[QUOTE=_Axel;51050197]What difference does it make whether you tip or pay the same extra money for a meal?
Why would it be cheaper to tip the waiters than pay for their salary through the meal itself?[/QUOTE]
It's not cheaper for the consumer, it's cheaper for the company. The company could give a shit less if you get tipped and end up with enough money to pay bills.
[QUOTE=Kylel999;51050125]Honestly you should feel obligated. A $8 burger would be probably be $15 if it wasn't for the way they pay the servers. Restaurants already re-invest 80-90% of earnings back into food and supplies as it is, so something would have to change if they're not getting tipped[/QUOTE]
that'd probably be the change to food prices if for every server working at the restaurant, they only had one customer every one or two hours. That burger costs the restaurant pennies on the dollar to order and maybe $2 worth of a chef's attention to assemble and you're worried about their profit margin when it comes to paying a human minimum wage to be their conduit to customer experiences? Tip culture has always been a scapegoat for expanding profit at the cost of the employee. There's no other country on the planet that tells customers the cost of their meal doesn't cover the only person they actually interact with. Hell, in a good number of countries it's [i]insulting[/i] to give a tip because it implies you think they're dirt poor and can't make a living
look at this shit-
[quote]The American federal government requires a wage of at least $2.13 per hour be paid to employees that receive at least $30 per month in tips. If wages and tips do not equal the federal minimum wage of $7.25 per hour during any pay period, the employer is required to increase cash wages to compensate.[/quote]
you know what's great about this? Skeezy managers can treat cash tips as a subjective thing since it's the waiter's job to report their earnings to the company to ensure they're keeping up with the above requirement of maintaining minimum wage income. It's not just free money that waiters pocket, it's counted as part of their paycheck and actively used as a bargaining chip to say the company doesn't have to pay them much because they're getting enough out of the tips. Of all my friends who've worked as waiters, I can't remember one who [I]hasn't [/I]said a manager claimed they were lying about their tip income when they earned too little in a week, so the company only had to pay out [b]$83.07[/b] per 39* hour workweek instead of the $282.75 they're obligated to fill in, due to a shit week of customers stiffing the waiter. And don't get me started on stories of how the average customer acts/tips, especially for pizza delivery
*39 hours because let's be honest, if you're not only working a 12 hour barebones schedule because fuck you, you're working 39 because they get the most out of you without having to consider you a full time employee with different taxes and demands for income and job security
and on what doc zedacon is saying, yeah tipping [i]should[/i] be a reward for good service, but it's not a reward to have customers determine whether you can even take minimum wage home and it's a lie that waiters will be better if there's the risk/reward of having to treat customers good. Getting tips comes almost entirely at random, you can be all smiles and sunshine for a table of 8 people with a hefty bill that should leave you 30+ in tips, and one guy will leave 3 bucks at his seat. You may have been too flustered by how often you had to tend to that one table and accidentally neglected the single dude who just ordered coffee and toast next to them, but he drops a 10 dollar tip because that's just what he does when he goes out. I have a friend who waited at an olive garden, and now he'll leave a guaranteed $20 tip when he eats out, it's ridiculous but it's his custom after having to live through that garbage
these ridiculous discussions is why I avoid eating anywhere that has tipping altogether
ill stick to gas station food thanks
I'm kinda a huge fucker so I'll drop 10-15 bucks on cute waitresses/generally good service. I make 11 an hour so these people on 2 bucks an hr need it
[QUOTE=Kylel999;51050125]Honestly you should feel obligated. A $8 burger would be probably be $15 if it wasn't for the way they pay the servers. Restaurants already re-invest 80-90% of earnings back into food and supplies as it is, so something would have to change if they're not getting tipped[/QUOTE]
$8 is too much for a burger already
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[QUOTE=ilikecorn;51050294]I do feel bad. But in all honesty if you can't pay attention to the task at hand long enough for me to say "yea i feel like you should get some cash", then you really don't deserve the cash. My standards are INCREDIBLY low. Like, you have to actively not give a fuck to not get a tip from me.[/QUOTE]
I like when a waiter comes and checks on me, refills water, etc., but I get annoyed if they stop to say hi every time they walk by. I get that it's good service, but it's also sort of interrupting the atmosphere for me.
Here's something that may be related in a way: I heard that Europeans spend hours at a restaurant. That, when sitting down for a meal, a European might order their food, have a conversation with their dinner partner, finish the meal, continue the conversation, have some coffee, maybe some dessert, etc., and be there for like, 2, or 3 hours.
