Scopes Weeps: Evolution Still Struggling in Public Schools - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Meatpuppet;27799828]isn't evolution still a theory [editline]1st February 2011[/editline] I want to tell these people who believe that earth was created 6k years ago, don't believe in carbon dating, to fuck off, but I want to tell them with facts so they can't bs me again[/QUOTE] A theory is a well-established idea/concept with a large amount of evidence backing it. Gravity is a theory too.

Well yeah, so evolution isn't a fact. And gravity doesn't function well on extremely small objects, that's why it's a theory. I guess I have to way to tell these people the earth is more than 6k years old =\ [editline]1st February 2011[/editline] no way*

[QUOTE=Meatpuppet;27800292]And gravity doesn't function well on extremely small objects,[/QUOTE] Yes it does. [QUOTE=Meatpuppet;27800292]that's why it's a theory.[/QUOTE] No it isn't. Please know what the hell you're talking about before you talk.

[QUOTE=Meatpuppet;27799828]isn't evolution still a theory [editline]1st February 2011[/editline] I want to tell these people who believe that earth was created 6k years ago, don't believe in carbon dating, to fuck off, but I want to tell them with facts so they can't bs me again[/QUOTE] The scientific use of the word "theory" is different from the layman's use of the word "theory". A scientific theory doesn't get 'upgraded' to fact or law. It works in tandem with them. Fact: something happened. Ex: we see a change in species over time. Theory: the explanation of how / why something happened. Ex: animals don't make perfect clones of themselves when they reproduce, instead their offspring have various mutations (There are more bad mutations than good mutations, but the vast number of mutations are neutral). The creatures with mutations better suited for their environment live longer and reproduce more often, so their traits have a higher chance of passing on. As time goes on, the better traits live on while the worse mutations tend to die out. Law: a mathematical statement of how stuff happens. Also, carbon dating isn't our only type of radiometric dating. We have multiple types, and they all give roughly the same dates for the same objects (within a margin of error).

[QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;27800374]Yes it does. [/QUOTE] no it doesn't. I'm talking EXTREMELY small objects, where gravity does not on those objects. [editline]1st February 2011[/editline] also [url]http://www.bringyou.to/apologetics/p67.htm[/url] for shits and giggles.

^oh shit bro you are asking for it

[QUOTE=Meatpuppet;27801531]no it doesn't. I'm talking EXTREMELY small objects, where gravity does not on those objects. [editline]1st February 2011[/editline] also [url]http://www.bringyou.to/apologetics/p67.htm[/url] for shits and giggles.[/QUOTE] ahaha I'm not in any shape or form well-spoken in the field of physics but it's pretty basic knowledge that gravity affects all matter, even if it affects it so minutely that it isn't noticeable.

[QUOTE=Meatpuppet;27801531]no it doesn't. I'm talking EXTREMELY small objects, where gravity does not on those objects. [editline]1st February 2011[/editline] also [url]http://www.bringyou.to/apologetics/p67.htm[/url] for shits and giggles.[/QUOTE] Stopped reading at the first paragraph,whoever wrote that is either a troll or a dumbfuck.

[QUOTE=Miskav;27801781]Stopped reading at the first paragraph,whoever wrote that is either a troll or a dumbfuck.[/QUOTE] Satire bro. It's pretty obvious. [editline]1st February 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Meatpuppet;27801531]no it doesn't. I'm talking EXTREMELY small objects, where gravity does not on those objects. [editline]1st February 2011[/editline] also [url]http://www.bringyou.to/apologetics/p67.htm[/url] for shits and giggles.[/QUOTE] Yeah, so what. My ruler isn't effective at measuring microbes, does that mean it can't be used for measuring?

ENOUGH! Nothing makes sense, God comes out of nowhere and makes everything now he wants to be good or you will stay in hell forever. then a guy called jesus/mohammand/that jewish guy came and told you shit goin' down blah blah, blah blah and then you will all die on judgement day for some gay reason cockie qookie doopy doo duurrr A explosion happened out of nothing for no reason at all and then little objects all got togather and made this which then made that blah blah and then they turn into micro organisms and now your a human made out of nothing and every time to go look for the origin of something their is a origin of that too and that and that and fucknig that doggie pooie lookie fucking googie NOTHING MAKES SENSE. EXISTENCE MAKES NO SENSE. ALL THEORIES ARE IMPOSSIBLE. INCLUDING THIS ONE. But for some reason we exist, or do we? Fuck it who cares? Even thought I believe that evolution shit, still doesn't tells us how everything truly began, that religion bullshit?...Well they ain't always close-minded. Look, I don't believe the big bang was the start of the universe since something before it had to start the explosions and shitz(but it did make plants and suns and star and all that). But yeah before that something had to cause whatever cause the big bang. Then before that and more and more. Do you really think a ant is that small? a cell? there would always be something smaller then that. You think the sun is big? the universe? There is properly tings beyond our universe. Who knows, we might be a fucking small spark of energy for some giant atom or some shit. Think about it. Hell we might be jsut a very very very very small unit of some big ass giant. HELL! Maybe beyond the smallest thing in the universe will have regular life on it, Like us maybe. Who knows we might be nothing more but a small, SMALL unit part thing of a cell for some big ass creature. Maybe.....a parallel human. Look I'll let ya finish but I am the greatest debater of all time, of all time. They call me The Master bater.

you are dumb.

