• Is the GOP's stop Trump campaign too late? Speaker Ryan rules himself out as a last minute nominee
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[QUOTE=Tudd;49959117]Bernie-supporter, but will vote for Trump if Sanders doesn't get nominated. Have fun trying to decipher me and other people.[/QUOTE] Wr can't decipher you because it makes absolutely no sense.
[QUOTE=FinalHunter;49958895]No, no one is stupid enough to try that because it would guarantee a Clinton victory by fracturing the conservative vote.[/QUOTE] Should have clarified that I meant afterwards
[QUOTE=Starpluck;49959129]You are someone who likes to follow the crowd, likes a simpleton candidate and is easily persuaded by cheap salesman tactics and trumped up buzzwords. Its not that difficult.[/QUOTE] Yes, he's basically a person easily swayed by cults of personality. Sad stuff.
[QUOTE=Tudd;49959117]Bernie-supporter, but will vote for Trump if Sanders doesn't get nominated. Have fun trying to decipher me and other people.[/QUOTE] My diagnosis: Bad.....
As I understand it Kasich mathematically can't clinch the election in delegates and Cruz probably won't either. So they're betting on making sure Trump doesn't clinch the victory so they can win the nomination in Cleveland. I don't know though, if Trump still has the highest numbers and the GOP picks someone else that could cause a massive shit storm within the party and split the voterbase. I really don't think it's possible for Trump to lose at this point. Which means I'm voting libertarian again because fuck Trump and fuck Clinton.
I'm voting for Nader
[QUOTE=Tudd;49959117]Bernie-supporter, but will vote for Trump if Sanders doesn't get nominated. Have fun trying to decipher me and other people.[/QUOTE] Bernie-supporter, but I'll give my vote to the Libertarians or Green Party if he doesn't get the nomination. I won't be throwing my vote to a crook, I'd rather take the bullet.
Honestly I could not actually care less about Trump's policies or political strategies. I cannot and will not endorse someone, regardless of their effectiveness as president, who sees minorities as second-class. Idk how anyone can but you do you...
[QUOTE=Starpluck;49959081]Some of (a lot on this forum) Bernie Sander's supporters are such hypocrites. [url]http://www.cbsnews.com/news/bernie-sanders-on-why-he-wont-run-as-in-independent/[/url] I don't get how one person can jump from a far-left Socialist to a far-right Corporatist. Far-left Socialism and far-right Capitalism are diametrically opposing ideologies. So to hear someone say they are going to go from socialist, to pro-corporate tells me the person is inconceivably dumb.[/QUOTE] its because hillary wanted to ban violent video games once breh
Also, the GOP is going to [I]explode and fracture[/I] if they screw with shit simply to deny trump the nomination and doing so will guarantee the presidency to the democrats again. Trump is going to win the primaries and everybody knows it, thats why the GOP is panicking like madmen right now. The very purpose of their party is about to radically change and they can't stop it because any course they take other than accepting trump will literally end them as a unified party. At the same time, the democrats, none of them, can afford to run independent so I hope to GOD that none of them do this when they lose the nomination because that'll guarantee the presidency to the GOP. Both parties are literally forced right now to accept whichever candidate wins the nominations because to do anything else will leave no other alternative except losing the presidency to the other. [editline]18th March 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=LtKyle2;49959150]Bernie-supporter, but I'll give my vote to the Libertarians or Green Party if he doesn't get the nomination. I won't be throwing my vote to a crook, I'd rather take the bullet.[/QUOTE] I don't understand this. Is Hillary literally so horrific as a choice that you'd pick trump over her?
