Britain's Cameron seeks ban on high-powered semi-automatic weapons - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Morbo!!!;49311264]I was wondering why the law states that semi-autos are only legal if the bullet diameter is below 5.6mm, yet ARs are in 5.56. As it turns out, the diameter of the 5.56 bullet is actually 5.7mm, which just doesn't make sense to me[/QUOTE] I've never heard of that. I'm not as educated in the actual specifics of the laws as I probably should be, but I've always been told that weapons firing centrefire cartridges like 5.56, 7.62, .303, etc can't be semi-automatic, and have to be bolt-action, pump-action, lever-action, straight-pull bolt-action, anything but semi-auto. I thought .22s were the only semi-autos you could get at all for the longest time, but that's clearly not the case as now I go clay shooting regularly with a semi-automatic shotgun.

[QUOTE=bdd458;49311212]Aren't there already people scared of the EU becoming more like the US (as in a federal union of States, not just an economic union), isn't this only going to fuel that sentiment more?[/QUOTE] iunno about you but i'd like to see the European Union centralize into a more powerful state

Why is it that it's only in gun debates that both sides get incredibly worked up and call each other names?

As an example of how dumb and off-base British firearms laws are, you can own black powder weaponry with no regulation, as well as the bullets for them, but if you [I]shoot[/I] them, you're going to jail. How does this stop someone from shooting someone else? Murder was already illegal. All it does is illegalize target shooting for the average Joe. And you are really going to nod and smile and think "yep this is stopping crime. The entire world needs this"??

[QUOTE=Headhumpy;49311336]Why is it that it's only in gun debates that both sides get incredibly worked up and call each other names?[/QUOTE] because at the end of the day nobody's going to move an inch, and the side issues such as "mental health" or "better background checks" never materialize after these events and we're just not going to do anything until another one happens

[QUOTE=Grenadiac;49311457]As an example of how dumb and off-base British firearms laws are, you can own black powder weaponry with no regulation, as well as the bullets for them, but if you [I]shoot[/I] them, you're going to jail. How does this stop someone from shooting someone else? All it does is illegalize target shooting for the average Joe. And you are really going to nod and smile and think "yep this is stopping crime. The entire world needs this"??[/QUOTE] Most of Britain will be apathetic to this, as always. Naughty people will continue to get their guns illegally and will continue to do illegal things with them, the government and police will continue to look in the wrong places too. Fun Fact, similarly to what you said about black powder weaponry, you can own cannabis plant seeds without any legal repercussion and can purchase them legally, but growing them will result in your arrest.

[QUOTE=.Lain;49311097]no, you can get semi ARs in the UK with a straight pull [/QUOTE] That makes them single shot, not semi.

[QUOTE=Morbo!!!;49311264]I was wondering why the law states that semi-autos are only legal if the bullet diameter is below 5.6mm, yet ARs are in 5.56. As it turns out, the diameter of the 5.56 bullet is actually 5.7mm, which just doesn't make sense to me[/QUOTE] I thought the law specifically banned semi-automatic centrefire rifles, hence why semi-auto shotguns and .22s are legal, since neither are a centrefire rifle. Either way, nearly every country in Europe has a lower homicide and lower crime rate than the UK despite these guns being legal in, well, literally everywhere in Europe but the UK. Considering the guns used in the Paris attacks were fully-automatic anyway, highly illegal nearly everywhere in Europe, this regulation wouldn't have stopped it. I fully expect Belgium, Italy, Portugal, and the Czech Republic to tell the EU to pound sand, several Balkan states likely will too, and if France or Germany care about their exports of these kinds of guns to EU countries, Canada, the US, and New Zealand, they'll hold off on it too.

[QUOTE=Morbo!!!;49311264]I was wondering why the law states that semi-autos are only legal if the bullet diameter is below 5.6mm, yet ARs are in 5.56. As it turns out, the diameter of the 5.56 bullet is actually 5.7mm, which just doesn't make sense to me[/QUOTE] 7.62x39 is actually 7.92mm, 7.62 Nato is actually 7.85mm, the reason is in Europe they designate rounds by barrel diameter excluding rifling.

