[QUOTE=Whatwhat1337;28897850]Or, if you're an atheist: all the more reason to make their remaining time on earth all the more painful.[/QUOTE]
no i don't really care
maybe it makes me a prick but i could care less if "vengeance" was taken out on anything
it doesn't change anything
being an atheist makes me value life more
These posts is going off of the topic of a poor little girl that has more or less had her life ruined by a bunch of fucking sociopaths, to the discussion of whether or not the death penalty is a viable punishment for these lunatics.
When clearly the only punishment would be an eye-for-an-eye type of punishment.
[B]BREAK OUT THE ELEPHANT COCKS[/B]
[QUOTE=Whatwhat1337;28897850]Depends on the state. In Texas or Virginia, it would save money over life w/o parole. In California, it would cheaper to give them life.
That said, if I were the father of that girl, I would negate the need for any taxpayer money to be spent on those fuckstains.
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Yep. My aunt got gang raped like this when she was about that age. She's been depressed, at some points locked up in a mental hospital for being suicidal, eating disorders, et cetera, for the past 40 odd years because of that.
Now, my dad was molested when he was in elementary school by a cousin (I think) of his, he was depressed all of his life and turned to drugs and alcohol, and eventually ended up [b]dying[/b] of a drug overdose. I would love for the opportunity to have a few... words... with that motherfucking son of a bitch who did that to my old man.
[editline]30th March 2011[/editline]
Why do you have more sympathy for these fucks than you do for the girl? She may as well be dead. These assholes KNEW what the consequences of their crime were, they knew why it was wrong, they chose to flagrantly disregard the laws that society has set and willfully attempted to destroy the life of a little girl in the most repulsive way possible. They ASKED for the death penalty when they decided to do what they did. Being executed in the good ol' California gas chamber is nothing compared to the just vengeance that God will reap upon their souls. Or, if you're an atheist: all the more reason to make their remaining time on earth all the more painful.[/QUOTE]
Justice is about harmony. Revenge is about making yourself feel better.
Don't make me pull out more Batman Begins quotes because I will.
[editline]30th March 2011[/editline]
If we're all bloodthirsty killers, the law is just an arbitrary line with murderers on either side.
[editline]30th March 2011[/editline]
Or rapists on one side, and murderers on the other. You get the point.
I do love the attitude of "no we can't kill them that makes us no better" proceeded by "they should just be anally raped for their entire lives while they rot in prison"
[QUOTE=Last or First;28894172]I don't think intelligence will affect mental and emotional trauma.
And I don't think you can turn out [i]stronger[/i] from rape.[/QUOTE]
Oh and I don't expect to.. not over night or anything.
But what happened cannot quite be undone so the only option for her is to grow with it, and that like all the other, its some experience.
Shit still sucks majorly.
Moreno fucking Valley??
Oh great, this happened within ten miles of me. Fucking classy...
Rapist 1: Hey man ive never fucked a girl. Wanna fuck that 11 year old over there?
Rapist 2: Nah man she is to young bro
Rapist 3: Sure. It would be like fucking a teen
Rapist 2: WHAT THE FUCK MAN
Rapist 4: Im down with raping that chick
Rapist 2: Fine. If were gonna rape a kid then looks like we will have to do it
Rest Of Rapists: Ok
I can imagine this being the convo before raping the poor girl.
[QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;28902175]Justice is about harmony. Revenge is about making yourself feel better.
Don't make me pull out more Batman Begins quotes because I will.
[editline]30th March 2011[/editline]
If we're all bloodthirsty killers, the law is just an arbitrary line with murderers on either side.
[editline]30th March 2011[/editline]
Or rapists on one side, and murderers on the other. You get the point.[/QUOTE]
So what if there are "murderers" on both side of the law? Outside of the law being the actual psycho murderers, of course. the bad.
No matter what kinda laws, there will always be the outlaws!
And killing can happen in a so many different way, so it's stupid to call it all just simply murdering.
Also, revenge [b]is[/b] sweet.
[QUOTE=BigBeretFrenchi;28903495]Rapist 1: Hey man ive never fucked a girl. Wanna fuck that 11 year old over there?
Rapist 2: Nah man she is to young bro
Rapist 3: Sure. It would be like fucking a teen
Rapist 2: WHAT THE FUCK MAN
Rapist 4: Im down with raping that chick
Rapist 2: Fine. If were gonna rape a kid then looks like we will have to do it
Rest Of Rapists: Ok
I can imagine this being the convo before raping the poor girl.[/QUOTE]
I'm guessing it just started with one guy and the others joined him when they saw that he had the situation under control. It doesn't seem likely that 8 people would plan this sort of thing together ahead of time.
[QUOTE=Aredbomb;28903717]I'm guessing it just started with one guy and the others joined him when they saw that he had the situation under control. It doesn't seem likely that 8 people would plan this sort of thing together ahead of time.[/QUOTE]
Uhh yeah they would, and they probably did. That's the entire point of why they raped an 11 year old in the first place.
[QUOTE=Gekkosan;28903528]So what if there are "murderers" on both side of the law? Outside of the law being the actual psycho murderers, of course. the bad.
No matter what kinda laws, there will always be the outlaws![/QUOTE]
Killing is bad, except when we do it! We're the good killers! They're the bad killers!
