Republicans Win Again - Organs Taken Away From the Poors - Polidicks

[QUOTE=sp00ks;26197703]Freedom to be poor. Freedom to be sick. Freedom to die. Fucking disgusting.[/QUOTE] We should live under a totalitarian regime! Freedom to be shot randomly Freedom to be run over by a bus Freedom to be robbed Fucking disgusting.

[QUOTE=s0beit;26198802]We should live under a totalitarian regime! Freedom to be shot randomly Freedom to be run over by a bus Freedom to be robbed Fucking disgusting.[/QUOTE] Uh, slightly confused by your post. What are you saying?

[QUOTE=Cloak Raider;26198817]Uh, slightly confused by your post. What are you saying?[/QUOTE] Viva Libertarianism?

[QUOTE=Cloak Raider;26198817]Uh, slightly confused by your post. What are you saying?[/QUOTE] His post implies our "freedom" is only negative in this aspect, or that freedom should only be a positive force when anyone who isn't a total jackass would be able to tell you that isn't true. I was satirizing his post by implying we could stop all negative consequences of freedom by just not having any, problem solved.

[QUOTE=s0beit;26198869]His post implies our "freedom" is only negative in this aspect, or that freedom should only be a positive force when anyone who isn't a total jackass would be able to tell you that isn't true. I was satirizing his post by implying we could stop all negative consequences of freedom by just not having any, problem solved.[/QUOTE] Fair point.

[QUOTE=Cloak Raider;26198616]Bullshit. As I said before, we founded the NHS after World War 2 when our country was a fucking wreck. If we can do it, you can too. It's not the cost, it's wanting it. And if your government is as corrupt as you make it sound, perhaps you ought to move here.[/QUOTE] I rather live in a corrupt shithole that at least allows me view proper pornography, own the same(well sans full-automatic) firearms that I pay for with my tax dollars for the former school bullies employed in the police department, and the retardly overfunded and ineffective Military, to dick around with, and not have be arrested for some bullshit like 'inciting racial hatred' because I exercised my freedom of speech to make a off hand comment about the sight of arabic script on victorian buildings in a place where it rains constantly

[QUOTE=Broseph_;26198964]I rather live in a corrupt shithole that at least allows me view proper pornography, own the same(well sans full-automatic) firearms that I pay for with my tax dollars for the former school bullies employed in the police department, and the retardly overfunded and ineffective Military, to dick around with, and not have be arrested for some bullshit like 'inciting racial hatred' because I exercised my freedom of speech to make a off hand comment about the sight of arabic script on victorian buildings in a place where it rains constantly[/QUOTE] you have a massively distorted view of the UK

Having to wait and pay for organs is absolute shit. I know someone who needed a lung transplant. She was at the hospital half of the time, and she couldn't work at her job because of her deteriorating health condition. Imagine that, and having two kids to support. Then it's a really bad time. She finally got her new lungs after 6 months, and she's doing fine now, although it was horrible that she had to wait so long. At least it was free. :canada:

[QUOTE=Broseph_;26198964]I rather live in a corrupt shithole that at least allows me view proper pornography, own the same(well sans full-automatic) firearms that I pay for with my tax dollars for the former school bullies employed in the police department, and the retardly overfunded and ineffective Military, to dick around with, and not have be arrested for some bullshit like 'inciting racial hatred' because I exercised my freedom of speech to make a off hand comment about the sight of arabic script on victorian buildings in a place where it rains constantly[/QUOTE] there's limits on porn in UK or other EU countries? why do you need firearms? to shoot other people? how would your fucking former school bullies get into police force, how retarded are the requirements over there? and your last sentence makes no sense.

Genuinely read the title and thought it meant the Republicans were taking non-vital organs out of the poor for transplant.

Thought the same but this is still stupid as hell. Wish it was in a better state so showing to the public that Republicans plan on cutting costs from health care would actually have an effect.

[QUOTE=Xen Tricks;26198143]Well not like brute hard work, of course that's not going to get you anywhere. I meant hard work with an aim at progressing, working as smart as you do hard.[/QUOTE] Posting... It's time to stop.