[QUOTE=DaCommie1;49311481] Either way, nearly every country in Europe has a lower homicide and lower crime rate than the UK despite these guns being legal in, well, literally everywhere in Europe but the UK. Considering the guns used in the Paris attacks were fully-automatic anyway, highly illegal nearly everywhere in Europe, this regulation wouldn't have stopped it. [/QUOTE]Fucking this

[QUOTE=Morbo!!!;49311553]Fucking this[/QUOTE] Well per se functional automatics are legal to own in Belgium, just illegal to shoot.

[QUOTE=Sobotnik;49311328]iunno about you but i'd like to see the European Union centralize into a more powerful state[/QUOTE] I don't want to live in the same state as smelly British people.

[QUOTE=TheDestroyerOfall;49310912][url]http://www.dw.com/en/britains-cameron-seeks-ban-on-high-powered-semi-automatic-weapons/a-18914885[/url][/QUOTE] In an effort to curb terrorism? You think that fucking terrorists care about the law?

[QUOTE=Broseph_;49311551]That makes them single shot, not semi.[/QUOTE] i know, i corrected myself. may as well be just as useful in any case the government is thinking about here however

[QUOTE=Sableye;49311216]wait so he's a euroskeptic who opposes EU regulations that infringe on british sovernty, but he wants to use the EU to impose british gun laws on everybody else?[/QUOTE] Hes a fucking idiot And i have no idea why people voted conservative, Now we've got this twat for another term..

Cameron has no right telling us what to do. We are doing fine here we don't need his bullshit to harm our country too.

[QUOTE=ZakkShock;49311719]In an effort to curb terrorism? You think that fucking terrorists care about the law?[/QUOTE] They should just make terrorism illegal.

So, pretty bog-standard American here who is somewhat ignorant to foreign governments, can someone help me understand what actual authority the EU has over laws of individual countries? I find it very hard to believe some bellend in the UK can push a law thru what is essentially an overgrown trade union and somehow every nation within that union must abide by it despite being sovereign nations? If this passes, will it have any actual weight? Especially in nations with a fairly large population of recreational firearms users, such as Germany, Switzerland, Finland, and the Czech Republic? How would it be enforced? Surely the EU does not have a "no borders" police force, so do they just expect every nation's police to go "Oh well this is a thing now" and play along?

[QUOTE=.Lain;49311097]no, you can get semi ARs in the UK with a straight pull bolt i don't see the point in the ban. most firearm crimes commited in the UK are done with handguns, which are already completely illegal. Cameron talking out of his ass yet again. we need better regulation on shotgun licenses and handgun trade, not this shit that affects competition shooters only.[/QUOTe] They are also second to Air weapons, which are the only firearms in this country you can purchase without a license. The biggest contenders are the easily-available, non-regulated and legal air weapons, which does not back up your point.

[QUOTE=eurocracy;49312159]They are also second to Air weapons, which are the only firearms in this country you can purchase without a license. The biggest contenders are the easily-available, non-regulated and legal air weapons, which does not back up your point.[/QUOTE] It said "crimes committed with" not "people murdered" I'm going to go out on a limb and say that the crimes being committed with air guns are people buying realistic looking pistol air guns, cutting off the orange plastic tip, and robbing stores with them

[QUOTE=Snoberry Tea;49312088]So, pretty bog-standard American here who is somewhat ignorant to foreign governments, can someone help me understand what actual authority the EU has over laws of individual countries? I find it very hard to believe some bellend in the UK can push a law thru what is essentially an overgrown trade union and somehow every nation within that union must abide by it despite being sovereign nations? If this passes, will it have any actual weight? Especially in nations with a fairly large population of recreational firearms users, such as Germany, Switzerland, Finland, and the Czech Republic? How would it be enforced? Surely the EU does not have a "no borders" police force, so do they just expect every nation's police to go "Oh well this is a thing now" and play along?[/QUOTE] probably either trying to convince them all to go through with it willingly, or browbeating them with sanctions (it is a trade union after all)

[QUOTE=eurocracy;49312159]They are also second to Air weapons, which are the only firearms in this country you can purchase without a license. The biggest contenders are the easily-available, non-regulated and legal air weapons, which does not back up your point.[/QUOTE] Fun fact: You can purchase any weapon, anywhere in the world, without any licensing whatsoever. People looking to break the law are not going to follow the law telling them they can't own the thing they intend to break the law with. Do you believe licensing would've stopped the shooters in Paris? "Gee, we don't have a license for this AKM. Darn, foiled again!" I'm sorry to use those deaths in an argument like this but sooner or later you people have to look at the facts and quit doing the la-la-la thing. Additionally, airsoft guns are not firearms or weapons at all, they are toys.

