Meat And Masculinity: Men May Avoid Vegetarian Options Over Manly Perception Of Meat
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AceofDivine for worst poster 2012
My sister is a vegetarian. Whenever she comes to visit we have to make some special bullshit for her. Whenever she asks me why I eat meat, I say it's because I like the way it tastes. I ask her why she eats veggies, she says she doesn't approve of the killing of animals for food. I say to her that the animals on the plate are already dead, may as well eat them or they died for no reason. She calls me an asshole.
But geez, it's not like all I do is hork down meat 24/7 and piss all over any veggies I'm presented. Best diet is to eat everything you can. You can have steak and still enjoy salads.
[QUOTE=The Calzone;36028734]My sister is a vegetarian. Whenever she comes to visit we have to make some special bullshit for her. Whenever she asks me why I eat meat, I say it's because I like the way it tastes. I ask her why she eats veggies, she says she doesn't approve of the killing of animals for food. I say to her that the animals on the plate are already dead, may as well eat them or they died for no reason. She calls me an asshole.[/QUOTE]
To be fair, you did have a bit of a smartass comment there. I'm not surprised your sister threw it back in your face.
On the subject though, I do find it quite interesting that we live in a time where someone can say that they don't approve of killing animals for food. From my point of view, eating meat is as natural as sleeping or breathing, so perhaps I'll never quite be able to grasp it. To each their own.
[QUOTE=NorthernFall;36028584]AceofDivine for worst poster 2012[/QUOTE]
I see a lot of "X for worst poster of 2012". Is there even a point to these comments? They don't insult the person mentioned, they provide no useful information for other readers and overall do nothing.
[QUOTE=JeanLuc761;36028824]To be fair, you did have a bit of a smartass comment there. I'm not surprised your sister threw it back in your face.
On the subject though, I do find it quite interesting that we live in a time where someone can say that they don't approve of killing animals for food. From my point of view, eating meat is as natural as sleeping or breathing, so perhaps I'll never quite be able to grasp it. To each their own.[/QUOTE]
Well I mean, she is my sister, of course I'm going to be a smartass with her. Runs in the family. :v:
But seriously, I never say anything to vegetarians, yet all of my vegetarian friends always seem to be the first ones to say something about me eating meat. I can understand the motivation but there's no need to be a snob about it, same thing about meat eaters. It's nice that you eat nothing but veggies, I just don't care. You don't need to inform me more than once.
HOW IT SHOULD GO:
"Hey want to come over to my place and grab a bite to eat?"
"Sure, but keep in mind I don't eat meat."
"Oh okay cool."
HOW IT USUALLY GOES:
"Hey want to come over to my place and grab a bite to eat?"
"Sure, but keep in mind I don't eat meat."
"Oh okay cool."
"I just don't eat the nasty stuff, and I don't see why you do too."
"Yeah okay then."
"Seriously, why do you eat that stuff? Can't you think of all the poor animals that are mistreated?"
it usually goes on like this for a while and ends up with smarmy comments being slung around on both sides
it's nice you've got this lifestyle but please do not shove it in my face or try to convert me and I won't do the same
[QUOTE=JeanLuc761;36028824]To be fair, you did have a bit of a smartass comment there. I'm not surprised your sister threw it back in your face.
From my point of view, eating meat is as natural as sleeping or breathing, so perhaps I'll never quite be able to grasp it. To each their own.[/QUOTE]
Your implying natural as in we have no choice but to enact like sleeping and breathing? Not at all.
Natural as in instinctive? Your parents just gave you a cigarette and now your hooked.
Natural as in that's life? You have no ethical, right-minded values towards any sentient being and birdbrained to what position they are stuck in.
[QUOTE=JeanLuc761;36028824]I do find it quite interesting that we live in a time where someone can say that they don't approve of killing animals for food.[/QUOTE]
Don't you think they have some kind of argument to justify that? Why are you talking as if the former past is actually the preferrable position to be in?
I think it's manly for a man to make his own choice of what he eats and not be effected by tv commercials..
[QUOTE=XxPsychoxX;36023317]That or the fact that you know... meat is kind of delicious.[/QUOTE]
Kind of????
