Meat And Masculinity: Men May Avoid Vegetarian Options Over Manly Perception Of Meat
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[QUOTE=Forumaster;36023321]I just find that most vegetables taste awful, especially broccoli and celery.
I like fruit though.[/QUOTE]
Broccoli is awesome!
So is chicken!
[QUOTE=yawmwen;36025474]Why the fuck are we not equal to lesser animals? Because we follow morality versus instincts, because we build civilization and unshackle ourselves from our primal needs. If you don't [i]need[/i] to eat meat, but do, then you are no better than the average animal.
[/QUOTE] You just named all the reasons we are better than animals. We do many things we don't need, like having fun, inventing stuff and many more. But if we wouldn't do things we like, we'd turn into animals who only fuck. We probably do need meat because without it you need to plan your diet a fucking lot with supplements and replacements and stuff. Plus meat is tasty, there is no reason to not eat tasty things.
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Or we could, you know, stop enjoying the suffering of other living creatures. I mean, everyone gets in an uproar when a cat is doused in gasoline and set on fire, yet you aren't concerned when an animal is put in prolonged suffering just because "it tastes good"?[/QUOTE]
That's flaw of capitalism. What am I supposed to do? Cry while I chew on my steak? That's not enjoyable.
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[QUOTE=zakedodead;36025483]I call bullshit on that, even if it was better people would still stick to real animal meat because they think it tastes better.[/QUOTE]
But if lump of meat was a viable option, there would be no commercial farms that have animals. You'd need to buy from a private breeder in which case animals are usually treated better but are more expensive. That's for nostalgic people who can't move on.
[QUOTE=AceOfDivine;36025512]You just named all the reasons we are better than animals. We do many things we don't need, like having fun, inventing stuff and many more. But if we wouldn't do things we like, we'd turn into animals who only fuck. We probably do need meat because without it you need to plan your diet a fucking lot with supplements and replacements and stuff. Plus meat is tasty, there is no reason to not eat tasty things. [/quote]
So what if human tastes tasty? There's no reason not to eat tasty things. What about Panda? I actually hear Panda is fucking delicious.
[quote]That's flaw of capitalism. What am I supposed to do? Cry while I chew on my steak? That's not enjoyable.
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Not buy meat, or buy less of it. That's how capitalism works bud, if demand goes down, less animals are tortured.
[QUOTE=yawmwen;36025534]So what if human tastes tasty? There's no reason not to eat tasty things. What about Panda? I actually hear Panda is fucking delicious.
[/QUOTE]Thousands of years of morals has taught us that cannibalism is wrong. Plus humans are not cattle. There's too much legal reasons behind it, too much abuse (and yes human abuse is prioritized over animal abuse)
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Not buy meat, or buy less of it. That's how capitalism works bud, if demand goes down, less animals are tortured.[/QUOTE]
But why wouldn't I? Meat is fucking tasty. When I don't eat meat my stomach is tortured.
[QUOTE=AceOfDivine;36025552]Thousands of years of morals has taught us that cannibalism is wrong. Plus humans are not cattle. There's too much legal reasons behind it, too much abuse (and yes human abuse is prioritized over animal abuse)[/quote] So what about Panda? Or shark fin? [quote]But why wouldn't I? Meat is fucking tasty. When I don't eat meat my stomach is tortured.[/QUOTE] If you think unnecessary suffering is tasty, there is probably no helping you.
[QUOTE=yawmwen;36025585]If you think unnecessary suffering is tasty, there is probably no helping you.[/QUOTE]
No I think meat is tasty, I just don't give a shit how much it suffered to get that way.
[QUOTE=Bassplaya7;36023563]My friends all make gay jokes because I'm a vegetarian.[/QUOTE]
I think liking meat is a lot more homosexual than being vegetarian.
[QUOTE=yawmwen;36025585]If you think unnecessary suffering is tasty, there is probably no helping you.[/QUOTE]
Survival of the fittest, my friend.
[QUOTE=yawmwen;36025585]So what about Panda? Or shark fin? [/QUOTE]
I don't know about panda. If they're not endangered and are bred for food, why not?
About shark fin, I am against it only because the rest of the shark is wasted. If they took the whole shark and used up all it's meat, then fuck yeah. If you take a cow and only use it's legs, that's not right either.
[QUOTE=yawmwen;36025585]If you think unnecessary suffering is tasty, there is probably no helping you.[/QUOTE]
At least we got somewhere.
[QUOTE=AceOfDivine;36025634]I don't know about panda. If they're not endangered and are bred for food, why not? About shark fin, I am against it only because the rest of the shark is wasted. If they took the whole shark and used up all it's meat, then fuck yeah. If you take a cow and only use it's legs, that's not right either. [/QUOTE] Pandas and sharks only exist for our whim. Who gives a shit if the rest is wasted, the rest probably tastes shitty. And who cares if Pandas are endangered? They are stupid enough to get killed, they shouldn't be allowed to live on this planet anymore.