[QUOTE=Grenadiac;49312687]Fun fact: You can purchase any weapon, anywhere in the world, without any licensing whatsoever. People looking to break the law are not going to follow the law telling them they can't own the thing they intend to break the law with. Do you believe licensing would've stopped the shooters in Paris? "Gee, we don't have a license for this AKM. Darn, foiled again!" I'm sorry to use those deaths in an argument like this but sooner or later you people have to look at the facts and quit doing the la-la-la thing. Additionally, airsoft guns are not firearms or weapons at all, they are toys.[/QUOTE] When a country like the united states has literally about 1 legal gun per person, the problem isnt the firearm itself, its the access to a firearm that a criminal has. In a country with 0.001 guns per person, a criminal is going to have a lot harder time than somewhere like the united states, with 1 gun per person. Either case, this is europe, besides their better mental health, they have many less guns per person resulting in less gun crime, and thats a statsical fact at this point in time. People from America, in any case, dont know whats best for europe, as its always been.

[QUOTE=Orkel;49311186]They ain't gonna take our Finnish guns, hunting especially with semi-auto shotguns is an absolutely massive deal here, and we have a very Murrica-like mentality of national defense being aided by guerrilla citizens in case our main army gets rolled over by Russia If the EU fucks up the Finnish gun scene, the backlash is going to be as immense as if guns were banned in America[/QUOTE] In Poland they too have developed a very strong tradition of national self defense during WWII in the form of local militias armed and ready to fight. Even though they are a member of NATO I don't see the Poles letting go of their firearms so easily if you look back at the rather recent history of WWII.

How about you brits solve your own problems before shoving them down others' throat? I don't know about the idiocy of english gun laws, but I'd love myself an M16 on my hunting license, even if it'd just be for shooting stuff in my garden or maybe once a year an actual deer.

[QUOTE=Grenadiac;49310984]Um, a lot of nations in the EU practice and enjoy their firearms freedoms. It's not OK for Britain to go around trying to force their wonderland laws on everyone else considering they never made a measurable impact on crime to begin with.[/QUOTE] Especially since licence and registration for owning such firearms is very strict in the first place. They are not stolen, because EU countries require them to be stored safely. They are not used for crime, since the police have databases on who own them, and where the firearm should be. This is going after something that is not really a problem.

Fuck off, Cameron. You're a bellend. It's not enough that Americans have to hear a bunch of misinformed nonsense, now the rest of us in Europe have to put up with it too?

Get fucked, Cameron. [editline]14th December 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=Sobotnik;49310991]Sounds like reasonable legislation for Europe.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Sobotnik;49311328]iunno about you but i'd like to see the European Union centralize into a more powerful state[/QUOTE] Please never get into a position of power.

[quote] all high-powered semi-automatic weapons [/quote] So he wants to ban battle rifles. I mean technically "high power" would be anti material cartridges, but we'll be generous here and say it can refer to full power rifle cartridges. Meanwhile AR-15 platform rifles would remain totally legal. They are intermediate power cartridges. That is literally one of their defining features. Assault rifles are assault rifles because they use intermediate power cartridges. The semi automatic AR-15 platform rifles are based off their assault rifle counterparts. If they used full power or "high power" cartridges, they would be battle rifles. At least get your fucking basic terminology right before you try to ban stuff.

[QUOTE=Bonde;49313198]In Poland they too have developed a very strong tradition of national self defense during WWII in the form of local militias armed and ready to fight. Even though they are a member of NATO I don't see the Poles letting go of their firearms so easily if you look back at the rather recent history of WWII.[/QUOTE] What? They have the lowest gun ownership rate across the whole of Europe, and some of the most strict laws, and self-defense gun permits are only issued if you can proof your life is in "constant, substantial and higher than average" danger.