So they were the ones who spoke out against "rationed" healthcare and then ration it. Awesome, way to go, great job. Don't let those poor leeches drain money from the rest of us! They should get a job! WHO CARES IF THEY CAN'T STAND UP THAT'S THEIR PROBLEM THEY'RE ONLY GUARANTEED THE PURSUIT OF HAPPINESS. [sp]>:([/sp]

[QUOTE=Fippe;26199192]there's limits on porn in UK or other EU countries? why do you need firearms? to shoot other people? how would your fucking former school bullies get into police force, how retarded are the requirements over there? and your last sentence makes no sense.[/QUOTE] Apparently that 'extreme porn act' they passed a year ago mostly limited it missionary sex only Also how can you even compare the UK to the EU? What's with this gun owner = instant murderer non-sense? If my half my fucking tax dollars go to the military, I'll be damned if I can't at least get to own the service rifle they use Under U.S. law your school records are sealed once you turn 18, meaning most of these shitheads fly under the radar since rarely does bullying rarely becomes a criminal matter, with the only requirement to be a police officer in the US being A: An Asshole, B: Not being able to aim worth a shit, C: No criminal record At least Constables and most of the State Police is nice I've come to the understanding Britons are really oversensitive when it comes to race

BRB guys, switching to liberalism.

[QUOTE=POLOPOZOZO;26199527]So they were the ones who spoke out against "rationed" healthcare and then ration it. Awesome, way to go, great job.[/QUOTE] That's exactly the problem, healthcare is always rationed, not just in a modern universal system. We're rationing it right now based on insured and non-insured, the anti-reform crowd stirred up a bunch of shit about the evils of rationing healthcare, but that's precisely what is going on now.

[QUOTE=Broseph_;26199588] Under U.S. law your school records are sealed once you turn 18, meaning most of these shitheads fly under the radar since rarely does bullying rarely becomes a criminal matter, with the only requirement to be a police officer in the US being A: An Asshole, B: Not being able to aim worth a shit, C: No criminal record [/QUOTE] you forgot "d" D. excessively violent

[QUOTE=POLOPOZOZO;26199527]So they were the ones who spoke out against "rationed" healthcare and then ration it. Awesome, way to go, great job. Don't let those poor leeches drain money from the rest of us! They should get a job! WHO CARES IF THEY CAN'T STAND UP THAT'S THEIR PROBLEM THEY'RE ONLY GUARANTEED THE PURSUIT OF HAPPINESS. [sp]>:([/sp][/QUOTE] How did they ration anything? They simply ran out of money and couldn't afford to pay for it How is that rationing? Rationing is when the good or service becomes scarce, not when you go broke

[QUOTE=Broseph_;26199846]How did they ration anything? They simply ran out of money and couldn't afford to pay for it How is that rationing? Rationing is when the good or service becomes scarce, not when you go broke[/QUOTE] They rationed certain procedures above others - cut the high risk and expensive treatments to save money. Rationing healthcare to save money [quote=Article]But as of Oct. 1, AHCCCS said it is unable to pay for Shepherd's transplant. In fact, facing a $1.5 billion budget deficit, Arizona has cut out all state-funded lung transplants, some bone-marrow transplants and some heart transplants — including transplants for the condition Shepherd has.[/quote]

not surprised anyone that's not rich should not vote for republicans

Even if you are rich, voting for the Republicans is a dick move.

[QUOTE=sp00ks;26203675]Even if you are rich, voting for the Republicans is a dick move.[/QUOTE] yep, voting Republican is always a dick move if you're not straight, white, male, rich, or christian then it makes absolutely no sense to vote for them though

[QUOTE=Xen Tricks;26197916]Maybe if they planned properly[/QUOTE] I'm going to save for my kidney that fails in 8 years, 6 months and 2 weeks. How the hell can you plan ahead when you're income is just high enough to survive or can't work because of such condition.

