Intercepted Calls Show Trump Campaign Aides Had Repeated Contacts With Russian Intelligence
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[QUOTE=Shadow801;51825619]He has just validated this article. Somebody take his phone away from him.[/QUOTE]
Trump defenders will just say "He didn't say that the Information is accurate!!!"
[QUOTE=Shadow801;51825619]He has just validated this article. Somebody take his phone away from him.[/QUOTE]
What a fucking moron lmao. I feel like the next few days are going to be juicy.
Very juicy indeed. Trump's Twitter has been blowing up this morning. Methinks the POTUS doth protest too much?
[media]https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/831830548565852160[/media]
There is an inherent hypocrisy in railing against the "mainstream media" while consuming a steady diet of Fox News. On an average day Fox has easily higher ratings than both CNN and MSNBC combined, making it the literal definition of mainstream.
Good to know our president is encouraging the same cycle of ignorance.
[media]https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/831853862281699331[/media]
No it fucking isn't, you lunatic. The real scandal is that you're a treasonous whore who sold out your country for personal gain.
[B]"The real scandal here is..." - every guilty politician ever[/B]
[I]Edited:[/I]
[media]https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/831846101179314177[/media]
Hold the fuck up what have we here? Do I detect the beginnings of a Trump pivot? Floating the idea of a tough-on-Russia stance with his audience? [url=http://foreignpolicy.com/2017/02/13/the-kremlin-is-starting-to-worry-about-trump/]Now where have I heard that before...[/url]
[quote][B]"The Russian government fears not only Trump’s downfall, of course, but also the possibility that he could opportunistically switch to a tough anti-Moscow line in order to make peace with hawkish Republican leaders in Congress."[/B][/quote]
[QUOTE=Potus;51825561][media]https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/831840306161123328[/media]
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Fucking lol the absolute madman.
[QUOTE=mcharest;51825895][Media]https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/831853862281699331[/media] [/quote]
how unamerican... lol
[editline]15th February 2017[/editline]
The fact that the intelligence community is the friend of the people right now when it comes to Trump is very sad but enemy of my enemy I suppose
So it's both a leak and fake news? I honestly wonder how the Republicans in Congress react to seeing this shit first thing in the morning
[QUOTE=mcharest;51825895][media]https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/831846101179314177[/media][/QUOTE]
You have got to be kidding me.
Trump ran his entire campaign on criticizing Obama and Hillary for being too hawkish about Russia. One of the cornerstones of the anti-Clinton movement was the ridiculous fear that she would start a nuclear war with Russia by continuing to defy their interests and obstruct their extranational military efforts. Over and over again, Trump said we need to make peace with Russia.
This was just [B]last month:[/B]
[quote]Having a good relationship with Russia is a good thing, not a bad thing. Only "stupid" people, or fools, would think that it is bad! We have enough problems around the world without yet another one. When I am President, Russia will respect us far more than they do now and both countries will, perhaps, work together to solve some of the many great and pressing problems and issues of the WORLD!
-Donald Trump, Jan 7, 2017[/quote]
[B]But now that the depth of Russia's influence on Trump and his administration is actually coming to light[/B], suddenly [I]"Obama was too weak on Russia!"[/I]
How can anybody stand behind such an unrepentant little weasel?
[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;51826142]You have got to be kidding me.
Trump ran his entire campaign on criticizing Obama and Hillary for being too hawkish about Russia. One of the cornerstones of the anti-Clinton movement was the ridiculous fear that she would start a nuclear war with Russia by continuing to defy their interests and obstruct their extranational military efforts.
[B]But now that the depth of Russia's influence on Trump and his administration is actually coming to light[/B], suddenly [I]"Obama was too weak on Russia!"[/I]
How can anybody stand behind such an unrepentant little weasel?[/QUOTE]
Most of his supporters have the attention span of 2 hours.
[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;51826142][B]But now that the depth of Russia's influence on Trump and his administration is actually coming to light[/B], suddenly [I]"Obama was too weak on Russia!"[/I]
How can anybody stand behind such an unrepentant little weasel?[/QUOTE]
It actually makes a lot of sense. Whenever Trump is about to pivot, he floats the idea (in this case a more hardline stance on Russia) to his audience to see what kind of reaction he gets. If he gets a favorable reaction, he goes ahead with the pivot.
Trump knows that the only people standing between him and a thorough bipartisan investigation into his Russia ties are the same Republican elites he criticized during his campaign. If he wants to make it through the next four years, he's going to have to cozy up to them a bit, which means holding Russia at a distance. But if he gives Russia too much cold shoulder, he risks outliving his usefulness to Putin. Not a pleasant position to be in, but he only has himself and his own greed to blame.
I fucking love how he's so scared that he just incriminated himself. His complete lack of self-control will be the sword he ultimately falls upon. How poetic.
[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;51826142]How can anybody stand behind such an unrepentant little weasel?[/QUOTE]
Because no one wants to have to admit how gullible they are.
[QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;51826333]Because no one wants to have to admit how gullible they are.[/QUOTE]
I talked to a Trump supporter about this and said something like "this is big, it could lead to his impeachment like watergate led to Nixon's resignation."
and they go
"oh come on that's stupid, they didn't impeach Obama for everything he did"
I would like to believe it's just them not wanting to admit how gullible they are, but I think this is the mindset of a lot of trump supporters. No matter what evidence is shown they just show an escalation of commitment.