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About shark fin, I am against it only because the rest of the shark is wasted. If they took the whole shark and used up all it's meat, then fuck yeah. If you take a cow and only use it's legs, that's not right either. [/QUOTE]
Don't they use the whole shark though? I've seen shark steaks at the grocery store, I'm pretty sure the entire shark is not wasted.
I could be wrong though.
[QUOTE=yawmwen;36024890]Cats torture mice, therefore we should torture animals. Hell, beat your dog because dogs fight and kill each other all the fucking time, you're doing it a favor by simulating it's natural habitat. Some animals practice cannibalism on their young so maybe people who kill infants shouldn't be prosecuted.
Hurting living creatures is not better because we feed them. We are humans, we move past the animal world and create civilization. [b]Eating meat out of necessity(because you're poor) is one thing, eating meat just because you love the taste of it is just unneeded cruelty towards another living thing.[/b][/QUOTE]
I was with you til the end, as long as you kill the animal quick and cleanly to reduce pain then go to town on it and eat whatever you want.
We're omnivores, we eat everything, we are the apex predator of earth and if we want to eat something we will eat it.
This reflects on the average meat eater's intelligence I think.
[QUOTE=DamagePoint;36025650]Don't they use the whole shark though? I've seen shark steaks at the grocery store, I'm pretty sure the entire shark is not wasted. I could be wrong though.[/QUOTE] Depends on what the shark was intended for. A lot of fishermen just take the shark and cut the fin off since it's the most valuable part. Other fishermen take the whole shark and sell it, but not a lot of people eat shark so it's hard to sell.
[QUOTE=DamagePoint;36025650]Don't they use the whole shark though? I've seen shark steaks at the grocery store, I'm pretty sure the entire shark is not wasted.
I could be wrong though.[/QUOTE]
Nope, the overwhelming majority of the time the shark is caught and it's fins are cut off, a lot of the time the shark is dumped, sometimes the whole shark is taken back and used.
[QUOTE=yawmwen;36025649]Pandas and sharks only exist for our whim. Who gives a shit if the rest is wasted, the rest probably tastes shitty. And who cares if Pandas are endangered? They are stupid enough to get killed, they shouldn't be allowed to live on this planet anymore.[/QUOTE]
You know you're right, we should eat them into extinction.
[QUOTE=Pierrewithahat;36025654]I was with you til the end, as long as you kill the animal quick and cleanly to reduce pain then go to town on it and eat whatever you want. We're omnivores, we eat everything, we are the apex predator of earth and if we want to eat something we will eat it.[/QUOTE] We aren't really the apex predator, in fact we aren't even that good at hunting naturally. Take a group of average people, cut them off from supermarkets, give them a gun, and tell them to go hunt for their food for the next year. You will see how well they do. In fact, humans evolved to not eat a whole lot of meat at all, since it's sort of hard work getting the meat. It's generally thought that we ate mostly berries, nuts, fruits, and other plants. Meat was merely something to supplement our diet.
Apex predator =/= master hunter in the wild.
If all we did was hunt we would never invent advanced weapons as we'd be busy hunting. Hence why there are important people who are not hunters. There are people who hunt, there are people who pay others to hunt for them. We rule earth and quite a lot of natural rules don't apply to us any more.
Yeah but we still ate meat, we have sharp slicing teeth specifically for that purpose which means we ate meat on a regular enough basis for it to have a substantial effect on our evolution and physiology.
And as a species our intelligence makes us the best hunters, we can set traps and get food that way.
[quote]Food chains are often far shorter on land, with the top of the food chain limited to the third trophic level, as where such predators as the big cats, crocodilians, hyenas, wolves, or giant constrictor snakes prey upon large herbivores. Apex predators need not be hypercarnivores. For example, grizzly bears and humans[6] are each apex predators and are omnivores.[/quote]
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apex_predator[/url]
We are THE apex predator thanks to our intelligence.
[QUOTE=Pierrewithahat;36025722]Yeah but we still ate meat, we have sharp slicing teeth specifically for that purpose which means we ate meat on a regular enough basis for it to have a substantial effect on our evolution and physiology.
And as a species our intelligence makes us the best hunters, we can set traps and get food that way.
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apex_predator[/url]
We are THE apex predator thanks to our intelligence.[/QUOTE]
That still doesn't make us apex, considering animals like panthers, lions, tigers, and black bears often hunt humans.
Also, I don't see how we can classify ourselves as apex predator anymore when we domesticate and eat animals. Very few humans prey on animals these days.
[QUOTE=newbs;36023590]I'm a vegetarian but I'm fitter than half of you motherfuckers out there. Besides, all that muscle turns to fat when you get old and lazy.[/QUOTE]
oh great i have the same diet as this great human specimen
thanks a lot newbs now i have to defend my eating habits.