This, to me, sounds odd. I always feel like a jerk for staying at a restaurant for too long (I get bored too), because I'm not ordering anything while sitting there so I'm just taking up a table which could be earning a waiter more tips.
Nowhere do I feel more pressure to leave as soon as I'm done than Korean restaurants. Normally, at an American restaurant, the waiter will either wait for you to ask for a check, or will ask you if you'd like the check once they see that you've been sitting there, done for the last 15 minutes. However, at Korean restaurants, as soon as they see you're done, they bring you the check without asking. I'm fine with this, since I leave as soon as I'm done eating, but if I want to stay longer you can order Soju or something, as long as the tips keep coming.
Can any Europeans confirm this practice, of staying at a restaurant long past the end of the meal?
I always tip if I go for a sit down meal. If I've just spent £60-70 on a meal, it's not a big ask to sling the waiter 7 quid.
[QUOTE=proboardslol;51050451]$8 is too much for a burger already
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I like when a waiter comes and checks on me, refills water, etc., but I get annoyed if they stop to say hi every time they walk by. I get that it's good service, but it's also sort of interrupting the atmosphere for me.
Here's something that may be related in a way: I heard that Europeans spend hours at a restaurant. That, when sitting down for a meal, a European might order their food, have a conversation with their dinner partner, finish the meal, continue the conversation, have some coffee, maybe some dessert, etc., and be there for like, 2, or 3 hours.
This, to me, sounds odd. I always feel like a jerk for staying at a restaurant for too long (I get bored too), because I'm not ordering anything while sitting there so I'm just taking up a table which could be earning a waiter more tips.
Nowhere do I feel more pressure to leave as soon as I'm done than Korean restaurants. Normally, at an American restaurant, the waiter will either wait for you to ask for a check, or will ask you if you'd like the check once they see that you've been sitting there, done for the last 15 minutes. However, at Korean restaurants, as soon as they see you're done, they bring you the check without asking. I'm fine with this, since I leave as soon as I'm done eating, but if I want to stay longer you can order Soju or something, as long as the tips keep coming.
Can any Europeans confirm this practice, of staying at a restaurant long past the end of the meal?[/QUOTE]
Yeah I can confirm, if they're staying you're doing a good job or they themselves are just having a good time, for me it was mostly couples from the theatre down the street and they'd finish their meal but stay for coffee and such, was good.
Shame the nice customers and atmosphere is ruined by shithead managers for me, heh.
[QUOTE=dai;51050215]*39 hours because let's be honest, if you're not only working a 12 hour barebones schedule because fuck you, you're working 39 because they get the most out of you without having to consider you a full time employee with different taxes and demands for income and job security[/QUOTE]
I could be wrong on this, or maybe it's unique to California, or something, but I thought that "full time" was anything over 35 hours for that exact reason - that employers were trying to get away with "oh it's not 40 hours so it's not full time".
Now granted that doesn't stop them from doing a 34 hour work week, but....
I usually tip around 15%-20% to the nearest whole number for places I like.
But it feels like such an obligation anymore. I guess I'm trying to make up for the time I forgot to tip the pizza deliver guy once.
[QUOTE=proboardslol;51050451]$8 is too much for a burger already
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I like when a waiter comes and checks on me, refills water, etc., but I get annoyed if they stop to say hi every time they walk by. I get that it's good service, but it's also sort of interrupting the atmosphere for me.
Here's something that may be related in a way: I heard that Europeans spend hours at a restaurant. That, when sitting down for a meal, a European might order their food, have a conversation with their dinner partner, finish the meal, continue the conversation, have some coffee, maybe some dessert, etc., and be there for like, 2, or 3 hours.
This, to me, sounds odd. I always feel like a jerk for staying at a restaurant for too long (I get bored too), because I'm not ordering anything while sitting there so I'm just taking up a table which could be earning a waiter more tips.
Nowhere do I feel more pressure to leave as soon as I'm done than Korean restaurants. Normally, at an American restaurant, the waiter will either wait for you to ask for a check, or will ask you if you'd like the check once they see that you've been sitting there, done for the last 15 minutes. However, at Korean restaurants, as soon as they see you're done, they bring you the check without asking. I'm fine with this, since I leave as soon as I'm done eating, but if I want to stay longer you can order Soju or something, as long as the tips keep coming.
