• Apple announces 27" iMac with 5120x2880 display
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[QUOTE=lifehole;46260343]4k is coming but how fast it will come is debatable. I just bought an entirely new comp for 1k$, and it runs 1080p at max at about 40-60fps. For gaming enthusiasts willing to shell out 2500-4000$ for a new computer, or the imac, sure. (The specs on this 2500 variant don't really look like it would support a modern game maxed out with this res, but maybe?) Even consoles that only came out 2 years ago (previous ones lasted, what, 7 years?) don't even support 4k. The 1k$ TV I bought last christmas was a 1080p one. and I'm sure many others did too and aren't going to throw it out for a new one for a few years. Eventually we'll probably see another big transition as TV prices for 4k go down and new versions of current gen or next gen consoles hit the market. We'll probably see a lot of PC 2(already happening)-4k gaming earlier as soon as some hardware in the mid price range comes out that can handle 4k. If all that happens in 2 years or 7, I dunno.[/QUOTE] To be fair, the PS4 doesn't have half of the features of the PS3 yet. You can go out and get a off brand 39 inch 4k television for $399 right now. A name branded 55 inch 4k will cost between $999 and $1299. There is content being made and with 4k blue rays coming and streaming services getting more and more content I think next year is when 4K is taken much more seriously.
[QUOTE=callumshell;46255065]I've heard the colours become all fucked after a few years of use, and that's just on a smartphone which isn't used much compared to a monitor.[/QUOTE] I still have the Samsung Galaxy S1 and the colours are as bright and vivid as at the first day, no burn ins, nothing.
[QUOTE=Killuah;46260697]I still have the Samsung Galaxy S1 and the colours are as bright and vivid as at the first day, no burn ins, nothing.[/QUOTE] My Galaxy S1 has burn in and it's 50 nits dimmer than it was when I got it according to my i1Pro 2. [editline]17th October 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=thelurker1234;46254593]How's that dumb? Amoleds have beautiful colors and pretty much perfect blacks.[/QUOTE] There is nothing inherent about AMOLED that gives it any better color than an LCD.
[QUOTE=Kaabii;46261284]My Galaxy S1 has burn in and it's 50 nits dimmer than it was when I got it according to my i1Pro 2. [editline]17th October 2014[/editline] There is nothing inherent about AMOLED that gives it any better color than an LCD.[/QUOTE] On a similar note, my GNex has a very obvious yellow "tint" to it, from the blue sub-pixels aging. Its noticeable on full screen apps because the areas where the status bar and on screen buttons are are noticeably "blue-er". Obviously, newer devices may have it a little better about it, but I don't think OLED is mature enough for a computer monitor. You can sort of get away with it on a phone because its not on the entire time you use it.
[QUOTE=Sir Whoopsalot;46252859]Starts at 2499 dollars. Considering what 4K monitors cost, that's legitimately surprising.[/QUOTE] samsung 28" uhd(4k) monitor for 500$ [URL]http://www.bestbuy.com/site/samsung-ud590-series-28-led-uhd-monitor-black/5484022.p?id=1219133600805&skuId=5484022[/URL] apple just overpricin again
[QUOTE=Wii60;46261411]samsung 28" uhd(4k) monitor for 500$ [URL]http://www.bestbuy.com/site/samsung-ud590-series-28-led-uhd-monitor-black/5484022.p?id=1219133600805&skuId=5484022[/URL] apple just overpricin again[/QUOTE] I have that exact monitor. It's amazing.
[QUOTE=Wii60;46261411]samsung 28" uhd(4k) monitor for 500$ [URL]http://www.bestbuy.com/site/samsung-ud590-series-28-led-uhd-monitor-black/5484022.p?id=1219133600805&skuId=5484022[/URL] apple just overpricin again[/QUOTE] Its not just a monitor though.
[QUOTE=Wii60;46261411]samsung 28" uhd(4k) monitor for 500$ [URL]http://www.bestbuy.com/site/samsung-ud590-series-28-led-uhd-monitor-black/5484022.p?id=1219133600805&skuId=5484022[/URL] apple just overpricin again[/QUOTE] You realize that's a TN right? Not even remotely comparable. If you don't actually know anything about displays don't form an opinion on what is overpriced and what isn't because it's going to end up being wrong.
[QUOTE=Kaabii;46261617]You realize that's a TN right? Not even remotely comparable. If you don't actually know anything about displays don't form an opinion on what is overpriced and what isn't because it's going to end up being wrong.[/QUOTE] Its also only 30 hz, which most 4k monitors in that price range tend to be. I would imagine the Apple one is at least 60 hz, because 30 is pretty....ugh.