[QUOTE=S31-Syntax;49959170]Also, the GOP is going to [I]explode and fracture[/I] if they screw with shit simply to deny trump the nomination and doing so will guarantee the presidency to the democrats again. Trump is going to win the primaries and everybody knows it, thats why the GOP is panicking like madmen right now. The very purpose of their party is about to radically change and they can't stop it because any course they take other than accepting trump will literally end them as a unified party. At the same time, the democrats, none of them, can afford to run independent so I hope to GOD that none of them do this when they lose the nomination because that'll guarantee the presidency to the GOP. Both parties are literally forced right now to accept whichever candidate wins the nominations because to do anything else will leave no other alternative except losing the presidency to the other. [editline]18th March 2016[/editline] I don't understand this. Is Hillary literally so horrific as a choice that you'd pick trump over her?[/QUOTE] Did you fail Reading Comprehension 101 in school? I said Libertarians or Green Party, not Trump. Trump winning is not my fault.
[QUOTE=LtKyle2;49959214]Did you fail Reading Comprehension 101 in school? I said Libertarians or Green Party, not Trump.[/QUOTE] It seemed like you implied that you would rather vote libertarian and have Trump elected that vote for.Clinton. maybe I missed the reading class too
[QUOTE=BusterBluth;49959227]It seemed like you implied that you would rather vote libertarian and have Trump elected that vote for.Clinton. maybe I missed the reading class too[/QUOTE] Trump winning is the fault of the voters who voted for him and the people who vote for Clinton.
To be honest, as someone that's always aligned more with the GOP than the Dems typically, I would love it of the GOP could fall completely apart and start from scratch. The GOP of today bases their ideals on a United States during the 70s, things have changed and they refuse to adapt which is infuriating.
[QUOTE=Tsyolin;49959232]To be honest, as someone that's always aligned more with the GOP than the Dems typically, I would love it of the GOP could fall completely apart and start from scratch. The GOP of today bases their ideals on a United States during the 70s, things have changed and they refuse to adapt which is infuriating.[/QUOTE] I see the Libertarians rising up and claiming the crown that the GOP currently wears after this election. The libs are more socially accepting of the LBGT community and minorities, and are no where near as much of a war hawk like their GOP cousins with less focus on intervening and more on maintaining diplomatic ties and providing some aid. If they got the federal funding like the Dems and Repubs do, they could take over D.C
[QUOTE=BusterBluth;49959227]It seemed like you implied that you would rather vote libertarian and have Trump elected that vote for.Clinton. maybe I missed the reading class too[/QUOTE] I would rather vote libertarian simply because I identify as one and both the projected candidates suck. I've never liked Hillary nor will I ever vote for her. [editline]18th March 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=LtKyle2;49959244]I see the Libertarians rising up and claiming the crown that the GOP currently wears after this election. The libs are more socially accepting of the LBGT community and minorities, and are no where near as much of a war hawk like their GOP cousins with less focus on intervening and more on maintaining diplomatic ties and providing some aid.[/QUOTE] I doubt it but one can dream right? The libertarian representation in my area is extremely small. When registering to vote under a political party you have to pencil it in under "other". So I'm not convinced the libs will take over considering how few in number they are.
[QUOTE=LtKyle2;49959231]Trump winning is the fault of the voters who voted for him and the people who vote for Clinton.[/QUOTE] I don't understand why Sanders would be so more likely to win as opposed to Clinton.
[QUOTE=BusterBluth;49959261]I don't understand why Sanders would be so more likely to win as opposed to Clinton.[/QUOTE] Because he can draw out the youth vote and other non-voters, isn't tied to wall street, surrounded by scandals or hated by the GOP as much as Hillary. All topics being discussed about in this election.
[QUOTE=LtKyle2;49959290]Because he can draw out the youth vote and other non-voters, isn't tied to wall street, surrounded by scandals or hated by the GOP as much as Hillary. All topics being discussed about in this election.[/QUOTE] That youth vote isn't stopping from getting his ass kicked in the primary. He isn't as hated because he hasn't done nearly as much as much Clinton. Most people have never heard of Sanders before this election. The Clinton name is a staple of the Democratic party. Sanders is far more left than Hillary, if they actually viewed him as a threat things would.be much different.