[QUOTE=yawmwen;36025762]That still doesn't make us apex, considering animals like panthers, lions, tigers, and black bears often hunt humans.
Also, I don't see how we can classify ourselves as apex predator anymore when we domesticate and eat animals. Very few humans prey on animals these days.[/QUOTE]
Do you not understand this, we have created tools that make killing animals flawlessly easy to a point where we don't even need to be within a mile of the animal, we can go fishing with explosives, we can blow a bears head off from miles away with hollow point bullets from the comfort of a hill top with some coffee.
We actually set limits on what we can hunt and what weapons we can use to hunt them, [i]to make it fairer for the animal.[/i]
If you don't believe that humans are apex predators then you're in total denial.
[editline]20th May 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=newbs;36023590]I'm a vegetarian but I'm fitter than half of you motherfuckers out there. Besides, all that muscle turns to fat when you get old and lazy.[/QUOTE]
Biology 101, muscle doesn't turn to fat.
[QUOTE=newbs;36023590]I'm a vegetarian but I'm fitter than half of you motherfuckers out there. Besides, all that muscle turns to fat when you get old and lazy.[/QUOTE]
I'm a non-vegetarian and I'm fitter than you.
I don't see the point in going vegetarian, half of the shit that's sold is meant to at least taste like meat so it just doesn't make sense to me to even bother getting vegetarian stuff.
If you're gonna go vegetarian then don't be retarded about it, you can survive fine without meat if you eat the right vegetables like sea weed, and spinach and the like.
The only thing I can't understand is the sheer lack of textures, you eat leafy crunchy shit one day, then the next day it's leafy, crunchy shit. Don't get me wrong man vegetables are the bomb diggity but sometimes you've gotta sink your teeth into some well cooked, thick, juicy fillet steak.
[QUOTE=Pierrewithahat;36026099]If you're gonna go vegetarian then don't be retarded about it, you can survive fine without meat if you eat the right vegetables like sea weed, and spinach and the like.
The only thing I can't understand is the sheer lack of textures, you eat leafy crunchy shit one day, then the next day it's leafy, crunchy shit. Don't get me wrong man vegetables are the bomb diggity but sometimes you've gotta sink your teeth into some well cooked, thick, juicy fillet steak.[/QUOTE]
yeah if you turn it into porn for yourself.
personally i think red meat is pretty gross, i mean it doesn't even taste without the seasoning.
only an appallingly bad chef would make "leafy crunchy shit" everyday.
Personally I can't see the appeal of a vegetarian option; I kinda perceive vegetarianism as a weakness or a mutation, an abnormality on so many levels. Unless you can't even digest cooked meat or have an allergy to meat in general (in which case why are you still in the gene pool), there's no reason to be a vegetarian. If it's for moral reasons it's kinda pathetic; omnivores eat flesh as well, it is an inexorable aspect of nature and you WILL succumb to the joys of carnivorism; the succulent sausage-nipples, the tender beef curtains, the firm yet filling pork sword! *DISCLAIMER: not to be confused or associated with cannibalism, which is about as ethical as Professor Genki drinking an infant and puppie smoothie to wash down the pan-fried souls of the innocent*
In other words, eating meat is sexy, and unless you're a eunuch there's no reason not to. However if the moral reasons concern animal welfare, your concerns are legit; an animal should have a good and ethical life before we consume its flesh, they're essentially condemned to serve us by being served to us, so they might as well have a good quality state of existence before they give up their lives for our benefit. But regardless, if you're veggie for reasons associated with animal cruelty, simply don't eat the flesh of those that have suffered; stick to the meats of animals who lived long and happy lives.
As for vegans, they're mutant abominations in general; disavowing all kinds of animal product for reasons incomprehensible, though likely they're competing with vegetarians for the "World's Biggest Losers Awards", and currently they get the extra-special [B]PLATINUM[/B] Medal, since their overall failure in life and abhorrent hipsterism is so great that we invented an award higher even than the gold medal just for their extra-special pinnacle of failure. Damn weaklings.
[QUOTE=thisispain;36026112]yeah if you turn it into porn for yourself.
personally i think red meat is pretty gross, i mean it doesn't even taste without the seasoning.
only an appallingly bad chef would make "leafy crunchy shit" everyday.[/QUOTE]
Fillet steaks are essentially food porn dude, they're usually really really lean and tender, they're very high grade steaks and besides I'd rather enjoy my food than begrugingly eat it cause I need to live.
It's all perspective.
Besides a good steak deserves a round of applause.
maybe if you're 15 years old lol
[QUOTE=thisispain;36026151]maybe if you're 15 years old lol[/QUOTE]
Cool, I'm 15 years old cause I enjoy a good steak, flawless logic.
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