[QUOTE=Xen Tricks;26198536]Explain to me how, then, people would pay for such an operation or any large medical expense, if saving up the money is unreasonable and getting a loan is unreasonable? I'm not sure if the entire amount is required at one time, but I'd imagine not. Let's assume so anyways. e: Like, I support socialized medicine, and this is an exorbitantly large charge, but i'm not seeing it being impossible to accrue, seeing as how many families have had to pay for such things before. Not every family that goes through such a procedure is rich.[/QUOTE] I'm sorry, but how are you so fucking thick? You completely discount things like living costs. The man has a family, and not only has he been using his money to supporting them over the years, but his condition (if you read the article) didn't allow him to continue working, so where might I ask is he expected to get 150 grand from? His asshole? You just keep saying shit about "saving up money", but somehow I suspect you are not an independant person and are completely unaware of the base costs of living in the US (taxes, food, clothing, probably rent or house payments, etc.), especially if you have a family to support.

As usual I continue hoping that we don't invent immortality within the next 40 years so the 65-year-old Republicans get to die. Then there's the problem of young brainwashed ones, but whatever: Those might get fixed up by people who actually have an internet connection.

[QUOTE=Broseph_;26198611]Well how do you suggest to bring down the cost? Surely socializing it won't work since that would require raising taxes which a majority of the American public opposes due to the fact it requires them to pay more money into a corrupt government they hate that produces third world quality services that are plagued by fraud that nobody seemed to care about when they are already struggling to pay their current Taxes with living cost increasing, the US dollar going to shit, and the fucking Federal Government being too motherfucking corrupt to tax the only people with disposable income in this fucking economic recession[/QUOTE] Jesus fucking christ do americans trust no one around them

here are some very true facts pointing out the pros and cons of both systems. I know which i would choose... the NHS. American Healthcare 1. 40 millions American have no healthcare insurance. 2. A friend of mine lied down in hospital bed for 2 hours, he got no cure at all but he received over $1,300 bill. 3. American drugs are too expensive. Many go Canada to buy a cheap drug. 4. Healthcare is big business in America. It hires a lots of folk. To me, it's all economic to me. They have to have a big business with good income in order to love America. If American healthcare is all run by socialism, it means that many who make big money in healthcare industry will lose their job. No one can pay the big health care bills (except the very rich) ... the $20,000 and $40,000 and $100,000 bills for major operations. And a goodly number of us will need such a procedure in our lifetimes All we can pay for is health insurance. That means a lot of us will pay premiums for health care we never have to use. So, whether we pay for health care through a private insurance system (as in the U.S.), or a public system, heavily subsidized (as in Canada), it comes down to the same thing, in my view. To me the only question is, which is more efficient, the private or public systems. I would argue that the public system is, for a number of reasons. Not the least is by having a system that encourages people to go to the doctor before they get catastrophically sick saves money in the long run for society as a whole. The most expensive in the world, the American healthcare system is also riddled with problems and contradictions. In short, the American system is a work in progress, driven by a disparate array of interests with two goals that are often in conflict: providing healthcare to the sick, and generating income for the persons and organizations that assume the financial risk. The government's annual bill for healthcare spending -- $3,925 per person -- significantly exceeds that of other nations, because physicians' salaries and hospital costs are higher, and medical technology is more widely used. The transfer of funds among federal and state Medicare and Medicaid programs is another important component of national healthcare spending. The American healthcare system is at once the most expensive and the most inadequate system in the developed world. English Healthcare The UK has a national health service that is based on the principle of free health care for all based on free at the point of service. All children’s and old age pensioners prescriptions and glasses eye tests are free. The health service is payed for by taxpayers as an additional tax on earnings. Due to this there is some abuse by UK residents and many immigrants choose to come to the UK due to this benefit, Many medical professionals appear to forget they are in fact payed by the people they serve and the level of service is not as high as is found in the USA for those who can afford the insurance premiums . The USA health is funded by each individual via insurance contributions often as part of there employment contract often with the employer providing a percentage of the premium and the employee having the other percentage deducted from their salary . It should also be noted that most insurance schemes require a payment by the person at the point of service ( called copay ) this includes doctor visits , prescriptions , blood tests, and most other health related needs. The disadvantage to this system is that only those with sufficient money receive the full medical cover and many of the poorest sections of society are left with little or no cover. There are 2 systems in place that cover old age and the poorest sections of society Medicare and Medicade , but both require the person to apply for them and make them jump through many hoops to obtain cover and coverage mostly only provides the basic cover and little choice in service supplier . There are in addition many charities that provide help to the most needy To provide a comparison is difficult but below I have listed the most obvious advantages and disadvantages with both UK advantages 1 No member of society is left with no medical cover from the cradle to the grave 2 The young and old are given the best of what medicine can offer 3 Preventative medicine is used to improve the overall health of the nation 4 Due to buying power of the NHS the cost of medicines is much lower UK disadvantages 1 The staff who work in the NHS sometimes forget that their patients have payed for the service in taxes 2 Some parts of society monopolise the service and visit doctors due to loneliness 3 The longer term does not look good due to a lower percentage of the population in work paying for an aging population ( the tax required to fund NHS will increase for those in work ) USA advantages 1 The quality of service from staff in healthcare is better due to the consumers choice 2 The range of services is wider and allows for innovation in treatments 3 Due to the copy system consumers will only visit healthcare services when there is a medical need USA disadvantages 1 Only those who can afford insurance receive the best of healthcare and many parts of society are left without cover 2 The cost of medicine is significantly more expensive due to political issues 3 Preventative medicine is not practiced to ensure the nations overall health 4 Children's dental health and eyesight needs are not covered as well 5 Many citizens continue to work after retirement as it is the only way health cover can continue [editline]21st November 2010[/editline] [editline]21st November 2010[/editline] and yes i know its a copy paste but he states relevant facts and if you want to go and double check the figures go ahead, i have and they are correct.