[QUOTE=FinalHunter;49959335]Please cite sources where Trump is actually saying or implying that minorities are second-class citizens without taking it out of context. I don't believe he has said that a single time. You said you can't vote for him because he threatened to deport your family. Unless your family is here illegally (in which case, ignoring morals, they should not be here) he has said literally nothing about deportation. Keep in mind I don't support Trump and while I am conservative I would rather see any of the other candidates get the nomination than him. I would genuinely consider voting for Sanders over Trump, because even though I disagree with Sanders on almost every level, I strongly believe that he is an individual who genuinely cares about the people of this country and I can't say the same thing about Trump. I think at the end of the day the character of an individual should say more than their policies.[/QUOTE] Adding * ignoring morals* really helps the argument. [editline]18th March 2016[/editline] Besides the fact the deportation isn't practical at all, Mexico funding a wall is a fucking joke, like all of his policys.
[QUOTE=Pascall;49959024]Hillary is a shady liar but at least she hasn't threatened to deport my family. That's kind of important to me.[/QUOTE] If your family is here illegally they should be deported.
I'm not gonna get into the details about my family because it's not pertinent to anyone but myself lmao so no. He doesn't need to have said "I think minorities are second-class" for it to be glaringly obvious. Stating that Mexico is sending over rapists and criminals, advocating for the registration of Muslim people, offering to pay legal fees for people who assault BLM protesters??? Regardless if it fits the "this guy is racist" standard that YOU have, it certainly fits mine so like I said people can do whatever the fuck they want but it will never make sense to me and, quite frankly, I don't want to personally associate with anyone who would gladly vote for Trump. [editline]18th March 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=toaster468;49959364]If your family is here illegally they should be deported.[/QUOTE] They are not, but that alone does not disqualify them from getting the shaft in many different aspects of their lives. But like I said, this doesn't affect anyone but myself. [editline]18th March 2016[/editline] Just because Trump's stance is limited to illegal immigrants doesn't mean that some of his followers won't attribute that to ALL immigrants. And it's kind of garbage!
[QUOTE=FinalHunter;49959335]Unless your family is here illegally ([B]in which case, ignoring morals[/B], they should not be here)[/QUOTE] l-fucking-mao yeah that's kinda the important bit my man
I don't even understand how anyone would think nominating someone who wasn't even running would work... I mean that would be the most undemocratic thing a political party has done in modern times "hey so we know you were the frontrunner, voted on by millions of our Republicans, buuut we gave it to this guy over there who wasn't even on any ballot"
[QUOTE=Pascall;49959370]I'm not gonna get into the details about my family because it's not pertinent to anyone but myself lmao so no. He doesn't need to have said "I think minorities are second-class" for it to be glaringly obvious. Stating that Mexico is sending over rapists and criminals, advocating for the registration of Muslim people, offering to pay legal fees for people who assault BLM protesters??? Regardless if it fits the "this guy is racist" standard that YOU have, [b]it certainly fits mine[/b] so like I said people can do whatever the fuck they want but it will never make sense to me and, quite frankly, I don't want to personally associate with anyone who would gladly vote for Trump. [editline]18th March 2016[/editline] They are not, but that alone does not disqualify them from getting the shaft in many different aspects of their lives. But like I said, this doesn't affect anyone but myself.[/QUOTE] I don't think many people share your extremely low bar for what constitutes a racist, and frankly most don't care what you think either. I implore you to listen to some of his speeches and not hear it second hand from HuffPo and MSNBC. [quote] Stating that Mexico is sending over rapists and criminals [/quote] Before I even talk about this point I want to make it clear that Trump has never said ALL migrants are rapists and criminals, however, in the past we have seen South American countries do this (one example is the Mariel boatlift). So what he said actually has some truth. It should also be said that regardless of whether or not Mexico does this maliciously or because of their inability to police the border, criminals and rapists ARE coming to America illegally and it has to be stopped. [quote] advocating for the registration of Muslim people [/quote] This is wrong, and also taken out of context [quote] offering to pay legal fees for people who assault BLM protesters [/quote] At many of his rallies there are protests, usually a couple people in the crowd peacefully disrupting and holding up signs, and in those cases he explicitly says not to hurt them. Now to your point, this was also taken out of context he was actually talking about a possible protester with tomatoes, not a BLM protester, I'm not sure where you got that idea from...