[QUOTE=Makarov;27802024]ENOUGH! Nothing makes sense, God comes out of nowhere and makes everything now he wants to be good or you will stay in hell forever. then a guy called jesus/mohammand/that jewish guy came and told you shit goin' down blah blah, blah blah and then you will all die on judgement day for some gay reason cockie qookie doopy doo duurrr A explosion happened out of nothing for no reason at all and then little objects all got togather and made this which then made that blah blah and then they turn into micro organisms and now your a human made out of nothing and every time to go look for the origin of something their is a origin of that too and that and that and fucknig that doggie pooie lookie fucking googie NOTHING MAKES SENSE. EXISTENCE MAKES NO SENSE. ALL THEORIES ARE IMPOSSIBLE. INCLUDING THIS ONE. But for some reason we exist, or do we? Fuck it who cares? Even thought I believe that evolution shit, still doesn't tells us how everything truly began, that religion bullshit?...Well they ain't always close-minded. Look, I don't believe the big bang was the start of the universe since something before it had to start the explosions and shitz(but it did make plants and suns and star and all that). But yeah before that something had to cause whatever cause the big bang. Then before that and more and more. Do you really think a ant is that small? a cell? there would always be something smaller then that. You think the sun is big? the universe? There is properly tings beyond our universe. Who knows, we might be a fucking small spark of energy for some giant atom or some shit. Think about it. Hell we might be jsut a very very very very small unit of some big ass giant. HELL! Maybe beyond the smallest thing in the universe will have regular life on it, Like us maybe. Who knows we might be nothing more but a small, SMALL unit part thing of a cell for some big ass creature. Maybe.....a parallel human. Look I'll let ya finish but I am the greatest debater of all time, of all time. They call me The Master bater.[/QUOTE] Do you happen to look like this? [img]http://stokingtheroots.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/juggalo.jpg[/img]

[QUOTE=rosar0980;27785029]Why are there not lines of evolved people coming out of the jungle? [B]Apes are born apes and die apes.[/B],[/QUOTE] :sigh:

Evolve better public schools.

[QUOTE=Spartan One;27785510]a scientist completely proved that non-life cannot become life[/QUOTE] First thats not evolution and second no scientist has ever said that who has an IQ over 80. [editline]1st February 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Meatpuppet;27799828]isn't evolution still a theory [/QUOTE] Look up what a theory is. its not a guess its the best thing something in science can get.

[QUOTE=Meatpuppet;27802431]you are dumb.[/QUOTE] No opinion nor theory is dumb. You are clearly jelly that I found out the meaning of everything and catnuggets in one post(jooke). Look I might look like a tin-foil hat craze fool but I never called any theory nor opinion ever, dumb. My theory might be dumb and completely insane, but I believe it. I would have thought you would be atleast a bit of accepting to other people's idea instead of the old "Your opinion and ideas are wrong and stupid, mines are right." Idea. But ya just hatin' all hatin'. If you don't believe in my beliefs then hat is 100% fine with me, but don't go bashing on them. I mean, it's not like neither of us actually know shit to be honest, everyone, even the smartest people in the world don't know anything about the world, they only believe in things. One of the top rules of science: You can never prove anything, only find evidence of it.

[QUOTE=Makarov;27802861]No opinion nor theory is dumb. You are clearly jelly that I found out the meaning of everything and catnuggets in one post(jooke). Look I might look like a tin-foil hat craze fool but I never called any theory nor opinion ever, dumb. My theory might be dumb and completely insane, but I believe it. I would have thought you would be atleast a bit of accepting to other people's idea instead of the old "Your opinion and ideas are wrong and stupid, mines are right." Idea. But ya just hatin' all hatin'. If you don't believe in my beliefs then hat is 100% fine with me, but don't go bashing on them. I mean, it's not like neither of us actually know shit to be honest, everyone, even the smartest people in the world don't know anything about the world, they only believe in things. One of the top rules of science: You can never prove anything, only find evidence of it.[/QUOTE]The second you let someone know what your opinion is on something, they have the right to rip it to shreds. Just because it's an opinion doesn't mean it isn't wrong. It can (and in your case is) be based on ignorance and/or stupidity.

