Scopes Weeps: Evolution Still Struggling in Public Schools - Polidicks

[QUOTE=joes33431;27732479]To be completely honest, I like to mix the ideas of both evolution and creationsim into a big pot and find out which makes most sense. For example, it makes sense that it took thousands of years to build the intricate designs of body systems themselves, but it seems somewhat strange to say that these intricate systems were created by accident. Perhaps I am missing a part of the big picture? If anything, I think that theres some association between intelligent design and evolution, we're just too busy arguing over who's right and who's wrong to even test for the existence of such correlation.[/QUOTE] you have successfully demonstrated that you have zero knowledge of evolution you say things "happen by accident" but you don't understand gradual change insect wings began as a way to dissipate heat eyes began as light-sensitive cells it's not like organisms' offspring sprout wings in one generation, it takes millions of years

[QUOTE=cheesedelux;27729061]They usually are though. It helps in some ways but makes them biased as hell when it comes to teaching about other religions or when somebody answers a question in a way which doesn't fit their own religious beliefs. The RE teachers are the only very clearly religious teachers at my school, apart from an old physics teacher who has a bible at the front of the room and when showing up deep field photographs taught us about how old the galaxies must be if we're seeing them from so far away with some quick calculations, but then said that it was a test of faith because the universe [B]obviously[/B] wasn't that old. :rolleyes: I feel sorry for the young kids who get him for general 'science' which includes biology.[/QUOTE] He should be struck off, he doesn't even fucking agree with what he teaches so why the fuck does he teach it, there shouldn't be a shadow of doubt in his mind that reality is scientific and based on such calculations which have been repeated uncountable times just to lend more credence to their idea.

Another point I skimmed past is that 'accident' implies intent.

[QUOTE=joes33431;27732479]To be completely honest, I like to mix the ideas of both evolution and creationsim into a big pot and find out which makes most sense. For example, it makes sense that it took thousands of years to build the intricate designs of body systems themselves, but it seems somewhat strange to say that these intricate systems were created by accident. Perhaps I am missing a part of the big picture? If anything, I think that theres some association between intelligent design and evolution, we're just too busy arguing over who's right and who's wrong to even test for the existence of such correlation.[/QUOTE] IT WASN'T A FUCKING ACCIDENT!! ACCIDENT IMPLIES THERE WAS SOME SORT OF FORCE CAPABLE OF GUIDING IT, THERE WAS NONE! GIVEN 4 BILLION FUCKING YEARS TRUST ME MOTHER FUCKER ORGANIC COMPOUNDS WILL COMBINE IN SUCH A WAY THAT THE EMERGENT PROPERTY OF LIFE WILL WITHOUT A SHADOW OF DOUBT ARISE! AND YES I AM ENRAGED, IN FACT MORE THAN ENRAGED. i'M FUCKING LIVID

[QUOTE=Robber;27728614]Even my religion teacher doesn't believe in creationism. :razz:[/QUOTE] Back in Scotland my religious education teacher was an atheist/agnostic. I heard from people that the school intentionally did that so that in our teachings she wouldn't be biased at all and offend any students. Seemed like a relatively sensible idea to me.

[QUOTE=sltungle;27747635]Back in Scotland my religious education teacher was an atheist/agnostic. I heard from people that the school intentionally did that so that in our teachings she wouldn't be biased at all and offend any students. Seemed like a relatively sensible idea to me.[/QUOTE] Mines were die hard catholics, they were the shit, they actually listened to peoples arguments for and against an idea. Between them and my physics teacher we could create the greatest teacher in the history of mankind.

We don't have religious education here.

[QUOTE=Miskav;27747925]We don't have religious education here.[/QUOTE] It's mot that bad, you just write pish about how Moses wasted all the egyptians and God despite commiting the most impressive and toturous mass murder in human history is an all forgiving all loving character in this cherade we call life.

[QUOTE=bravehat;27747950]It's mot that bad, you just write pish about how Moses wasted all the egyptians and God despite commiting the most impressive and toturous mass murder in human history is an all forgiving all loving character in this cherade we call life.[/QUOTE] Sounds like a good sci-fi script, just include lasers.

[QUOTE=Miskav;27748634]Sounds like a good sci-fi script, just include lasers.[/QUOTE] Nothing would ever top Revelations made into a film, but it needs Keanu Reaves, Morgan Freeman, Robert Downey Junior and Bruce Willis. Or maybe if they just made The Salvation War and Pantheocide into films, in 3D, directed by Peter Jackson and definetly not Shamylan, never shamylan.

[QUOTE=bravehat;27748674]Nothing would ever top Revelations made into a film, but it needs Keanu Reaves, Morgan Freeman, Robert Downey Junior and Bruce Willis. Or maybe if they just made The Salvation War and Pantheocide into films, in 3D, directed by Peter Jackson and definetly not Shamylan, never shamylan.[/QUOTE] Shamylan; Plot twist! God is satan is disguise.

Fucking Shamylan. Plot Twist: Oh look! the village was actually in the middle of New York all the time and no one ever jumped the fence and ran into the village!

Funny, in my school, no one belives in Creationism. We all think it's fucking stupid :v: Even the teachers.

This doesn't even seem like a creationist/evolutionist controversy, it just sounds to me like this study is saying that a lot of teachers don't know how to teach "effectively" as set by the standards of the study. Barring the many that actually CAN teach effectively in their own way, it's basically saying that some teachers don't know how to teach. Yeah, I knew that already.

