• Battlefield 3 'Ultimate Shortcut' DLC costs £27.50 on Xbox Live (All 119 weapons, gadgets, and vehic
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Im finding it hard to be pissed off about this and here's why. If this was released when the game was released it be a terrible idea, people straight off the bat being able to buy power right when the game is released. But now, BF3 has been out for several months months now, most of the players who constantly come back to the game have most everything unlocked. So when a new guy or a casual player comes back they have to go up against people who have all the really good things...most example would be the vehicle unlocks, as a pilot, its hard as fuck to take down a person who has all the fancy perks in their aircraft and then i feel like a detriment to the team, not having all the fancy unlocks and im trying to fly the plane. Yes its still a cash in all in all, but i dont see it doing this great of harm now that we are 6 months in. now if this was released at the beginning of BF3 it would do terrible hurt to the community.
[QUOTE=Rents;35594636]Not really, you just don't have to grind, pay to win is when you pay for unbalanced shit you can't get otherwise.[/QUOTE] It still sounds like this is pretty much Pay to Win, you pay, get get the stuff unlocked, no more grinding, but you still have to buy it with the in-game currency. Sounds like a Pay to Win XP boost to unlock minus the actual XP boost. Edit: my bad
[QUOTE=garychencool;35594852]It still sounds like this is pretty much Pay to Win, you pay, get get the stuff unlocked, no more grinding, but you still have to buy it with the in-game currency. Sounds like a Pay to Win XP boost to unlock minus the actual XP boost.[/QUOTE]There is no in-game currency.
[QUOTE=garychencool;35594852]It still sounds like this is pretty much Pay to Win, you pay, get get the stuff unlocked, no more grinding, but you still have to buy it with the in-game currency. Sounds like a Pay to Win XP boost to unlock minus the actual XP boost.[/QUOTE] It's nothing like pay to win. For fucks sake it isn't a hard concept to grasp. You pay money, you lose gameplay to get weapons that [B]everybody[/B] can receive without working for them. The weapons are not straight up upgrades (for the most part), and you won't have any experience with using them. So you have no advantage other than the same selection of weapons everyone else has earned themselves.
The starting weapons in BF3 are superior to most other weapons in the game.
[QUOTE=garychencool;35594852]It still sounds like this is pretty much Pay to Win, you pay, get get the stuff unlocked, no more grinding, but you still have to buy it with the in-game currency. Sounds like a Pay to Win XP boost to unlock minus the actual XP boost.[/QUOTE] So it's like pay-to-win except you get stuff other people already have and you still have to grind up enough in game dosh to buy it as well? That's not pay-to-win.
[QUOTE=Rents;35594986]So it's like pay-to-win except you get stuff other people already have and you still have to grind up enough in game dosh to buy it as well? That's not pay-to-win.[/QUOTE]There is no in-game currency.
[QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;35595040]There is no in-game currency.[/QUOTE] Oh, I don't have BF3, but my point still stands.
Its not like having the later weapons makes you a better player, plus the shortcuts don't unlock weapon attachments either so they still have to work for those.
I dont really see why this is bad TBH If people are really THAT opposed to grinding to get the guns and are willing to pay for them, more power to them Its not like it gives you an unfair advantage or anything
ITT: You're a pussy unless you play your game the way I want you to play it. Fuck off and go play your game the way you like while I enjoy it the way I like.
[QUOTE=Tuskin;35596654]Its not like having the later weapons makes you a better player, plus the shortcuts don't unlock weapon attachments either so they still have to work for those.[/QUOTE] They do, however, unlock the vehicle attachments, which [b]are[/b] direct upgrades. And with a vehicle-oriented game like battlefield, that's a pretty big deal.
[QUOTE=garychencool;35594462]So this DLC is pretty much pay to win?[/QUOTE] I love how people throw those words around when it comes to unlocks. Pay to win means you are paying for a way unfair advantage. Also means APB Reloaded. THIS is an unlocker. You can get the guns normally through play OR you can unlock them all at once for those who wish to play but have limited time playing it. And the beginning guns you get are just fine IMO. People seem to associate unlocking more items means more powerful weapons. Which it isn't in most cases.
[QUOTE=legolover122;35596943]And the beginning guns you get are just fine IMO. People seem to associate unlocking more items means more powerful weapons. Which it isn't in most cases.[/QUOTE] Older, and single-player games have conditioned us to seeing later as better. Think, that sword you get in your favourite old RPG near the end of the game. How much better is it than your starter sword? Infinity + 1? You bet it is! The car you get last in that racing game you know and love from the early 2000s? Is it the fastest, most controllable thing since Pong? Oh god yes it is. People just associate endgame equipment as the best because that is what older games taught us. Even newer players do because that is how progression works, the later you get something, the more you worked for it, so the better it should be. But as this doesn't really work in a competitive multi-player (works fine in co-operative though), it just means every unlock should have equal cons for their pros.
It's their own loss whoever buys this It doesn't take long at all to unlock stuff and unlocking the stuff is part of the fun
I don't see why you guys are throwing a bitch fit about this. It's perfectly fine, really. First off, this didn't come out day 1. They waited an entire 6 months to release this. That gave plenty of time for casual players to unlock every single gun. If some idiot wants to drop 30 dollars to unlock something that I got for free, fucking let them.