[QUOTE=Kaabii;46261617]You realize that's a TN right? Not even remotely comparable. If you don't actually know anything about displays don't form an opinion on what is overpriced and what isn't because it's going to end up being wrong.[/QUOTE] And don't bother going into a debate on displays with Kaabii, you'll very very likely lose.
[QUOTE=Demache;46261884]Its also only 30 hz, which most 4k monitors in that price range tend to be. I would imagine the Apple one is at least 60 hz, because 30 is pretty....ugh.[/QUOTE] It's 60hz if you use DP. 30hz@4K is a limitation with the current HDMI handwidth for all monitors.
[QUOTE=alien_guy;46261563]Its not just a monitor though.[/QUOTE] yes you buy a computer that has better hardware with the rest of the money you save rather have 4k with awesome hardware than 5k with mac approved hardware like laptop graphics chips in a desktop
[QUOTE=Wii60;46262094]yes you buy a computer that has better hardware with the rest of the money you save rather have 4k with awesome hardware than 5k with mac approved hardware like laptop graphics chips in a desktop[/QUOTE] What works for you doesn't mean it works for everyone else. Some people and workspace needs AIO systems instead of having a tower to save space and maintenance. This is especially true for media design companies. If you personally don't like it, then don't buy it. Why does it matter to you on how other people decides to spend their money?
[QUOTE=Demache;46261884]Its also only 30 hz, which most 4k monitors in that price range tend to be. I would imagine the Apple one is at least 60 hz, because 30 is pretty....ugh.[/QUOTE] No, Samsung's 28" is 60Hz. The 30Hz one is Dell's garbage 28" one. Samsung's 28" TN is actually very good for anyone who wants massive real-estate, but it is not usable for media/content production which is a huge portion of the Apple userbase and so the 28" TN UHD panels do not compete with the iMac and vice versa. There's no comparison to be made there. The actual comparison is Dell's UP3214Q, until they release their 27" 5120x2880 anyway. With that in mind, the new iMac is actually very reasonably priced, but you need to take into account that it cannot function as a monitor alone. Apple is doing some eDP trickery inside to drive it as a single 5120x2880 tile which is impressive (this is also why they moved back to AMD GPUs), but it also means that there's no way to drive it as a display with some sort of dual DP1.2 config. I actually don't know if I'm breaking NDAs with any of this so I'm going to stop talking about how Apple set it up.
[QUOTE=B!N4RY;46262176] If you personally don't like it, then don't buy it. Why does it matter to you on how other people decides to spend their money?[/QUOTE] I am only speaking my opinion , I don't plan to force my opinion onto people or change how they think. Just trying to think of the best use of money.
I got ASUS PB287Q for less than 600€. Personally I'd say 4k and over is worth every penny. It looks way better than 1080, not any 2nd coming of jesus, but what surprised me the most is that after 2 months of using it, 1080 monitors hurt my eyes and actually make me feel like there is something wrong with my vision. 4k looks absolutely natural and pleasant for eyes and in the end, that is the best part of it. Also, Valve games run great at 4k.
[QUOTE=Kaabii;46262255] Apple is doing some eDP trickery inside to drive it as a single 5120x2880 tile which is impressive (this is also why they moved back to AMD GPUs),[/QUOTE] Wait, how are these related?
[QUOTE=Sir Whoopsalot;46262572]Wait, how are these related?[/QUOTE] I can't say.
Edit: People have already worked out how Apple is driving a 5K screen off a single DisplayPort connection, it's not a secret. [QUOTE=Kaabii;46260088]No Windows does not implement scaling the way OS X does. To begin with, there's no system-wide backing scale that runs in only 2 modes. Individual scaling needs to be done on a per-element basis per-app, and is also affected by whatever setting the user has chosen at the system level. Second of all, it doesn't do 2x offscreen rendering when using a non-integer scaling percentage in the same manner as OS X rendering 2x the resolution and then downscaling to the panel. Finally, the scaling and filtering are not custom filters designed for quality priority across any GPU, they use whatever is provided by GPU vendors which varies. These last two points mean that doing non-integer downscaling on OS X will always look sharper than using something like 150% DPI scaling on Windows. The biggest issue on Windows is the fact that any Win32 app needs to be vastly overhauled if not rewritten, which is way too much to ask of developers, especially ones of massive applications like Photoshop. Nobody using Cocoa on OS X had to do that. That's why OS X has a HiDPI aware Photoshop with a 1:1 canvas and 4:1 controls, and on Windows it has absolutely no HiDPI awareness. Adobe has publicly stated that they're not going to work on this until Microsoft provides a better solution on their end.