[QUOTE=Gekkosan;28903528]And killing can happen in a so many different way, so it's stupid to call it all just simply murdering.[/QUOTE]
No it's not? The only real time killing can be justified is in immediate self-defense, and even then it should only be done if you can't save yourself without taking it that far.
[QUOTE=Gekkosan;28903528]Also, revenge [b]is[/b] sweet.[/QUOTE]
That's great. Let's build an ethical system around what we think is fun. Fuck morality, if it feels good, do it!
I don't want to pay for these sick people to live out their lives in a prison.
Stick them in a cell and let them die of dehydration.
[editline]30th March 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;28903817]Killing is bad, except when we do it! We're the good killers! They're the bad killers!
No it's not? The only real time killing can be justified is in immediate self-defense, and even then it should only be done if you can't save yourself without taking it that far.
That's great. Let's build an ethical system around what we think is fun. Fuck morality, if it feels good, do it![/QUOTE]
I agree. We'll have the most efficient "judicial" system on the planet
[QUOTE=Shooter;28903893]I don't want to pay for these sick people to live out their lives in a prison.
Stick them in a cell and let them die of dehydration.
[editline]30th March 2011[/editline]
I agree. We'll have the most efficient "judicial" system on the planet[/QUOTE]
You're right we should gauge what's right by what's efficient. Back to slave labor, then!
good thing most of the people in prison go by a code to "never harm kids".
these guys will be reemed instantly, and most likely killed withinn months
That poor girl :saddowns: I seriously hope for the best that could come out of this. I seriously want to know what compelled these guys to do this.
I still advocate that we make them insane.
[QUOTE=TheWhiteFox1;28903973]That poor girl :saddowns: I seriously hope for the best that could come out of this. I seriously want to know what compelled these guys to do this.[/QUOTE]
Lust, I imagine.
[QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;28903995]Lust, I imagine.[/QUOTE] I'm so horny right now, I'ma go fuck an 11 year old with a couple of my bros.
[editline]30th March 2011[/editline]
Actually, I wouldn't be surprised if that was their thought at the time.
[QUOTE=The Spie;28886505][media]http://www.torturamuseum.com/images/garrotte2.jpg[/media][/QUOTE]
I don't get how that works
[QUOTE=theevilldeadII;28904108]I don't get how that works[/QUOTE]
The executioner slowly turns a crank behind the inmate until their neck breaks.
[QUOTE=theevilldeadII;28904108]I don't get how that works[/QUOTE]
The person sits down on the seat, and the strap is put over their neck. The thing on the back is twisted, and that's all I can remember because then James Bond escaped from it and killed the bad guy.
I'd hate to be the defense attorney for these chucklefucks.
[QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;28903817]Killing is bad, except when we do it! We're the good killers! They're the bad killers!
No it's not? The only real time killing can be justified is in immediate self-defense, and even then it should only be done if you can't save yourself without taking it that far.
That's great. Let's build an ethical system around what we think is fun. Fuck morality, if it feels good, do it![/QUOTE]
Yeah, you agree on anything I say except you take it to a state where you make it sound obviously stupid, when that's not the case.
Agree on the immediate self-defense, and also yeah, we're the good killers and they're the bad killers.
That's right. Fuck morality you say? Morality has been hopping from good to bad (to ugly) all the time, but you just want to cut the [b]real bad[/b] some slack, for what?
To witness someone else doing the same horrible crime, and lock him up with his own kind? Of which not all deserves the death penalty straight off the bat, but some prove themselves worthy of that alright.
My point being, some ideal true justice, would imo include the death penalty, as a sign of zero tolerance for the most inhumane individuals. If you don't see it, then there is no way I can phrase it any better for you.
[QUOTE=Disgruntled;28904468]I'd hate to be the defense attorney for these chucklefucks.[/QUOTE]
Defense attorneys are very good at what they do. They have to be prepared to defend [b]a lot[/b] of things.
[QUOTE=Gekkosan;28904630]My point being, some ideal true justice, would imo include the death penalty,[/QUOTE]
Killing is [b]never[/b] the "ideal" solution.
Unless we're talking about spiders because those motherfuckers deserve to burn. Also bees.
I can understand completely why one would be against the death penalty, but simplifying the opposition to, 'You're just as bad! You're a murderer!' is silly.
A man who kills 5 children is worse than a man who kills a serial-murderer. You can certainly claim both are awful, but one is distinctly worse than the other.
You'll never win a debate if you don't at least try to understand where the opposition is coming from.
[QUOTE=BlueChihuahua;28905343]one is distinctly worse than the other.[/QUOTE]
How many did the serial killer murder?
And how old are the children?
[QUOTE=Paramud;28905561]How many did the serial killer murder?
And how old are the children?[/QUOTE]
I think you're missing my point.
You won't win anybody over with that condescending attitude. Why are you even arguing?
[QUOTE=BlueChihuahua;28905343]
You'll never win a debate if you don't at least try to understand where the opposition is coming from.[/QUOTE]
You'll also never win a debate if your argument is based on subjective bullshit like how "bad" a murderer is.
[QUOTE=BlueChihuahua;28905598]I think you're missing my point.[/QUOTE]
And you're avoiding mine.
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