• Congresswoman who proposed legislation to make “swatting” a federal crime falls victim to the hoax i
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[QUOTE=Pvt. Martin;49652602]Because you're wasting the resources of S.W.A.T., essentially the most major step in Police action BEFORE the National Guard is called up. That's why they want to make it an offense, because after 400 cases, I'm sure SWAT must be pretty pissed to have their boys gear up and drive out in bulletproof vehicles that cost ALOT of money, just to end up at some kid's house and learn that it was all a prank by some stooge with a small penis on the internet. So yeah, it's a Federal offense for a reason, precious resources and time of an important group are being wasted, and god help us if a Swatting incident occurs and then a real serious event, like a Bank Robbery with assault rifles (North Hollywood incident) were to occur at the same time. Then it would be resources, time, and precious lives on the line.[/QUOTE] I know how much it costs and what a waste it is, but it still doesn't warrant a federal crime in my opinion. The states and departments will save their budgets. Unless it's involving federal resources, it should remain up to the states.
[QUOTE=BusterBluth;49652699]It's not a prank, I have no clue why you would ever consider it that. It not only endangers people who are in the home but also the police responding. If you are so callous as to do this to someone then I really don't care if your labeled a felon or not.[/QUOTE] [I]I[/I] don't consider that. That's what people claim it to be, and the mindset behind those that do it is fairly juvenile typically. I feel like intent matters when it comes to the law.
[QUOTE=Code3Response;49652779]I know how much it costs and what a waste it is, but it still doesn't warrant a federal crime in my opinion. The states and departments will save their budgets. Unless it's involving federal resources, it should remain up to the states.[/QUOTE] Well... You're objectively wrong.
I'm behind Swatting being a federal crime. Intentionally wasting the time of the forces and putting someone in legitimate danger if something goes horribly wrong deserves a heavy handed punishment, no matter how much of a kick you get out of it. "It's just a prank" isn't an excuse for this.
[QUOTE=Snickerdoodle;49653117]I'm behind Swatting being a federal crime. Intentionally wasting the time of the forces and putting someone in legitimate danger if something goes horribly wrong deserves a heavy handed punishment, no matter how much of a kick you get out of it. "It's just a prank" isn't an excuse for this.[/QUOTE] Agreed. I'm just glad it didn't take someone getting shot for it to get this far.
This is [B]not[/B] prank level. It is not akin to calling the cops on someone's house.
[QUOTE=Code3Response;49652779]I know how much it costs and what a waste it is, but it still doesn't warrant a federal crime in my opinion. The states and departments will save their budgets. Unless it's involving federal resources, it should remain up to the states.[/QUOTE] Why dick around with the states for 60 years to get this made a felony in each and every state when you can do it on a federal level? And what if the person who calls the SWAT is in one state while their target is in another? Whose jurisdiction does that fall under? What if it's illegal in one state and not the other? Does the person will get charged? Just make it a federal law and be done with it.
Hate to say it but it's gone from a few pricks sending the police knocking on some streamer's door to a plethora of retards thinking it's funny to call in SWAT teams under the pretense of a hostage/murder-suicide situation. Someone's going to get killed, sooner or later. [QUOTE=Mattk0;49652675]I certainly hope most people realize that calling in a swat team on someone can result in fatalities very easily. Also, your pets die. If i go and kill your dog is that a prank? just a prank bro...[/QUOTE] Slightly off-topic, is it usually SWAT policy to kill dogs when they're called in? I understand when dogs show signs of aggression and start charging at officers but in general do they really kill them? Seems a little inhumane.
Well, that gives her a ton more ammunition for her legislation. Sucks that she was targetted, but a) thankfully nothing happened and b) she's probs gonna be a lot more determined to get this thing passed now.
Anyone who swats people just to get a quick laugh or because they think it's funny deserves to be in prison for years.
[QUOTE=GordonZombie;49656138]Hate to say it but it's gone from a few pricks sending the police knocking on some streamer's door to a plethora of retards thinking it's funny to call in SWAT teams under the pretense of a hostage/murder-suicide situation. Someone's going to get killed, sooner or later. Slightly off-topic, is it usually SWAT policy to kill dogs when they're called in? I understand when dogs show signs of aggression and start charging at officers but in general do they really kill them? Seems a little inhumane.[/QUOTE] I've had a SWAT team called on my house before. They knocked loudly, and when let in immediately told my father to restrain our dog, which he did. Granted, we have a golden retriever as opposed to a more menacing dog, but do keep in mind that police officers are people just like anyone else. If an aggressive dog charges at them as they enter what they consider to be a dangerous area, they're going to protect themselves as necessary. But they aren't going around shooting dogs for fun, no.
[QUOTE=woolio1;49652300]Conspiracy theorists it is, then![/QUOTE] That's a naive mindset
[QUOTE=Exho;49652025]I wonder if she did it herself to garner support for the bill. Obviously I agree with the bill but I wouldn't put it past a politician[/QUOTE] Except the blow back if she got found out would most likely kill the bill and her whole career and I doubt even a politician would be stupid enough to do something like that.