Can any Europeans confirm this practice, of staying at a restaurant long past the end of the meal?[/QUOTE]
It's not uncommon to stay after you've eaten and have a few drinks and a coffee before you leave
[QUOTE=Doozle;51050521]It's not uncommon to stay after you've eaten and have a few drinks and a coffee before you leave[/QUOTE]
How long would you normally spend in a restaurant, if you're not busy that day and have nothing to get to? A German on reddit said it was common to spend a few hours there. An American, visiting friends in Germany wasn't prepared to make an evening of the dinner and ended up bored
Staying after you eat isn't uncommon for American diners either, I normally like to stay a few minutes, digest a bit, think about dessert and finish my beer or order another drink. Not always, but if I'm having a good time I might be in the restaurant for an hour or so after I've eaten. I went to a fondue
place that served 4 course meals but with intentional time between each course and we were inside for almost 3 hours, but we had fun so it wasn't a drag.
Normally I always tip 20% because its easiest - take 10% of the bill and double it. I'll leave a shitty tip is if the waiter really sucks (I understand if you're really busy but if I dont see or hear from you for 30 minutes, that bothers me).
Oh and being rushed out is the reason I always tip like shit at buffets, (besides the fact that they don't do jack shit except fill a drink, and even then they give you a hard time about a refill) I don't really respect having the check thrown in my face when I'm still eating, either
I usually tip around 30-50%, as long as the service is "acceptable." Servers make jack shit, and I like making people's day.
[QUOTE=Kylel999;51050562]Staying after you eat isn't uncommon for American diners either, I normally like to stay a few minutes, digest a bit, think about dessert and finish my beer or order another drink. Not always, but if I'm having a good time I might be in the restaurant for an hour or so after I've eaten. I went to a fondue
place that served 4 course meals but with intentional time between each course and we were inside for almost 3 hours, but we had fun so it wasn't a drag.
Normally I always tip 20% because its easiest - take 10% of the bill and double it. I'll leave a shitty tip is if the waiter really sucks (I understand if you're really busy but if I dont see or hear from you for 30 minutes, that bothers me).
Oh and being rushed out is the reason I always tip like shit at buffets, (besides the fact that they don't do jack shit except fill a drink, and even then they give you a hard time about a refill) I don't really respect having the check thrown in my face when I'm still eating, either[/QUOTE]
I prefer to eat and leave, so I don't mind it when they do this, but I only ever see Asian places (more often Korean, but that's just what is mostly in my area) do this. It's perfect for me, though
The best tip you could give them is "I don't tip". Bonus if you offer it to them for free after they are outraged for you not tipping.
[QUOTE=geel9;51050589]I usually tip around 30-50%, as long as the service is "acceptable." Servers make jack shit, and I like making people's day.[/QUOTE]
...50% tip? Christ, dude. Maybe if it's somewhere cheap but if it's an expensive restaurant fuck that
This one time I served a couple a bottle of wine that was $140, they finished it and then they ordered a second one, with food their bill came out to $350. I got a 20% tip, which was $70 - I was psyched
[QUOTE=Kylel999;51050675]...50% tip? Christ, dude. Maybe if it's somewhere cheap but if it's an expensive restaurant fuck that
This one time I served a couple a bottle of wine that was $140, they finished it and then they ordered a second one, with food their bill came out to $350. I got a 20% tip, which was $70 - I was psyched[/QUOTE]
Sure, I'm not tipping $1,000 on a $2,000 bill, but most places I go to are standard "middle-ground" restaurants, where bills usually don't exceed $60-80 for 2 people.
[QUOTE=geel9;51050678]Sure, I'm not tipping $1,000 on a $2,000 bill, but most places I go to are standard "middle-ground" restaurants, where bills usually don't exceed $60-80 for 2 people.[/QUOTE]
Totally. Though if you can afford to spend $2,000 on a meal, the extra $1,000 probably isn't a huge deal to you :v:
[QUOTE=geel9;51050678]Sure, I'm not tipping $1,000 on a $2,000 bill, but most places I go to are standard "middle-ground" restaurants, where bills usually don't exceed $60-80 for 2 people.[/QUOTE]
That's quite a bit, still, IMO
[QUOTE=biodude94566;51050512]I could be wrong on this, or maybe it's unique to California, or something, but I thought that "full time" was anything over 35 hours for that exact reason - that employers were trying to get away with "oh it's not 40 hours so it's not full time".