I think you forgot "fucking delicious" there.
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[QUOTE=Forumaster;36023321]I just find that most vegetables taste awful, especially broccoli and celery.
I like fruit though.[/QUOTE]
This.
So many times I'm eating something trying to avoid vegetables and such, and then I accidentally take a bite on one...
Jesus fuck it tastes awful.
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[QUOTE=yawmwen;36025378]So let's consume humans, then. We will all inevitably die, why not cannibalize each other? Everything will inevitably die so who gives a shit what happens to them in life?
That doesn't make up for the fact they live a shitty life in a glorified coffin.[/QUOTE]
Because killing and eating a person is the same as killing an animal. Exact same right?
[QUOTE=dass;36031123]Kind of????
I think you forgot "fucking delicious" there.
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This.
So many times I'm eating something trying to avoid vegetables and such, and then I accidentally take a bite on one...
Jesus fuck it tastes awful.
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Because killing and eating a person is the same as killing an animal. Exact same right?[/QUOTE]
Do you just not eat any vegetables at all? I mean I'm not the biggest fan of them but I at least have potatoes, peas and carrots.
ITT: People are existentially threatened by other people's personal preferences.
[QUOTE=dass;36031123]
Because killing and eating a person is the same as killing an animal. Exact same right?[/QUOTE]
Right... Killing something isn't the same as killing something else. Stop the strawman nonesense please.
Funny thing: broccoli is actually very good for testosterone, and so are nuts and anything green. I don't know if meat is or not though. But I eat meat because it has more flavor, not to be more manly.
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Also, I think it's okay to eat animals that aren't social and don't miss each other, but I don't think it's okay to eat social organisms. Even though ants aren't eaten in most cultures, I actually am morally opposed to eating ants. I'm also not completely sure that it's right to eat pork... no matter how delicious those squeely little smart bastards taste.
[QUOTE=Daemon;36031466]Right... Killing something that can feel isn't the same as killing something else that can feel. Stop the strawman nonesense please.[/QUOTE]
Pain is purely a physical reaction to body damage. What you should also consider is the level of conscience and intelligence. Neither cow nor a pig is worthy.
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[QUOTE=Lord_Ragnarok;36031485]
Also, I think it's okay to eat animals that aren't social and don't miss each other, but I don't think it's okay to eat social organisms. Even though ants aren't eaten in most cultures, I actually am morally opposed to eating ants.[/QUOTE]
Ants aren't going to miss each other though. You could snag them one by one and others would never be able to tell.
[QUOTE=AceOfDivine;36031524]Pain is purely a physical reaction to body damage. What you should also consider is the level of conscience and intelligence. Neither cow nor a pig is worthy.
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Ants aren't going to miss each other though. You could snag them one by one and others would never be able to tell.[/QUOTE]
Actually, ants are highly intelligent, have a social order and are organized.
[QUOTE=AceOfDivine;36031524]Pain is purely a physical reaction to body damage. What you should also consider is the level of conscience and intelligence. Neither cow nor a pig is worthy.[/QUOTE]
I edited my previous post because i realized how it would get a reaction to that exact statement and irrelevant to the reply anyhow but...
Pain is discomfort and it's here to stay i'm afraid. I'm not going to get used to it and see it being tolerated for any sentient thing. Intelligence has been our way of saying, "We don't need claws and teeth to fight our battles" because we have a smarter brain. Cow doesn't do half of the appalling crap that we are capable to do and have done, so who are you to say what's better?
[QUOTE=Lord_Ragnarok;36031566]Actually, ants are highly intelligent, have a social order and are organized.[/QUOTE]
Yes that's true but no ant will go "Oh god my brother hasn't returned yet, I hope he's okay"
[QUOTE=Daemon;36031686]
Pain is discomfort and it's here to stay i'm afraid. I'm not going to get used to it and see it being tolerated for any sentient thing. Intelligence has been our way of saying, "We don't need claws and teeth to fight our battles" because we have a smarter brain. Cow doesn't do half of the appalling crap that we are capable to do and have done, so who are you to say what's better?[/QUOTE]
Intelligence has been our way of ruling the world. Combine that with the fact that we eat both meat and herbs, there is no reason why not kill and eat animals. Especially the ones grown for food. They have no purpose other than being food. If released to the wild they would die anyway and go to waste.