[QUOTE=Makarov;27802861]No opinion nor theory is dumb. [B]You are clearly jelly that I found out the meaning of everything and catnuggets in one post(jooke).[/B] Look I might look like a tin-foil hat craze fool but I never called any theory nor opinion ever, dumb. My theory might be dumb and completely insane, but I believe it. I would have thought you would be atleast a bit of accepting to other people's idea instead of the old "Your opinion and ideas are wrong and stupid, mines are right." Idea. But ya just hatin' all hatin'. If you don't believe in my beliefs then hat is 100% fine with me, but don't go bashing on them. I mean, it's not like neither of us actually know shit to be honest, everyone, even the smartest people in the world don't know anything about the world, they only believe in things. One of the top rules of science: You can never prove anything, only find evidence of it.[/QUOTE] Hm, yes. I am jealous you managed to spew completely baseless shit out there for no particular reason. And I like how you contradict yourself by saying evolution is impossible then saying that you believe in the next line.

[QUOTE=Meatpuppet;27800292]Well yeah, so evolution isn't a fact. And gravity doesn't function well on extremely small objects, that's why it's a theory. I guess I have to way to tell these people the earth is more than 6k years old =\ [editline]1st February 2011[/editline] no way*[/QUOTE] It's not that gravity "doesn't function" on extremely small objects, it's just that with objects those sizes, other electrostatic forces are stronger than gravity. [editline]1st February 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Makarov;27802861]No opinion nor theory is dumb. You are clearly jelly that I found out the meaning of everything and catnuggets in one post(jooke). Look I might look like a tin-foil hat craze fool but I never called any theory nor opinion ever, dumb. My theory might be dumb and completely insane, but I believe it. I would have thought you would be atleast a bit of accepting to other people's idea instead of the old "Your opinion and ideas are wrong and stupid, mines are right." Idea. But ya just hatin' all hatin'. If you don't believe in my beliefs then hat is 100% fine with me, but don't go bashing on them. I mean, it's not like neither of us actually know shit to be honest, everyone, even the smartest people in the world don't know anything about the world, they only believe in things. One of the top rules of science: You can never prove anything, only find evidence of it.[/QUOTE] I can't prove you're an idiot, but in two short posts, I've found a lot of evidence for it.

[QUOTE=Makarov;27802861]No opinion nor theory is dumb. You are clearly jelly that I found out the meaning of everything and catnuggets in one post(jooke). Look I might look like a tin-foil hat craze fool but I never called any theory nor opinion ever, dumb[/QUOTE] There are no dumb theories. only a dumb hypothesis.

[QUOTE=Foxcow;27732718]My school bribes you to go to an after school "club" called Bible Club with pizza.[/QUOTE] Holy crap, so does mine. One of my friends is in it, luckily he isn't one of those Christians that carry bible in the back pocket, same goes for my Mormon friend.

[QUOTE=Meatpuppet;27801531]no it doesn't. I'm talking EXTREMELY small objects, where gravity does not on those objects.[/QUOTE] [citation needed] The closest thing I can think of to what you are talking about is that they were looking for violations of the inverse square law over sub-millimeter distances as a possible way to detect extra dimensions but that doesn't have anything to do with the size of the object and as far as I am aware they haven't found anything. [editline]1st February 2011[/editline] I mean, gravity affects PHOTONS for fuck's sakes. They have no mass whatsoever. It doesn't get smaller than having no mass.

You are all haters! Obviously BEYOND THE PHYSICAL SENSE THERE ARE LIFE! I mean like seriously guys ya all just mcnabbin' on me son.

[QUOTE=Makarov;27819798]You are all haters! Obviously BEYOND THE PHYSICAL SENSE THERE ARE LIFE! I mean like seriously guys ya all just mcnabbin' on me son.[/QUOTE] ... [i]Sir? Are you Gamzee Makara?[/i] [URL=http://img88.imageshack.us/i/gamzeemakara.png/][IMG]http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/4880/gamzeemakara.png[/IMG][/URL]

[QUOTE=Makarov;27819798]You are all haters! Obviously BEYOND THE PHYSICAL SENSE THERE ARE LIFE! I mean like seriously guys [highlight]ya all just mcnabbin' on me son[/highlight].[/QUOTE] stop posting

[QUOTE=Last or First;27819880]... [i]Sir? Are you Gamzee Makara?[/i] [URL=http://img88.imageshack.us/i/gamzeemakara.png/][img_thumb]http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/4880/gamzeemakara.png[/img_thumb][/URL][/QUOTE] No that would be me [editline]2nd February 2011[/editline] MoThErFuCkEr