[QUOTE=proch;49656489]That's a naive mindset[/QUOTE] [I]Is it fucking really?[/I] No, I disagree. That would literally be the worst thing she could do for her bill, and the alternative (some kid doing it for shits and giggles) is so much simpler and far more likely. I get that the government isn't exactly trustworthy, but come on man. Life isn't an ABC crime drama. Have some sense. Also, you're kind of Polish, going by your flagdog. I'd imagine the political situation you're familiar with is somewhat different from ours.
People who even begin to posit that this swatting was a conspiracy on her part seem to have forgotten the horrible trend of internet users doing this for a laugh. There are so many people who do it, and don't realize how traumatic it is to suddenly have armed and armored people at your doorstep for no other reason than because some shit on 4chan thought it would be funny. And a very good reason that it's not defensible as a prank is that the people who leave "tips" like this do it anonymously and to people who have no idea they even exist. That is not a prank, that's a covert operation.
Really hope this passes ASAP. Swatting is bullshit and needs to be heavily punished.
[QUOTE=woolio1;49658549][I]Is it fucking really?[/I] No, I disagree. That would literally be the worst thing she could do for her bill, and the alternative (some kid doing it for shits and giggles) is so much simpler and far more likely. I get that the government isn't exactly trustworthy, but come on man. Life isn't an ABC crime drama. Have some sense. Also, you're kind of Polish, going by your flagdog. I'd imagine the political situation you're familiar with is somewhat different from ours.[/QUOTE] I mean, in general. Scratching seemingly implausible things off as "conspiracy humbug" right off the bat is exactly what enables shady people to pull shady shit. And it's not unreasonable to assume shady shit is happening all the time, or at the least occasionally, which is proven by history - it has happened before.
[QUOTE=usaokay;49658872]yo thinking that the congresswoman calling police on herself is asinine and trite AF Focus on the larger picture here. Calling SWAT on anyone for shits and giggles is one of the most terrible things ever. Swatting is a very fucking serious matter that could result in physical or emotional damages. I really doubt a congresswoman, a person with significance professional experience than any one of us schmucks, would dare to call the SWAT team on herself just to reinforce a bill that could easily be passed due to past swatting crimes. If I hit my head repeatedly with a bat, then I too might call SWAT on myself. or is the whole conspiracy theory just a poor attempt at a joke?[/QUOTE] People tend to mix up the definitions of "possible" and "likely". It is POSSIBLE that she did it to herself. It is UNLIKELY that she did it to herself. Both statements have different meanings and both are 100% true and do not conflict with each other. As far as saying "I wouldn't be surprised if it turns out she did it to herself", well that's a matter of personal views of what people are capable of doing. I've seen some fucked up shit happen, and that's why it wouldn't surprise me. Not because of who she personally is, but because in general I've seen way more unlikely things turn out to be true.
[QUOTE=proch;49659336]I mean, in general. Scratching seemingly implausible things off as "conspiracy humbug" right off the bat is exactly what enables shady people to pull shady shit. And it's not unreasonable to assume shady shit is happening all the time, or at the least occasionally, which is proven by history - it has happened before.[/QUOTE] You know for a polish kind of person you seem pretty reasonable in your understanding of possible motive.
[QUOTE=proch;49659336]I mean, in general. Scratching seemingly implausible things off as "conspiracy humbug" right off the bat is exactly what enables shady people to pull shady shit. And it's not unreasonable to assume shady shit is happening all the time, or at the least occasionally, which is proven by history - it has happened before.[/QUOTE] It's not seemingly implausible, it's hilariously implausible. This is a bill to make SWATting a federal crime, not a bill to make murder legal or ban and confiscate all guns; you know, something significant. In the grand scheme of things, this bill is insignificant. Governments and politicians do pull shady shit, but a politician SWATing herself, and potentially getting herself killed, to forward an trivial agenda is an absolutely retarded concept. If you told me Diane Feinstein staged a faux assassination so she could push a bill to ban handguns, then I would believe that. But a nobody politician staging a SWAT to push her SWAT crime bill? Naw man, come back to the real world.
[QUOTE=phygon;49652810][I]I[/I] don't consider that. That's what people claim it to be, and the mindset behind those that do it is fairly juvenile typically. I feel like intent matters when it comes to the law.[/QUOTE] I cannot believe you're actually saying this, that's wholly retarded
[QUOTE=theevilldeadII;49651939]great job, to the moron who did this to the judge there just going to past it faster now[/QUOTE] And then we won't be able to waste our governments time and money when someone else might need it god damn good job stupid :downs: Swatting is dumb
[QUOTE=phygon;49652550]Yeah, I don't really see why doing what most people would consider to be a prank on someone would result in federal crime status. People seem to not realize how bad being a felon is. Your life is essentially over immediately.[/QUOTE] "IT'S JUST A PRANK BRO" he yelled as he got shot because it looked like he was holding a weapon as the police stormed your house.
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