[QUOTE=AceOfDivine;36031777]Yes that's true but no ant will go "Oh god my brother hasn't returned yet, I hope he's okay"
Intelligence has been our way of ruling the world. Combine that with the fact that we eat both meat and herbs, there is no reason why not kill and eat animals. Especially the ones grown for food. They have no purpose other than being food. If released to the wild they would die anyway and go to waste.[/QUOTE]
No! Intelligence, the weapon of our choice in the evolutionary chain because we were too puney to have anything decent like an huge crab claw but it obviously paid off in the end didn't it? It just so happens that it is versatile in every single way that can adapt beyond any physical entity for a dependency.The reason why we rule the world is because we know how to exploit the shit out of everything because that is what it comes down to. Just so happens we don't rule the universe so fuck humans they suck.
[QUOTE=AceOfDivine;36031777]there is no reason why not kill and eat animals [/QUOTE]
Why is because we eat both herbs and meat a reason to kill animals? What i put in my mouth depends on what i eat.
You don't go and release 1,200,000 cattle into the fields that were specifically bred to be eaten. You cut off the insemination process and there would be nothing left to free.
[QUOTE=Elecbullet;36023303]Is this news to anyone?
I'm not usually one to proclaim commercials as sexist, but the most sexist commercial I have widely seen on TV is Campbell's Chunky Soup. Tons of men eating the soup because it has all the "meat guys love". I'm sorry, do women not like meat? That's news to me.[/QUOTE]
It's because silly people think masculinity genuinely counts.
Though it does make sense, lots of meat is commonly associated with being strong.
Can't have a world of vegetarians. Simply not enough farmland for it to be viable.
Farm animals are fed grass, a substance we literally lack the enzymes to break down for calories, and products from crops that are deemed unfit for human consumption.
We, like everything else, are solar powered. Everything goes back to plants. They are solar plants that turn sunlight into sugar. Humans can in turn eat the plants we possess the means to digest and pull the sugar out of the plant matter and place it directly into our systems.
HOWEVER. As I said, animals possess the means to consume things we do not and in many cases a very limited variety of plants are capable of growing in a region. Whether this is due to the geography, the climate, or simply the content of the soil, it all boils down to it being square footage that is unusable for producing food calories for human consumption. This is where livestock enter the picture. Since they CAN convert those calories into a usable form, they serve as an intermediary and make unusable terrain usable again for food production.
There are vast swaths of the world which are fantastic for cattle production, but virtually useless as farmland. Cut those out and we starve.
The energy consumed needs to match the energy produced and simple math prevents mankind from cutting animal flesh out of our diet any time in the near future.
People can argue ideals all they want, but in the real world, animal products are necessary if we wish not to die. Placing too much faith in the superiority of mankind's capabilities is a grave error. We are not magical and are still subject to precisely the same restrictions as the rest of the animal kingdom.
[QUOTE=GunFox;36032246]Can't have a world of vegetarians. Simply not enough farmland for it to be viable.
Farm animals are fed grass, a substance we literally lack the enzymes to break down for calories, and products from crops that are deemed unfit for human consumption.
We, like everything else, are solar powered. Everything goes back to plants. They are solar plants that turn sunlight into sugar. Humans can in turn eat the plants we possess the means to digest and pull the sugar out of the plant matter and place it directly into our systems.
HOWEVER. As I said, animals possess the means to consume things we do not and in many cases a very limited variety of plants are capable of growing in a region. Whether this is due to the geography, the climate, or simply the content of the soil, it all boils down to it being square footage that is unusable for producing food calories for human consumption. This is where livestock enter the picture. Since they CAN convert those calories into a usable form, they serve as an intermediary and make unusable terrain usable again for food production.
There are vast swaths of the world which are fantastic for cattle production, but virtually useless as farmland. Cut those out and we starve.
The energy consumed needs to match the energy produced and simple math prevents mankind from cutting animal flesh out of our diet any time in the near future.