[QUOTE=FunnyBunny;35597546]I don't see why you guys are throwing a bitch fit about this. It's perfectly fine, really. First off, this didn't come out day 1. They waited an entire 6 months to release this. That gave plenty of time for casual players to unlock every single gun. If some idiot wants to drop 30 dollars to unlock something that I got for free, fucking let them.[/QUOTE] Bad game design in the first place should not be rectified with a fucking $30 patch
[QUOTE=garychencool;35594852]It still sounds like this is pretty much Pay to Win[/QUOTE] It's literally the exact opposite. Battlefield has some of the most balanced gun play in any game ever. I constantly find myself going back to the starter guns for classes. The only one I could possibly see being better is the M82 for the sniper, but that's not even the same type of gun, the starter weapon is a semi automatic while the M82 is a bolt action. [editline]16th April 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=scout1;35597566]Bad game design in the first place should not be rectified with a fucking $30 patch[/QUOTE] Unlocking weapons as you level up isn't bad game design, it gives the player something to work for. It also lets them try all the guns as they progress. If they instantly gave you access to 100 weapons right when you start the game, everyone would just choose 5 they like and would never get around to trying any of the others.
[QUOTE=FunnyBunny;35597579] Unlocking weapons as you level up isn't bad game design, it gives the player something to work for. It also lets them try all the guns as they progress. If they instantly gave you access to 100 weapons right when you start the game, everyone would just choose 5 they like and would never get around to trying any of the others.[/QUOTE] Not if they [I]design the weapons right in the first place[/I]
I don't see the big deal You're going to get them anyways if you play the damn game.
[QUOTE=MrEndangered;35592935]I think we have a DLC that's worse than Horse Armor.[/QUOTE] But.. But it's not, lets be fair here. The weapon attachments arn't a huge advantage, personally i rock out the AK with no attachments, yet with other guns, i change depending on my situation (for example, magnification on sniper scopes based on map sizes) So consider the more casual gamer who doesn't have time to get every single attachment, but wants that instant gratification, that appeal that COD has. This way he loads the game, plays with it, does a 30 minute game and then goes along with his day (assumably, he has too much money to spare, but that point aside) And yet, guild wars has the exact same DLC formula, you can unlock *every* skill in the game by forking out money if you want too, for the casual pvp player. Honestly, it's not a big deal for me, and i'm damn sure it's not even DLC aimed at an audience such as facepunch, i could imagine my dad buying DLC like this, but never me or my brother.
Yeah this really isn't that bad... You just pay around fifty US- WAIT A MINUTE, FIFTY FUCKING DOLLARS? Who in the fuck would buy this shit, I mean really. This is almost as bad as railworks or EvE's 20 dollar monocle.
I can see this as good for casual players who play the game not everyday, but maybe 1-2 times a week who don't have the time to unlock a weapon they love. Personally i like working towards unlocking weapons. When you hit the next level and you get that little weapon dangling over your hud i just get all " :D ".
meh, i don't really see the problem with dlc like this i mean, it's not restricted only to those who pay for it, everyone else can still get it and i can see why people would want to buy this; if you pay for the unlocks, you're essentially putting in the time you spent working instead of time spent playing, and it will most likely take someone way less time to earn £27 than to unlock all of the content by grinding (unless you're either working illegally for less than minimum wage, or you're really, really good at grinding), after all not everyone has time to grind
[QUOTE=Uber|nooB;35598385]meh, i don't really see the problem with dlc like this i mean, it's not restricted only to those who pay for it, everyone else can still get it and i can see why people would want to buy this; if you pay for the unlocks, you're essentially putting in the time you spent working instead of time spent playing, and it will most likely take someone way less time to earn £27 than to unlock all of the content by grinding (unless you're either working illegally for less than minimum wage, or you're really, really good at grinding), after all not everyone has time to grind[/QUOTE] Like has been said: DLC (especially $40 DLC) should not exist to fix what is a problem with the game itself
[QUOTE=scout1;35598567]Like has been said: DLC (especially $40 DLC) should not exist to fix what is a problem with the game itself[/QUOTE] It's only a problem if you make it a problem. if you consider the game bad because you're one of those people that must have anything and everything then you should be playing an MMO, i never understood why people would grind to get unlocks on battlefield when you can get them in a much more fun way which is by playing the game instead of mindlessly sitting on metro spamming grenade launchers so a few pixels next to your name can say 45 instead of something lower
[QUOTE=Gareth;35598630]It's only a problem if you make it a problem. if you consider the game bad because you're one of those people that must have anything and everything then you should be playing an MMO, i never understood why people would grind to get unlocks on battlefield when you can get them in a much more fun way which is by playing the game instead of mindlessly sitting on metro spamming grenade launchers so a few pixels next to your name can say 45 instead of something lower[/QUOTE] I shouldn't need to have 40+ hours in the game just so I can have basic things like smoke launchers of flares, or better guns in a [B] competitive[/B] game
I can see why this would be helpful. I was almost the highest rank when my account got banned and I had to buy another copy. I cant really be fucked to level all of that stuff up again so i'll probably get this.
i kinda like this, though i dont have bf3 yet but when i played bc2, i got bored with grinding.
[QUOTE=Rents;35594636]pay to win is when you pay for unbalanced shit you can't get otherwise.[/QUOTE] That doesn't really apply to Battlefield Heroes, which is/was considered the [I]epitome[/I] pay-to-win game design. Thus your statement would be better rectified to: [QUOTE]pay to win is when you pay for unbalanced shit [B]that is impractical or impossible[/B] get otherwise.[/QUOTE] And even so, it doesn't apply to Battlefield 3 since that's got a very practical method of unlocking things. It'd be a whole different story if it had, for example, a system that randomly attributes seven items to you weekly.
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