Woman tries to turn in StG 44 at gun buyback, cops refuse to melt down piece of history

[DireWolf]

[QUOTE=AJisAwesome15;38795101]eh it's just a gun[/QUOTE]

But it's a [i]cool[/i] gun...

[butre]

[QUOTE=latin_geek;38795210]Except a ton of shit was made for world war 2? I'd imagine the price of something like one of those mass-production german guns that looked like a couple bits of plumbing would be pretty low[/QUOTE]

[url]http://www.westernfirearms.com/wfc/mp38?set=14&sz=800x600[/url]

$24000 isn't low

[trotskygrad]

[QUOTE=ButtsexV3;38794990]no, FG42 also used 7.92x57[/QUOTE]

I meant, when he was thinking of a selective fire WWII rifle that could be considered a predecessor to the assault rifle that was in 8mm IS, he could have been thinking of the FG42

[QUOTE=ButtsexV3;38794890]7.92x33mm Kurz (kurz means short). it's a shortened version of 7.92x57mm Mauser. they're unique to the gun.[/QUOTE]

wrong, MKb 42(H) and Gustloff Volkssturmgewehr also used the 7.92x33 Kurz.

[butre]

[QUOTE=trotskygrad;38795538]I meant, when he was thinking of a selective fire WWII rifle that could be considered a predecessor to the assault rifle that was in 8mm IS, he could have been thinking of the FG42

wrong, MKb 42(H) and Gustloff Volkssturmgewehr also used the 7.92x33 Kurz.[/QUOTE]

mkb42h was an stg44 prototype and the volkssturmgewehr was essentially Germany's Sten

[trotskygrad]

[QUOTE=ButtsexV3;38795687]mkb42h was an stg44 prototype and the volkssturmgewehr was essentially Germany's Sten[/QUOTE]

so? they're still other guns (I'd say the MKb is distinct enough as it fires from an open bolt) that use the same cartridge

there's also the StG45(M) which uses also completely different delayed blowback mechanism

for the record I'd say the Wimmersperg Spz-kr (also in 7.92x33 kurz) closer to the Sten than the Gustloff.

Saying that the 7.92x33 Kurz was unique to one gun is just wrong.

[Gekkosan]

Wonder how many people were killed with that specific gun.

[butre]

[QUOTE=trotskygrad;38795727]so? they're still other guns (I'd say the MKb is distinct enough as it fires from an open bolt) that use the same cartridge

there's also the StG45(M) which uses also completely different delayed blowback mechanism

for the record I'd say the Wimmersperg Spz-kr (also in 7.92x33 kurz) closer to the Sten than the Gustloff.

Saying that the 7.92x33 Kurz was unique to one gun is just wrong.[/QUOTE]

the stg45m never made it to production and as far as I'm aware there aren't any known examples of a wimmersperg spz-kr anywhere

[trotskygrad]

[QUOTE=ButtsexV3;38795813]the stg45m never made it to production[/QUOTE]

and that changes what?

[DongBeast]

This belongs in a museum, or in the hands of a collector and educator who appreciates the historical value. That weapon has seen a lot and part of me can only wonder what happened to the man it was issued to.

[Trunk Monkay]

[QUOTE=AJisAwesome15;38795101]eh it's just a gun[/QUOTE]

That rifle served in the largest conflict man has ever taken part in. Who held that rifle? Did it's user kill anyone with it? Not only does it's rarity, age, and the fact it was the first assault rifle ever made, but it's historical value is also great. The train of thought "Eh, it's just a gun" is what caused this woman to try and turn in rare and expensive relic that her father left to here, to some BS gun drive where it would have been melted down for scrap.

[editline]12th December 2012[/editline]

[QUOTE=Deadman;38796109]This belongs in a museum, or in the hands of a collector and educator who appreciates the historical value. That weapon has seen a lot and part of me can only wonder what happened to the man it was issued to.[/QUOTE]

Because it was brought home by a US solider, the original infantrymen it was issued to was probably killed.

[trotskygrad]

[QUOTE=Trunk Monkay;38796135]Because it was brought home by a US solider, the original infantrymen it was issued to was probably killed.[/QUOTE]

could have been late war in which soldiers surrendered in the thousands

[Milk]

I'd imagine the outcome of the war had this rifle been produced in 1938

[Neo Kabuto]

[QUOTE=PaChIrA;38793038]I am surprised you would get WaW memories considering the only game that made a big deal about it would be Medal of Honor Allied Assault. Since it had a mission where you had to capture one for Aliied command and then blow up the rest of the rifles inside a bunker.[/QUOTE]

I'm not surprised at all. It was in almost every CoD game (at least the old WW2 ones), which included WaW.

[🦇Pachira🦇]

[QUOTE=Neo Kabuto;38796363]I'm not surprised at all. It was in almost every CoD game (at least the old WW2 ones), which included WaW.[/QUOTE]

I know, I am just curious why it reminds him of just WaW considering the MP44 was just there, wheras MOHAA had a mission where you had to grab one and stuff like that. Also the WaW MP44 has a crap firing sound, but that has no real bearing on this.