[QUOTE=cheesedelux;27729061]They usually are though. It helps in some ways but makes them biased as hell when it comes to teaching about other religions or when somebody answers a question in a way which doesn't fit their own religious beliefs. The RE teachers are the only very clearly religious teachers at my school, apart from an old physics teacher who has a bible at the front of the room and when showing up deep field photographs taught us about how old the galaxies must be if we're seeing them from so far away with some quick calculations, but then said that it was a test of faith because the universe [B]obviously[/B] wasn't that old. :rolleyes: I feel sorry for the young kids who get him for general 'science' which includes biology.[/QUOTE] IMO a good sign of a good teacher is that you don't see if they are religious or not. Because most of the time when someone is clearly is religious, they really rarely dump their dogmatic attitude and world view while teaching.

It'll take more than getting receptive teachers. I'm being trained as a teacher with science accreditation and there's plenty of us who would be fine teaching evolution. The problem comes in with many state governments whose education agencies or boards will not allow the teaching of evolution or have us teach something like "Intelligent Design" along with evolution. Here in my part of Texas for instance, most of the districts I've been too avoid the issue by not teaching either. That's how I went through biology as well in High School- we were never taught anything regarding it. It was mentioned in our books but curriculum did not go over that chapter. We've had cases before of teachers- who not even mentioning in the classroom but among themselves- have ended up getting fired or removed from the district. We can not underestimate the political "importance" that certain groups attach to evolution, using it as a means to distract their constituents into focusing on something stupid while letting those politicians do what they wish. In this case the Republican party here in Texas makes full use of it and with the incoming Tea bagger influence, it's been intensified. Democrats in Texas are of course too spineless to stand up for it. We already saw in Texas with the SBOE's ridiculous social studies changes which was very much a way to pander to the tea-bagger types so they'll ignore the shit the new legislature will do in their meeting soon. Back a few years ago a teacher who was a member of the SBOE's science branch- Christine Comer- was fired after she had said into an email to some people she felt that "Intelligent Design" was a front for creationist advocates to get a foot in the door in science classrooms. The SBOE said it was for "repeated misconduct" but the true reason we can all see. Comer received letters of support from other teachers who too felt they were being bullied into not teaching evolution, and the move received condemnation across the country: [url]http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/30/us/30resign.html?_r=2[/url] So it's one thing if you can get the teachers- it's another if you can get the local and state boards to follow through. Considering how important topics like "evolution", "gay marriage", "American Exceptionalism", etc are to certain politicians to distract their constituents, it's much harder to do. It doesn't matter if you have a teacher who can provide ample explanation of evolution to students or teachers if they're already hardwired to see it as a lie perpetuated by liberals trying to take over the class room.

[QUOTE=MercZ;27756865]It doesn't matter if you have a teacher who can provide ample explanation of evolution to students or teachers if they're already hardwired to see it as a lie perpetuated by liberals trying to take over the class room.[/QUOTE] Another great example of the same conservative persecution complex I was talking about in the GMF earlier.

Creationism isn't a science and shouldn't be called "Intelligent Design" it's just another way to sneak in creationism into schools. GO SCIENCE !

i went to a catholic school that taught evolution i guess its more of location..

[QUOTE=privatesmily;27759228]i went to a catholic school that taught evolution i guess its more of location..[/QUOTE] I wouldn't be so sure about that, I also went to a catholic school and was taught about evolution, infact my physics and biology teacher looked down on the whole idea of "god".

[QUOTE=Zeke129;27737667]No, because that lends validity to an invalid idea.[/QUOTE] It's like if teachers were told to teach the controversy between Darwinian and Lamarckian evolution. There isn't one because one of them is retarded.

[QUOTE=sp00ks;27728523]It's like a physics teacher "believing" in gravity, but who actually thinks it's little angels pulling things together.[/QUOTE] Gravity is your sins pulling you to hell.

[QUOTE=Mingebox;27761379]Gravity is your sins pulling you to hell.[/QUOTE] Earth is hell?

[QUOTE=Miskav;27765459]Earth is hell?[/QUOTE] you're catching on! A+

[QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;27760822]It's like if teachers were told to teach the controversy between Darwinian and Lamarckian evolution. There isn't one because one of them is retarded.[/QUOTE] Or if they were told to teach alchemy in chemistry class

Or if he stuck a feather in his hat and called it macaroni

Fantastic! Finally!I wonder when more of the truth will finally come out, there's no such thing as gravity, we all stay on this earth because of the ever-loving grace of the wizard in the sky. Seriously though, the IDEA of a Biology teacher not accepting the theory of evolution is saddening. Knowing it's a reality is horrible. :eng99:

[QUOTE=Xolo;27720759]If they're not teaching it properly they should be fired.[/QUOTE] Sadly intelligent design is given just as much time in my class as evolution.

[QUOTE=imasillypiggy;27767123]Sadly intelligent design is given just as much time in my class as evolution.[/QUOTE] Why? It's not even a hypothesis, it's just an idea. Evolution is a fully fledged scientific fact.

[QUOTE=Jookia;27767841]Why? It's not even a hypothesis, it's just an idea. Evolution is a fully fledged scientific fact.[/QUOTE] 'Merica.