[QUOTE=Makarov;27802861]No opinion nor theory is dumb. You are clearly jelly that I found out the meaning of everything and catnuggets in one post(jooke). Look I might look like a tin-foil hat craze fool but I never called any theory nor opinion ever, dumb. My theory might be dumb and completely insane, but I believe it. I would have thought you would be atleast a bit of accepting to other people's idea instead of the old "Your opinion and ideas are wrong and stupid, mines are right." Idea. But ya just hatin' all hatin'. If you don't believe in my beliefs then hat is 100% fine with me, but don't go bashing on them. I mean, it's not like neither of us actually know shit to be honest, everyone, even the smartest people in the world don't know anything about the world, they only believe in things. One of the top rules of science: You can never prove anything, only find evidence of it.[/QUOTE] You fool. Yes, as you get up into the higher eschalance of education and critical thinking you realize that there is no such thing as absolute truth. However, this does not mean that nothing is real and we're all free to formulate opinions on whatever we want however we want and expect them to be equal, like you. Evidence may never 100% "prove" anything, but it lends credibility. You can't assert your opinion as "equal and don't judge you jellies" without backing it up.

[QUOTE=Bobv2;27823295]You fool. Yes, as you get up into the higher eschalance of education and critical thinking you realize that there is no such thing as absolute truth. However, this does not mean that nothing is real and we're all free to formulate opinions on whatever we want however we want and expect them to be equal, like you. Evidence may never 100% "prove" anything, but it lends credibility. You can't assert your opinion as "equal and don't judge you jellies" without backing it up.[/QUOTE] Damn all that perfect grammar and big words hurt my brain dawg why yo gotta be beefing with me, ya all gonig HAM n shit. [highlight](User was permabanned for this post ("Alt of permabanned user" - Orkel))[/highlight]

My friend took a class that focused on the flaws in the theory of evolution like about the major gaps and flaws in carbon, phosphorous and other kinds of chemical dating techniques scientists use to date rocks. (this sounds very Fox-newsy I know but this guy wasn't a nut job and my friend isn't the type to lie about something like this) I asked him for the class information so I can do some studying for myself. I particularly believe that both should be open for teaching. There will always be people who believe in creationism (no matter how much you others may think it is "retarded") so why not give them the same chance evolution got when it finally was allowed to be taught in public schools? I think its only fair. If you read Inherit the Wind, some of the dialogue was changed for dramatic purposes but I believe there were arguments that may have been similar to the part where Drummond says if theres a "Read your Bible" sign above the courthouse, he wants a "Read your Darwin" sign which is just as big and right next to it. This is America we are talking about right? The country where everybody is free to believe what they want? If you teach only creationism or evolution in a classroom, then that student will most likely follow what they were taught the most about. If this was a perfect world with no biased people, this idea of "equally teaching each theory" would work but sadly, it doesn't. I know the intolerant religious people in the deep south back in the 1920s wasn't fair to people who believe in evolution but come on, that's the past. Nobody is alive from back then so don't keep grudges you never had to experience yourself. I'm for equal teaching of any theory that comes into the public eye. Its fair for everybody. And if our teachers can't do it perfectly, then what are you going to do? Everybody is biased to some extent.

[QUOTE=Mr. Sun;27859898]My friend took a class that focused on the flaws in the theory of evolution like about the major gaps and flaws in carbon, phosphorous and other kinds of chemical dating techniques scientists use to date rocks. (this sounds very Fox-newsy I know but this guy wasn't a nut job and my friend isn't the type to lie about something like this) I asked him for the class information so I can do some studying for myself. I particularly believe that both should be open for teaching. There will always be people who believe in creationism (no matter how much you others may think it is "retarded") so why not give them the same chance evolution got when it finally was allowed to be taught in public schools? I think its only fair. If you read Inherit the Wind, some of the dialogue was changed for dramatic purposes but I believe there were arguments that may have been similar to the part where Drummond says if theres a "Read your Bible" sign above the courthouse, he wants a "Read your Darwin" sign which is just as big and right next to it.[/quote] While we're at it, why not teach alchemy in chemistry class and magic in physics? The answer is that one (evolution) is scientifically valid, while the other (creationism/intelligent design) is unscientific and untestable. [quote]This is America we are talking about right? The country where everybody is free to believe what they want? If you teach only creationism or evolution in a classroom, then that student will most likely follow what they were taught the most about. If this was a perfect world with no biased people, this idea of "equally teaching each theory" would work but sadly, it doesn't. I know the intolerant religious people in the deep south back in the 1920s wasn't fair to people who believe in evolution but come on, that's the past. Nobody is alive from back then so don't keep grudges you never had to experience yourself.[/quote] Free to believe in whatever they want, but that doesn't mean that we should teach it in school. Shouldn't we stick to teaching [b]science[/b] in science class? [quote]I'm for equal teaching of any theory that comes into the public eye. Its fair for everybody. And if our teachers can't do it perfectly, then what are you going to do? Everybody is biased to some extent.[/QUOTE] That's nice. I'm for equal teaching of any theory that is [b]accepted by vast majority the scientific community and supported by heaps of evidence[/b].