Broseph you are richard nixon [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t6gZvEAjGHw[/media]

Also, social healthcare is a cheaper alternative to private, the government and people end up paying alot less. I also cant understand how making healthcare available to everyone (private or not) is taking away peoples liberty, would someone enlighten me? [editline]21st November 2010[/editline]

[QUOTE=Broseph_;26199588]Apparently that 'extreme porn act' they passed a year ago mostly limited it missionary sex only[/QUOTE] Whatever news website you read, it's time to stop. The 'Extreme porn act' limits porn such as filming somebody being physically hurt without consent or being actually raped. Making actors do things that are physically dangerous (Such as trying to fuck somebody with a rusty nail encrusted plank of wood) and such things as bestiality. Our porn laws are very similar to the USA. While we don't have the very liberal approach as Sweden does, neither does the USA. [QUOTE=Broseph_;26199588]What's with this gun owner = instant murderer non-sense? If my half my fucking tax dollars go to the military, I'll be damned if I can't at least get to own the service rifle they use[/QUOTE] There are currently 200,000 weapons currently licensed and in use throughout the UK. Firearms are purchasable in licensed shops owing to circumstance. The general public do not wish for firearms to be purchasable by the public, and neither does the government. Therefore most of us are perfectly happy how things are, so much for being 'repressed'. The UK military is very well funded and very well trained, to the point where we provide military training to allied nations such as Israel, Germany, etc. While the UK does not have a giant army, having anything larger than we do now is a complete waste considering we share resources with other NATO countries. We've invested in a smaller, high tech military with some of the best equipment in the world to rival the US. Any dick waggling between the UK and USA is purely stupid for either side to start. [QUOTE=Broseph_;26199588]Under U.S. law your school records are sealed once you turn 18, meaning most of these shitheads fly under the radar since rarely does bullying rarely becomes a criminal matter, with the only requirement to be a police officer in the US being A: An Asshole, B: Not being able to aim worth a shit, C: No criminal record[/QUOTE] That's a USA problem, not a UK problem. What's your point? [QUOTE=Broseph_;26199588]I've come to the understanding Britons are really oversensitive when it comes to race[/QUOTE] It depends on who you talk to. I really don't see much of a differences between Brits and anyone else in the world. We have racists, and we have anti-racism laws. Nobody gets a prison sentence for saying nigger if you're talking to your friends in the street.