Now granted that doesn't stop them from doing a 34 hour work week, but....[/QUOTE]
40 here in IL last I heard, but like you say there it's kind of a moot point because employers will just start doing a 34 to get the most they can while dodging the added responsibility. I know at the office max I used to work at, it was blatant that they would rather hire a new person and cut everybody's hours down to accomodate them, than to allow any of the employees to reach a 40 hour week. Cheaper to run X minimum wage hours with no benefits among 5 people than to have 4 people require extra taxes paid just for existing, etc
[QUOTE=Kylel999;51050689]Totally. Though if you can afford to spend $2,000 on a meal, the extra $1,000 probably isn't a huge deal to you :v:[/QUOTE]
I get the feeling anyone rich enough to not care about extravagant dinner costs would also be the type to whip out a calculator to figure out a bare minimum tip
If the waiter is friendly I will usually leave $10. I don't go out to eat a lot, so this doesn't cost me much in the long run. If they were very busy but were still friendly and attentive I'll leave $20. I have tipped $20 for a $10 burger :v:
In my opinion a waiter only has one job and that's to take my order and bring it to me. They don't have to make me laugh or feel at home. That's why I tip when they do.
[QUOTE=Kylel999;51050689]Totally. Though if you can afford to spend $2,000 on a meal, the extra $1,000 probably isn't a huge deal to you :v:[/QUOTE]
I mean, I can "afford" a $3,000 bill in the sense that I have the money in my account for it, but the idea of such a meal is ludicrous to me.
[QUOTE=proboardslol;51050693]That's quite a bit, still, IMO[/QUOTE]
Sure, but that's my prerogative.
[QUOTE=_Axel;51050099]I don't understand this, why would you tip for poor quality service? If tipping is truly supposed to work as an incentive then surely you shouldn't have to tip waiters who give below average service?[/QUOTE]
That's what it used to be. Corporations bastardised it into "You pay our waiter's wages for us, and if you have a problem with it you're going against our culture".
Thank god we have things in order over here. It's nice to know that I'm tipping because I want to, not because they need me to.
Another thing I don't get is tipping proportionally to the meal price. Why should a waiter be tipped more just because he happened to serve a more costly meal? It doesn't take any more effort to do.
[QUOTE=_Axel;51050726]Another thing I don't get is tipping proportionally to the meal price. Why should a waiter be tipped more just because he happened to serve a more costly meal? It doesn't take any more effort to do.[/QUOTE]
Usually, because it means they're serving more food to more people, which increases the amount of work they have to do.
Anyone here tip the chef when your food is excellent?
[QUOTE=Grenadiac;51050747]Anyone here tip the chef when your food is excellent?[/QUOTE]
AFAIK chefs get salaries. At least, when I worked at the Alamo Drafthouse they did. The waiters get less than minimum wage
[QUOTE=geel9;51050730]Usually, because it means they're serving more food to more people, which increases the amount of work they have to do.[/QUOTE]
Would make more sense to give a flat amount per meal/drink served than have it be proportional to price then.
[QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;51050095]I mean, if the server just takes our orders then fucks off and never comes back except maybe to deliver the bill, no, you get little if anything as a tip. But if you're returning regularly to make sure our needs and demands are met and the quality is good, then thats deserving of compensation. Because frankly they can just take orders then have bussers run the food out, not check if the food is good quality, not check if we need additional service like condiments or added flatware/silverware, have no further involvement. And in that case there is no difference between you and the person at the counter of a burger king. You're not actually making it a personalized experience with us as customers.[/QUOTE]
Man I hate this so much though. Like if I have a problem or I need something ill ask, otherwise just leave us the fuck alone and stop interrupting the meal.
So I'm assuming tipping is a thing in some way in England. And _Axel, I'm assuming based on your reactions that tipping isn't a thing in France? If you tipped someone in france, what would their reaction be?
There's no tipping in Japan and Korea, and I've heard that if you tip a waiter, they'll get angry at you. To them, it's like saying "I make more money than you; you make nothing; you need my help, here's some pity money".
Apparently waiters are paid well in Korea
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[QUOTE=Kenneth;51050763]Man I hate this so much though. Like if I have a problem or I need something ill ask, otherwise just leave us the fuck alone and stop interrupting the meal.[/QUOTE]
You're German, how long can you expect to stay at a restaurant in Germany?
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