[QUOTE=Chonch;51824314][t]http://paulryan.house.gov/uploadedphotos/highresolution/3f3943d8-cea4-4f6b-96ac-3c25fd3ef24e.jpg[/t][/QUOTE]
"I will not be running for president, lets just make that clear."
What he forgot to say was: "Because when Trump wins and inevitably does get impeached and his administration thrown out, I'll become president anyway."
[QUOTE=Ricenchicken;51826359]
"oh come on that's stupid, they didn't impeach Obama for everything he did"[/QUOTE]
This isn't just regular stupid. This is [I]advanced[/I] stupid.
i like how the republicans cant even save this trainwreck by taking away his twitter this time
Happening now:
Reporter: Mr. President, what are your thoughts on the Iran Nuclear Deal and Israeli settlements?
Trump: Mike Flynn was a great guy, treated very unfairly. Fake news. Democrats are cucks. Sad.
I seriously doubt he'll call on any network that's likely to question him about his campaign's ties to Russia.
[QUOTE=mcharest;51825895]
Hold the fuck up what have we here? Do I detect the beginnings of a Trump pivot? Floating the idea of a tough-on-Russia stance with his audience? [url=http://foreignpolicy.com/2017/02/13/the-kremlin-is-starting-to-worry-about-trump/]Now where have I heard that before...[/url][/QUOTE]
Holy shit it's actually happening.
[editline]15th February 2017[/editline]
[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;51826142]
How can anybody stand behind such an unrepentant little weasel?[/QUOTE]
Because people who support him only support [I]him[/I]. They have no principles or stances that remain fastened in one place. They simply pick up what Trump puts down. When Trump said he would remain neutral towards Irsrael and Palestine, his supporters praised him. We shouldn't be meddling. We have supported Israel with American treasure for too long. Then Trump remembers he is running as a Republican and practically throws himself at the feet of AIPAC, promising to be so much better than Obama. And his supporters did a total 180. Of course Trump would support Israel, America has always supported Israel.
You'll see it happen with Crimea and Russia now if Trump continues to follow this tactic. You won't see it on FP because they simply don't post anymore, but if you look elsewhere you will see the same people who said that we need to have a good relationship with Russia, consequences with Europe be damned, Clinton was only going to start literal nuclear war etc turn around and agree with Trump's hard stance. Obama didn't go far enough. Now Trump has to fix the problems of the previous administration.
Adding to this is the absolute mania that has overtaken them with regards to the press and now the intelligence community. They have long suspected the press (all of it that disagreed with their personal feelings) as attempting to instigate a coup against the president and now fears about the "shadow government" intelligence community working against Trump are becoming justified. They simply do not trust anyone who isn't Trump or a handpicked representative of Trump or who doesn't support the things Trump does. There is no middle ground with these people where you can disagree with the things Trump does and still be considered genuine or factual or some source of integrity. You are either on his side or you aren't, and if you are on his side you defend and support everything he does even if those things rapidly change in form and substance daily.
[QUOTE=Llamaguy;51827181][media]https://twitter.com/SenSanders/status/831883014934188037[/media][/QUOTE]
The Trump administration must immediately release the tape of Mike Flynn's conversations with the Russian ambassador. It's the only way to nip this stupid shit in the bud before it becomes the scandal these people believe it is.
[QUOTE=Chonch;51828052]The Trump administration must immediately release the tape of Mike Flynn's conversations with the Russian ambassador. It's the only way to nip this stupid shit in the bud before it becomes the scandal these people believe it is.[/QUOTE]
And the Paul Manafort conversations too, naturally.
[QUOTE=archangel125;51828087]And the Paul Manafort conversations too, naturally.[/QUOTE]
I'm not sure if we monitored Yanukovich's comms the same way we do the Russian ambassador's (Layksin or something). I'd certainly want to see that too but we can at least be 100% certain the NSA has a tape of Flynn's conversation.
[editline]15th February 2017[/editline]
Whatever it is, the administration needs to get out in front of this situation [I]today[/I] or it's gonna trample him tomorrow.
Is it me or is this not getting as much attention as it should
[QUOTE=Chonch;51828152]I'm not sure if we monitored Yanukovich's comms the same way we do the Russian ambassador's (Layksin or something).[/QUOTE]
While he was Yanuk's political advisor during the Ukrainian elections in, I believe 2010(?), he was also the campaign strategist for Trump until Bannon took over in mid 2016.
[QUOTE=Chonch;51828052]The Trump administration must immediately release the tape of Mike Flynn's conversations with the Russian ambassador. It's the only way to nip this stupid shit in the bud before it becomes the scandal these people believe it is.[/QUOTE]
Can we realistically think Trump doesn't purposely have ties or interests with Russia when he literally wrote this in the past:
[MEDIA]https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/347191326112112640[/MEDIA]
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;51825617]well if they're committing treason then it shouldn't really be surprising if they are?
trump being a traitor to the USA is something that might warrant some kind of investigation by the intelligence community[/QUOTE]
The point is they have to go through a process to investigate someone for suspected treason and get a court order etc. You can't just give a secretive government agency carte blanche to spy on whoever they deem, by their own definition, to be committing treason with no oversight or checks in place. It's dangerous.
[QUOTE=Shadow801;51825615]This doesn't count.
Consider it this way - if a terrorist contacts a citizen of the united states and they track that, do you consider that spying on a private citizen? It's the same concept. The NSA will be tracking known Russian intelligence officials, so they will see calls coming from US citizens.[/QUOTE]
So they were only tracking the Russians then? I don't know about that.
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