[/QUOTE] Well there's multiple issues, from a "How do I enable it" standpoint it's the same (Apps need to opt-into it on OS X and Windows). Layout wise it's a pretty simple scale factor for measurements (Which the old Win95 era APIs support natively actually), so something like WPF will do that just as well as Cocoa would. But you are right, OS X has a much coarser method of scaling to Windows, OS X can do 1x or 2x scaling and that's it, while Windows can do 1x, 1.25x, 1.5x, 2x and 3x. But that means that when displayed at 1.5x it doesn't have to do any scaling for DPI aware apps, they just draw at 1.5x (While on OS X it has to render at 2x and downscale on the GPU) DPI unaware apps are exactly the same on OS X and Windows (Rendered at 1x and upscaled) On the flip side, because OS X has only 1x and 2x, it can use the simplest filtering the GPU offers for scaling apps, while Windows needs to use something better (Bilinear) because of all the different scales. And you definitely don't need to re-write apps for DPI scaling, you really just need to audit measuring code, graphical elements and any off screen drawing to make sure it's updated (And contrary to what you say, you definitely needed to do that for Cocoa). Any offscreen drawing requires the developer to read the screen scale and change all measurements and sizing to make sure everything works out right (Which strangely enough Adobe does, because their UI is custom and they do all scaling themselves, except on Windows where they just do it wrong)
[QUOTE=MiX-A;46262498]I got ASUS PB287Q for less than 600€. Personally I'd say 4k and over is worth every penny. It looks way better than 1080, not any 2nd coming of jesus, but what surprised me the most is that after 2 months of using it, 1080 monitors hurt my eyes and actually make me feel like there is something wrong with my vision. 4k looks absolutely natural and pleasant for eyes and in the end, that is the best part of it. Also, Valve games run great at 4k.[/QUOTE] How's the DPI scaling? Does everything look ridiculously small or have you got things reasonably sized?
[QUOTE=.Lain;46255934]nobody wants a 32/36" computer monitor.[/QUOTE] Eh. Can't speak for others, but it's amazing how much you can do at 2560x1600 at 30". Great for stuff like programming. It's like dual monitors but all one big continuous screen (and not so wide).
[QUOTE=TheDecryptor;46266726]Edit: People have already worked out how Apple is driving a 5K screen off a single DisplayPort connection, it's not a secret.[/QUOTE] Most of the speculation is wrong, and a lot of sites are reporting that it's a dual DP 1.2 config which is wrong. The most accurate is the idea that it's an overclocked DP interface and extremely tight timings, but Apple had do work with AMD to make that all happen.
Meanwhile, you can still buy the 13 inch non-retina MacBook Pro with the horrible 1280x800 screen for $1100
Has a graphic design what benefits will I gain from upgrading to a AMD Radeon R9 M295X 4GB GDDR5 graphics card from a AMD Radeon R9 M290X 2GB GDDR5? Is it worth the £200? And what's the difference between SSD and Flash storage, I have read that Flash is 2.5x faster which is hard to believe, but possible?
[QUOTE=1 Duck;46275523]Has a graphic design what benefits will I gain from upgrading to a AMD Radeon R9 M295X 4GB GDDR5 graphics card from a AMD Radeon R9 M290X 2GB GDDR5? Is it worth the £200? And what's the difference between SSD and Flash storage, I have read that Flash is 2.5x faster which is hard to believe, but possible?[/QUOTE] Depends on what you're doing, if the card isn't a problem then you shouldn't upgrade before it is. SSD and flash is the same, I'm pretty sure. There are different types of flash storage, SSDs are really just the term that is used when talking about flash storage in computers.
[QUOTE=1 Duck;46275523]Has a graphic design what benefits will I gain from upgrading to a AMD Radeon R9 M295X 4GB GDDR5 graphics card from a AMD Radeon R9 M290X 2GB GDDR5? Is it worth the £200? And what's the difference between SSD and Flash storage, I have read that Flash is 2.5x faster which is hard to believe, but possible?[/QUOTE] Just to clear something up, SSD = flash storage. The only difference here is that where most SSDs are connected with SATA, Apple's moved to using PCI-e. It's considerably faster than SATA SSD.
[QUOTE=Kaabii;46262632]I can't say.[/QUOTE] Anandtech wrote that it's likely because AMD is one of the developers of the DP standard, and that the DP was simply overclocked for higher throughput. Not that I know much about this. Edit: Oh, I should have read this page before posting.
i want to see that screen irl so bad
[QUOTE=Havolis;46275839]i want to see that screen irl so bad[/QUOTE] Good thing about Apple is how much they pay for distributing their products so they can be viewed in a store. Here in Denmark we don't even have Apple stores, but instead we have "official reseller" stores or something like that, and they are basically Apple stores with another name.
[QUOTE=Warship;46275966]Good thing about Apple is how much they pay for distributing their products so they can be viewed in a store. Here in Denmark we don't even have Apple stores, but instead we have "official reseller" stores or something like that, and they are basically Apple stores with another name.[/QUOTE] same in lebanon, i doubt they're ever going to put it in display here though...
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