Ultimately: [url]http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2015/11/22/3724879/donald-trump-black-lives-matter-protester-beating/[/url] Shit like this scares me. It scares me to think that me or my family or the students that I care for and teach could encounter people like this. People who think the USA is the land of exclusivity and want to violently defend it. It absolutely terrifies me. I don't need to be okay with any of this and so I won't be. [editline]18th March 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=toaster468;49959469]I don't think many people share your extremely low bar for what constitutes a racist, and frankly most don't care what you think either. I implore you to listen to some of his speeches and not hear it second hand from HuffPo and MSNBC. Before I even talk about this point I want to make it clear that Trump has never said ALL migrants are rapists and criminals, however, in the past we have seen South American countries do this (one example is the Mariel boatlift). So what he said actually has some truth. It should also be said that regardless of whether or not Mexico does this maliciously or because of their inability to police the border, criminals and rapists ARE coming to America illegally and it has to be stopped. This is wrong, and also taken out of context At many of his rallies there are protests, usually a couple people in the crowd peacefully disrupting and holding up signs, and in those cases he explicitly says not to hurt them. Now to your point, this was also taken out of context he was actually talking about a possible protester with tomatoes, not a BLM protester, I'm not sure where you got that idea from...[/QUOTE] Cool you missed the part where I said I don't care what someone's standards for racism is. They can have their opinion and I can have mine. [editline]18th March 2016[/editline] I just would rather not associate with someone who needs there to be a giant, flagrant display of racism for someone to seem not worth endorsing to them. I deal with micro aggressions enough in my life and I have zero energy or tolerance for them at this point lol.
As an outside observer, I see Trump and Sanders as the only genuine candidates in this election. Sanders wants to make America civilized like the rest of the western world with free healthcare, education, etc. Trump is a billionaire who could just retire and do whatever he wants. Instead he [B]genuinely wants[/B] to help make his country great again. And that means more than whatever false promises other established politicians keep spewing.
btw don't take my words as objective lmao I'm only putting reasoning to why I'm doing what I'm doing u guys can do whatever u want don't let me stop you
[QUOTE=Pascall;49959485]Ultimately: [url]http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2015/11/22/3724879/donald-trump-black-lives-matter-protester-beating/[/url] Shit like this scares me. It scares me to think that me or my family or the students that I care for and teach could encounter people like this. People who think the USA is the land of exclusivity and want to violently defend it. It absolutely terrifies me. I don't need to be okay with any of this and so I won't be. [editline]18th March 2016[/editline] Cool you missed the part where I said I don't care what someone's standards for racism is. They can have their opinion and I can have mine. [editline]18th March 2016[/editline] I just would rather not associate with someone who needs there to be a giant, flagrant display of racism for someone to seem not worth endorsing to them. I deal with micro aggressions enough in my life and I have zero energy or tolerance for them at this point lol.[/QUOTE] Well this becomes an issue when you use your personal opinion of what constitutes a racist as the objective definition. "Racist" isn't something that you can throw around with impunity. Also I'd like you to actually rebut what I said and not just do a drive-by of shooting off tumblr tier responses with no actual proof. And the sources you do post leave out the context of what Trump says and does (thinkprogress *cough*).
[QUOTE=Starpluck;49959129]You are someone who likes to follow the crowd, likes a simpleton candidate and is easily persuaded by cheap salesman tactics and trumped up buzzwords. Its not that difficult.[/QUOTE] Actually the guy below you is more correct with the accelerationist (weird word) statement. You can look at my post history and repeatedly see that I honestly will vote for Trump (if it comes to it), because I think he will get stalled out in congress, and will force so many people to finally get involved and bring change instead of another mediocre status quo with Hilary Clinton. Amongst other reasons. You guys just need to understand that people might vote for Trump for more complicated reasons. [editline]18th March 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=RichyZ;49959139]tudd fudders... you were a legend... why have you fallen[/QUOTE] I probably fell a back in like 2012, and may have never even risen. Now forever to write in abyss of a forums.
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