[QUOTE=Gekkosan;28904630]Yeah, you agree on anything I say except you take it to a state where you make it sound obviously stupid, when that's not the case.[/QUOTE]
It already sounded obviously stupid.
[QUOTE=Gekkosan;28904630]Agree on the immediate self-defense, and also yeah, we're the good killers and they're the bad killers.
That's right. Fuck morality you say? Morality has been hopping from good to bad (to ugly) all the time, but you just want to cut the [b]real bad[/b] some slack, for what?[/QUOTE]
Letting someone live is not cutting them slack. The right to life is the most fundamental right anyone has.
[QUOTE=Gekkosan;28904630]To witness someone else doing the same horrible crime, and lock him up with his own kind? Of which not all deserves the death penalty straight off the bat, but some prove themselves worthy of that alright.[/QUOTE]
What?
[QUOTE=Gekkosan;28904630]My point being, some ideal true justice, would imo include the death penalty, as a sign of zero tolerance for the most inhumane individuals. If you don't see it, then there is no way I can phrase it any better for you.[/QUOTE]
I don't see it because there's no argument here. Not tolerating killing is one thing. Not tolerating someone being alive is another. You can stop someone from killing others without killing them. Going further than you need to is just revenge and it lowers you to their level. It's acting out of rage and not reason.
Some people are just fucking sick in the head.
[QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;28905714]It already sounded obviously stupid.
Letting someone live is not cutting them slack. The right to life is the most fundamental right anyone has.
What?
I don't see it because there's no argument here. Not tolerating killing is one thing. Not tolerating someone being alive is another. You can stop someone from killing others without killing them. Going further than you need to is just revenge and it lowers you to their level. It's acting out of rage and not reason.[/QUOTE]
Let it go, Johnny, that guys retarded.
[quote=what]The oldest of the alleged attackers is [b]Michael Sykes[/b], 19, who was arrested Monday following a two-week manhunt. He is charged with rape, sodomy and assault of a minor.[/quote]
[img]http://img212.imageshack.us/img212/4904/crysisd200711022051232oy2.jpg[/img]
[QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;28892837][B]Implying lives have relative value[/B][/QUOTE]
Explain why not.
[editline]31st March 2011[/editline]
see if you wanna play your logic game than you are already a hypocrite for having murdered insects.
You fucking murderer.
[QUOTE=Motherfucker;28910035]Explain why not.[/QUOTE]
burden of proof is on you
explain how they do
If lives have 'equal value' even after someone decides in their lifetime to gangrape an 11 year old girl than we're justified to lock up anyone we see on the streets because [I]we're all so equal[/I]
because [I]clearly[/I] their actions do nothing to diminish their 'value of life'.
[editline]31st March 2011[/editline]
[img]http://i.imgur.com/CSV2D.jpg[/img]
[QUOTE=Motherfucker;28910298]If lives have 'equal value' even after someone decides in their lifetime to gangrape an 11 year old girl than we're justified to lock up anyone we see on the streets because [I]we're all so equal[/I]
because [I]clearly[/I] their actions do nothing to diminish their 'value of life'.
[editline]31st March 2011[/editline]
[img_thumb]http://i.imgur.com/CSV2D.jpg[/img_thumb][/QUOTE]
You are either trolling or... I don't even know.
[editline]31st March 2011[/editline]
I feel nothing but pity for you.
[QUOTE=Motherfucker;28910298]If lives have 'equal value' even after someone decides in their lifetime to gangrape an 11 year old girl than we're justified to lock up anyone we see on the streets because [I]we're all so equal[/I][/QUOTE]
You're looking at this the wrong way.
It isn't that every life is evil because the value of life is equal, it's that every life is sacred because the value of life is equal.
If you're on that helicopter, and there's a murderer on the building, and you can save him, you'd be just as bad for leaving him on the building to die.
Your analogy is flawed though since all rescue helicopters are easily capable of carrying more than 5 people.
[QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;28880859]Yes, incidentally I'm more mortified about that than I am the rape.
"It's no longer profitable to keep this man alive, so let's kill him," is a terrifying thought.[/QUOTE]
It's 'cos people have this ass-backwards hunger for revenge. Have you guys considered that a mentally healthy human being might not commit crimes like this & rehabilitation is a better choice than execution?
People who commit heinous crimes are almost universally motivated by child-abuse or mental illness. People motivated by child abuse or mental illness aren't likely swayed by life-sentences in prison or death sentences (not that I'm saying that to be the ONLY reason prison/death sentences shouldn't exist as a remedy for crime... they're completely inhumane)
[QUOTE=Xolo;28914719]It's 'cos people have this ass-backwards hunger for revenge. Have you guys considered that a mentally healthy human being might not commit crimes like this & rehabilitation is a better choice than execution?
People who commit heinous crimes are almost universally motivated by child-abuse or mental illness. People motivated by child abuse or mental illness aren't swayed by life-sentences in prison or death sentences.[/QUOTE]
Mental illness? Try to cure them? Fuck that, execute all retards. People demand BLOOD
[QUOTE=johan_sm;28914840]Mental illness? Try to cure them? Fuck that, execute all retards. People demand BLOOD[/QUOTE]
Purge the unclean! Rid the world of the less-worthy! :downs:
[QUOTE=Xolo;28914863]Purge the unclean! Rid the world of the less-worthy! :downs:[/QUOTE]
Wait a minute, I've heard that before.
[QUOTE=johan_sm;28914911]Wait a minute, I've heard that before.[/QUOTE]
Didn't Yoda say that before assaulting the death star?
[QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;28911931]You are either trolling or... I don't even know.
[editline]31st March 2011[/editline]
I feel nothing but pity for you.[/QUOTE]
Nice rebuttal Bill O'reily. looks like you can't defend your opinion because it's wrong.
[QUOTE=Motherfucker;28924181]Nice rebuttal Bill O'reily. looks like you can't defend your opinion because it's wrong.[/QUOTE]
You didn't even make a point in counter to my arguments. You made the most absurdly outlandish strawman I've ever seen. I can't rebut something that's not a real argument.
[editline]1st April 2011[/editline]
I don't have to rebut it because you didn't rebut any of my points. You pretended I made different ones.
[editline]1st April 2011[/editline]
(In case you are having a difficult time understanding, "lives are of equal value" =/= "people are interchangeable." Nice try. (But not actually a nice try!))
[editline]1st April 2011[/editline]
I also find it hilarious that I'm arguing a really liberal point and you called me Bill O'Reilly. That is fucking hysterical.
[QUOTE=Xolo;28914719]It's 'cos people have this ass-backwards hunger for revenge. Have you guys considered that a mentally healthy human being might not commit crimes like this & rehabilitation is a better choice than execution?
People who commit heinous crimes are almost universally motivated by child-abuse or mental illness. People motivated by child abuse or mental illness aren't likely swayed by life-sentences in prison or death sentences (not that I'm saying that to be the ONLY reason prison/death sentences shouldn't exist as a remedy for crime... they're completely inhumane)[/QUOTE]
That's too reasonable.
[QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;28924247][B]I also find it hilarious that I'm arguing a really liberal point and you called me Bill O'Reilly. That is fucking hysterical.[/B][/QUOTE]
For a given value of arguing :colbert:
You're not even arguing you're just flaming in a condescending way.
Trolling a moderator.
[b][i]Brilliant[/b][/i]
[QUOTE=Motherfucker;28926512]For a given value of arguing :colbert:
You're not even arguing you're just flaming in a condescending way.[/QUOTE]
He's simply saying that a murderer is still a person, and thus has a right to life. You twisted that to be "Since all murderers are still equal to 'actual' people, then all people are the same and thus should all be locked up", which is fucking ridiculous. That's not what he said or implied at all.
[QUOTE=Motherfucker;28926512]For a given value of arguing :colbert:
You're not even arguing you're just flaming in a condescending way.[/QUOTE]
Not flaming: It's the same as flaming!
I also find it interesting that you claim I'm not arguing. It would certainly seem that was if you had only quoted one line of that post I just made.
[QUOTE=Megafanx13;28928263]He's simply saying that a murderer is still a person, and thus has a right to life. You twisted that to be "Since all murderers are still equal to 'actual' people, then all people are the same and thus should all be locked up", which is fucking ridiculous. That's not what he said or implied at all.[/QUOTE]
So if murderers have a right to life. what about their victims.
[editline]1st April 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;28930045]Not flaming: It's the same as flaming!
I also find it interesting that you claim I'm not arguing. It would certainly seem that was if you had only quoted one line of that post I just made.[/QUOTE]
the rest was too retarded to be considered serious.
[QUOTE=Motherfucker;28930055]So if murderers have a right to life. what about their victims.[/QUOTE]
are you retarded
[QUOTE=Motherfucker;28930055]the rest was too retarded to be considered serious.[/QUOTE]
You should join your local debate team just so all the others in the area can have some easy wins.
[QUOTE=Motherfucker;28930055]So if murderers have a right to life. what about their victims.[/QUOTE]
There is no way you are serious
Don't kill them, cut their junk off and throw them in jail.
They'll be raped out of their minds.
This is one of those times where I sit back and say. "Fuck people..."
[editline]1st April 2011[/editline]
(no pun intended)
That's fucking disgusting.
[QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;28924247]You didn't even make a point in counter to my arguments. You made the most absurdly outlandish strawman I've ever seen. I can't rebut something that's not a real argument.
[editline]1st April 2011[/editline]
I don't have to rebut it because you didn't rebut any of my points. You pretended I made different ones.
[editline]1st April 2011[/editline]
(In case you are having a difficult time understanding, "lives are of equal value" =/= "people are interchangeable." Nice try. (But not actually a nice try!))
[editline]1st April 2011[/editline]
I also find it hilarious that I'm arguing a really liberal point and you called me Bill O'Reilly. That is fucking hysterical.[/QUOTE]
Believe all you want in the "every life is worth the same" bullshit and that no one deserves to be put to death no matter what trouble and suffering they cause.
but in the end you and I both know very well people will never be quite equal, and most likely brutal assaults and killings will occur forever. with or without punishment, that in some cases should be death. a punishment, not a revenge per se.
they (offenders of serious sort) will end up in prison. in prison they will either die or spend their rest life in there, OR they might actually get free, and whether they will learn "their mistake" or get right back in, depends solely on the inmate. Maybe some other crime/gang related shit, who knows.
during this time, many other killings already happened, more people getting shipped to prison, more getting out, more getting killed, more this and that.
Shit don't come in different flavors, shit is just shit. you just want to give these shits more chances until they are locked up in solitary, then you call yourself the one with true morals.
[QUOTE=Gekkosan;28940514]but in the end you and I both know[/quote]
Oh, good one. Come off strong. That'll pay off for you being completely wrong.
I tried to read through the rest of your post to try and find a point to argue with, but I honestly couldn't find a single one.
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