[NomadicNinja]

isn't this thing the world's first assault rifle

i liked using it in day of defeat

[trotskygrad]

[QUOTE=Milkdairy;38796355]I'd imagine the outcome of the war had this rifle been produced in 1938[/QUOTE]

small arms tech is unlikely to have a large impact in the outcome of the war

last war it did was the Austro-Prussian War

[🦇Pachira🦇]

[QUOTE=trotskygrad;38796600]small arms tech is unlikely to have a large impact in the outcome of the war

last war it did was the Austro-Prussian War[/QUOTE]

And plus, the combined numbers and might of the various allied nations would overpower it still anyways. Germany was one against many.

[trotskygrad]

[QUOTE=PaChIrA;38796656]And plus, the combined numbers and might of the various allied nations would overpower it still anyways. Germany was one against many.[/QUOTE]

this

germany had a large small arms advantage through the war pretty much with the MG34/MG42 (with QCBs and relative light weight compared to allied MGs) and it didn't do them much.

[Daniel Smith]

The StG 44 was always the most fascinating WW2 weapon IMO

That gun even had it's own sequel, the StG 45.

[IMG]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/6c/Munster_Sturmgewehr_45_(dark1).jpg/800px-Munster_Sturmgewehr_45_(dark1).jpg[/IMG]

[trotskygrad]

[QUOTE=Daniel Smith;38797148]The StG 44 was always the most fascinating WW2 weapon IMO,

That gun even had it's own sequel, the StG 45.

[IMG]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/6c/Munster_Sturmgewehr_45_(dark1).jpg/800px-Munster_Sturmgewehr_45_(dark1).jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]

plenty of guns had "sequels"

MP38, MP40 and MP41

[editline]11th December 2012[/editline]

[QUOTE=Neat!;38794706]i just want a tokarev svt-40 for less than 1k[/QUOTE]

do you live in canada? you can get them for cheaper there

[catbarf]

[QUOTE=trotskygrad;38796600]small arms tech is unlikely to have a large impact in the outcome of the war

last war it did was the Austro-Prussian War[/QUOTE]

Large impact, no, but you can't deny that a lack of submachine guns and cold-resistant small arms contributed in some part to failures at Leningrad and Stalingrad.

For want of a nail and all that.

[trotskygrad]

[QUOTE=catbarf;38797608]Large impact, no, but you can't deny that a lack of submachine guns and cold-resistant small arms contributed in some part to failures at Leningrad and Stalingrad.

For want of a nail and all that.[/QUOTE]

didn't all era small arms have around the same cold resistance?

mosin was better afaik because you could kick open the bolt if it froze.

Still, I'd argue that they weren't large strategic factors at said battles

[catbarf]

[QUOTE=trotskygrad;38797662]didn't all era small arms have around the same cold resistance?[/QUOTE]

The German preference for the PPSh for, amongst other reasons, its resistance to freezing and jamming in extreme conditions, is pretty well documented in Stalingrad literature. Captured PPShs were even re-chambered for 9x19mm and put back into service.

[abcpea2]

[QUOTE]This German-made machine gun can fire 500 rounds in minutes[/QUOTE]

gshdghsdfhgs

[trotskygrad]

[QUOTE=catbarf;38797720]The German preference for the PPSh for, amongst other reasons, its resistance to freezing and jamming in extreme conditions, is pretty well documented in Stalingrad literature. Captured PPShs were even re-chambered for 9x19mm and put back into service.[/QUOTE]

ah I was thinking rifles

[Viva_]

[QUOTE=teh pirate;38794795]Yes, there are artists who enjoy welding guns together into various boring shapes like cubes to make a "statement". I've seen murals made of guns exclusively from specific eras like WW2, WW1 or the Civil War for example.[/QUOTE]

I don't mind just like guns in general. But not guns with historical ties to them. Those are no longer "instruments of death" but are relics of a past age to dwell upon and reflect.

[smileykiller447]

[QUOTE=catbarf;38797720]The [B]Russian[/B] preference for the PPSh for, amongst other reasons, its resistance to freezing and jamming in extreme conditions, is pretty well documented in Stalingrad literature. Captured PPShs were even re-chambered for 9x19mm and put back into service.[/QUOTE]

I think I fixed?

[asteroidrules]

[QUOTE=smileykiller447;38798271]I think I fixed?[/QUOTE]

No. The PPSh was Russian, but German soldiers preferred to use captured PPSh's over their issued MPs because they were more reliable. The Wermacht actually ended up rechambering and officially issuing PPSh-41s.

[Trunk Monkay]

[QUOTE=smileykiller447;38798271]I think I fixed?[/QUOTE]

captured PPSH's were some of the most popular weapons in the Wehrmacht towards the end of the war, especially in Leningrad and Stalingrad.

[Bredirish123]

[QUOTE=fruxodaily;38790482]it should be displayed in a war museum tbh[/QUOTE]

[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/TVPph.jpg[/IMG]

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