=.Lain;43037652]you think so? then the council should have performed the operation with actual [I]consent?[/I] [/QUOTE] Most countries have laws in place that make it so consent isn't needed if the patients are confirmed to be in a unhealthy mental state. [QUOTE=.Lain;43037652] C-sections are permanently damaging, and especially in this case, can have serious mental health impacts. they least they can do is contact the father, close family relatives and the country she actually resides within primarily.[/QUOTE] To the state, the people don't legally 'exist', it's bureaucracy at it's finest. But I don't think you realize the seriousness that is mentally unstable (someone Bipolar), and possibly can't be medicated (because of their pregnancy) person can pose to their children. I dunno if you've ever known anyone Bipolar, but I've known some good friends that even while medicated will suddenly drop off the radar, and then pop up a week later talking about how they tried to kill themselves, or being successful and reading it in the papers.

Somebody's getting fucking fired in 3...2...

I am lost for words. This is fucking sick.

[QUOTE=Zeke129;43033478]So should abortion be illegal[/QUOTE] That's why I said "a fetus that is intended to be birthed is essentially a child", and you would not disagree. Think about it this way: when a murderer murders a pregnant woman, he is often charged for the murder of the woman and the baby, this is because the baby was terminated without the mother's consent. This means that a fetus is treated as a child/person unless the mother says otherwise. [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unborn_Victims_of_Violence_Act[/url] [editline]1st December 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=BANNED USER;43033563]A forced abortion performed on someone who wasn't even a citizen? This is not only legal, but got actual approval from a high court to happen??[img]http://www.adiumxtras.com/images/pictures/something_awful_2_6634_2842_image_3468.gif[/img][/QUOTE] abortion?

[QUOTE=Egevened;43032137]for a procedure that took 3 mental health workers and some additional 2 people who oversee the process to make a terrible mistake yeah, fuck the COUNTRY[/QUOTE] I'm more concerned about the common law legal system which allowed a judge to do that in the first place.

[QUOTE=MaxOfS2D;43031501]The way it happened is insanely fucked up IMO[/QUOTE] Not to mention the risks associated with having a c section. So fucking irresponsible and fucked up on the governments behalf. While it's incredibly unlikely they could have killed both the mother and the child pulling this shit.

[QUOTE=ScratchNsniff;43035039]They're just pro choice, it's cool :dance:[/QUOTE] Quite the opposite. Where did she make the choice? If anything this is in favor of pro-choice.

[QUOTE=Xenomoose;43038645]I really want to know how Italy (the government and the populace) responds to this. I mean, if this happened to an American national, everyone would be flipping the fuck out over this. I mean, no amount of "she was mentally unstable it was the best option for the child" can justify forcing a caesarian on a foreigner. That's up to the person's home country to decide, and I highly doubt any other first world country would do something like this.[/QUOTE] No one cares. It's not even mentioned on the major newspapers.

I would be surprised if anyone did care. For most of the rotten people in the world, Mental Illness = Criminal. Except for the human interest stories about kids with downs syndrome, where it's all hugs and smiling, the general image of mental illness is the crazy, naked drunk guy mumbling to himself as he holds up a liquor store. If anything positive comes out of this particular case, it will be because someone gets embarrassed, not because it was the wrong thing to do.

Damn brits

[QUOTE=Xenomoose;43038645]I really want to know how Italy (the government and the populace) responds to this. I mean, if this happened to an American national, everyone would be flipping the fuck out over this. I mean, no amount of "she was mentally unstable it was the best option for the child" can justify forcing a caesarian on a foreigner. That's up to the person's home country to decide, and I highly doubt any other first world country would do something like this.[/QUOTE] The media here in Italy didn't said anything. To be clear, in Italy all that we (I should say the rest of the Italians) care about is Roma losing against Milan in a soccer match, or gossip on some stupid VIP, or useless shit. We keep complaining about stuff and nobody does anything. So no, Italy will not respond to this. "Not their problem".

[QUOTE=Zally13;43042608]Quite the opposite. Where did she make the choice? If anything this is in favor of pro-choice.[/QUOTE] Pro-Life until the child is born, has mental issues or is a minority.