People can argue ideals all they want, but in the real world, animal products are necessary if we wish not to die. Placing too much faith in the superiority of mankind's capabilities is a grave error. We are not magical and are still subject to precisely the same restrictions as the rest of the animal kingdom.[/QUOTE]
Although it might be possible in future to develop artificial digesters that take in plant matter unfit for human consumption, and output sugars and things that we can make into foods. They'd be way more efficient than using animals, and then we could use the animals for industrial substances.
[QUOTE=DainBramageStudios;36032317]Although it might be possible in future to develop artificial digesters that take in plant matter unfit for human consumption, and output sugars and things that we can make into foods. They'd be way more efficient than using animals, and then we could use the animals for industrial substances.[/QUOTE]
Certainly possible but it would likely be born out of necessity. As in people are starving.
It is pretty hard to beat a self replicating autonomous eating machine (i.e. a cow) for gathering calories. Not only are they simple to care for, but that simplicity means that the people who care for them do not require advanced education. Farming keeps a significant portion of our population employed.
I'm not saying we won't eventually work our way around it, but any solution would likely be incredibly complicated as meat plays such a fundamental role in human society at virtually all levels.
If people all stopped eating meat, the food chain as we know it would likely begin to break down.
And we'd starve unless we created massive hydroponic farms thousands of times more efficient than what we have now.
And how do vegetarians feel about lab grown meat?
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;36032618]And how do vegetarians feel about lab grown meat?[/QUOTE]
I find it perfectly acceptable, although I likely wouldn't eat it due to what I would associate it with. I think it would be excellent if it provided a solution to world hunger problems, and if it reduced en mass bredding of animals, I think it'd be an brilliant invention.
I mean, we spend vast amounts of land for grazing animals. That space can be used to grow useful crops.
[QUOTE=Bassplaya7;36032828]I mean, we spend vast amounts of land for grazing animals. That space can be used to grow useful crops.[/QUOTE]
All the more reason to look into lab grown meats. I'm not giving up something like meat just because we could use the land "better" when we aren't really facing issues from using it currently. The hunger issues in other countries would hardly be solved by removing farmed animals. They would be better solved if we distributed what we have better instead.
[QUOTE=Forumaster;36023321]I just find that most vegetables taste awful, especially broccoli and celery.
I like fruit though.[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=The Calzone;36028917]Well I mean, she is my sister, of course I'm going to be a smartass with her. Runs in the family. :v:
But seriously, I never say anything to vegetarians, yet all of my vegetarian friends always seem to be the first ones to say something about me eating meat. I can understand the motivation but there's no need to be a snob about it, same thing about meat eaters. It's nice that you eat nothing but veggies, I just don't care. You don't need to inform me more than once.
HOW IT SHOULD GO:
"Hey want to come over to my place and grab a bite to eat?"
"Sure, but keep in mind I don't eat meat."
"Oh okay cool."
HOW IT USUALLY GOES:
"Hey want to come over to my place and grab a bite to eat?"
"Sure, but keep in mind I don't eat meat."
"Oh okay cool."
"I just don't eat the nasty stuff, and I don't see why you do too."
"Yeah okay then."
"Seriously, why do you eat that stuff? Can't you think of all the poor animals that are mistreated?"
it usually goes on like this for a while and ends up with smarmy comments being slung around on both sides
it's nice you've got this lifestyle but please do not shove it in my face or try to convert me and I won't do the same[/QUOTE]
Obnoxious people are gonna be obnoxious no matter their diet. If they weren't gonna tell you about how you should eat like them, they'd tell you about something else.
[QUOTE=CMB Unit 01;36032805]I find it perfectly acceptable, although I likely wouldn't eat it due to what I would associate it with. I think it would be excellent if it provided a solution to world hunger problems, and if it reduced en mass bredding of animals, I think it'd be an brilliant invention.[/QUOTE]
What if it's horribly inefficient to produce even compared to meat from well treated farm animals?
Once again we have a thread on the topic of vegetarianism and it descends into a massive discussion full of people disproportionately bothered by other people's dietary choices and misinformed opinions.
I don't know I really like meat and I am a pussy bitch so...
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