• Hotelier forbids tipping at his restaurant
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[QUOTE=proboardslol;51050751]AFAIK chefs get salaries. At least, when I worked at the Alamo Drafthouse they did. The waiters get less than minimum wage[/QUOTE] Median income for chefs is below the poverty line, actually, IIRC It's just a show of gratitude anyway, you rarely see the guys who make your food so leaving a little for them lets them know they did good. Tipping isn't really about making up for a bad wage.
[QUOTE=Grenadiac;51050777]Median income for chefs is below the poverty line, actually[/QUOTE] Doesn't mean they're not salaried. Tipping is because waiters get less than minimum wage and require tips to meet the minimum wage (or get fired for poor performance). Chefs get at least minimum wage, or more, depending
[QUOTE=proboardslol;51050771]And _Axel, I'm assuming based on your reactions that tipping isn't a thing in France? If you tipped someone in france, what would their reaction be?[/QUOTE] I have never seen anyone do it myself, we have a word for it though (pourboire). Basically you're supposed to do it when you receive excellent service. (Or if you're making a move on the waitress I guess) Also, I don't think that's the case elsewhere, but drinks cost a ton in Paris. Yesterday evening I went to a bar with friends and paid 5€ for a pint of beer that would have cost me about 5 times less if I were to buy it at a mall. Surely all that money must go to waiters and the owner. I don't feel like they are underpaid.
[QUOTE=proboardslol;51050771]So I'm assuming tipping is a thing in some way in England.[/QUOTE] The only way in which I can think of where it is a "tip" is when the restaurants charge a service charge which is a flat amount of % on top of the meals, usually for when it's a big group, we actually almost got charged this at a restaurant after leaving back for work but refused to pay it, resulting in the waitress moaning at us all and us vowing to never eat there again. The other terrible part about it is that the restaurant owner can set this charge to whatever % they want but it's usually about 5-15%. The only other instances are probably when you want to tip someone at the bar but I still cannot fathom why on earth you would do this, they're all making at least minimum wage and if that's not enough our government needs to raise that amount and tell the restaurants or other copycat tipping services to jog on. I like being able to go to restaurants with the correct amount of change rather than being stood up to pay a fee on top of the price of the meal. I am on a budget.
[QUOTE=proboardslol;51050771]So I'm assuming tipping is a thing in some way in England. And _Axel, I'm assuming based on your reactions that tipping isn't a thing in France? If you tipped someone in france, what would their reaction be? There's no tipping in Japan and Korea, and I've heard that if you tip a waiter, they'll get angry at you. To them, it's like saying "I make more money than you; you make nothing; you need my help, here's some pity money". Apparently waiters are paid well in Korea [editline]14th September 2016[/editline] You're German, how long can you expect to stay at a restaurant in Germany?[/QUOTE] UK actually. But depends what kind of place it is i guess. Not uncommon to finish a meal and stay a while with a few bottles of wine, especially if the place also has a bar. Some fancier places will put pressure on you to leave once you're done eating so they can seat more diners in my experience.
Weird. Your flag above is Germany
Friendly reminder that in the U.S. while waiters make $2-3/hr, if their tips don't equal to minimum wage, the restaurant has to pay the difference (minimum wage being $7.25 to $15+ depending on where they live). Waiters make [I]at least[/I] minimum wage, and have the opportunity to make more than minimum wage. This sometimes fails to get mentioned in these threads.
[QUOTE=Dr. Evilcop;51050868]Friendly reminder that in the U.S. while waiters make $2-3/hr, if their tips don't equal to minimum wage, the restaurant has to pay the difference (minimum wage being $7.25 to $15+ depending on where they live). Waiters make [I]at least[/I] minimum wage, and have the opportunity to make more than minimum wage. This sometimes fails to get mentioned in these threads.[/QUOTE] If you're not making minimum wage or more in tips, you're liable to be fired
I don't know how anyone argues that the total bill in a non-tipping world would be greater than the current price you pay plus the tip. In any case, dai explained the madness on the first page really well.
[QUOTE=SpartanApples;51049947]I usually just round up, like if the bill is £28 I'll leave £30.[/QUOTE] That's how I do it when I order pizza. If the pizza costs $12, I tip $3.
[QUOTE=gk99;51050936]That's how I do it when I order pizza. If the pizza costs $12, I tip $3.[/QUOTE] So if it costs $19.99 you just tip $20? Kind of a dick move, no?
In the US specifically, you're a real scumbag if you don't tip. Yes the server will make minimum wage in any case, but you're still actively supporting a corrupt scheme for the service industry's pockets by giving them your business. Not tipping on-top of that is just supporting unlivably low minimum wage policies, unless you happen to live in a rare area that actually pays their employees enough to get by without working 16 hours a day.
[QUOTE=_Axel;51050756]Would make more sense to give a flat amount per meal/drink served than have it be proportional to price then.[/QUOTE] that would mandate setting up an itemized pricing structure instead of a catch-all rule of thumb, and at that rate you may as well just put the price into the meal and toss out the tip angle [QUOTE=geel9;51050953]So if it costs $19.99 you just tip $20? Kind of a dick move, no?[/QUOTE] from the sound of his post he'd probably tip 23-25
[QUOTE=ilikecorn;51049896]I've never felt obligated to tip, even in the US. That being said.. I do tip, provided the service isn't shit. I've only not tipped like.. twice.. both times it seemed as though the waiter/waitress was more interested in what was going on the TV than what was going on my table.[/QUOTE] In the US you should probably feel more obligated cuz a lot of servers make only $2 an hour, it's fucked up. If you can't afford to tip don't go out at all. I just wish they'd give them a real wage and not make their wage a gamble
[QUOTE=dai;51050700]I get the feeling anyone rich enough to not care about extravagant dinner costs would also be the type to whip out a calculator to figure out a bare minimum tip[/QUOTE] Oh my god this. This so much. I used to work pizza delivery and would routinely deliver to an upscale gated community. We're talking multi-million dollar houses (that, ironically enough, were nearly empty because the occupants paid so much for the house that they couldn't afford to furnish it). Interesting tidbit: John Madden lives there. The place was notorious with the drivers for either being amazing tips, or nothing. Rarely it would be "average". And more often than not, it was nothing. And the problem was that they were the further location we delivered to. No driver ever wanted to take a solo pizza out there because it simply wasn't worth it. The $1.50 for wear & tear and either no tip or next to no tip just did not make up for going out there. You would ALWAYS want to wait for a second pizza, as long as it wasn't on the other side of town. Now granted, some people there would actually tip pretty well. There was one house that if I noticed it I'd try to grab it because they'd consistently leave a $5-7+ tip. And they were ALWAYS very polite and respectful. Then there was a family that left not tip on the credit card, but tipped me $25. On a $45 order. That was awesome. But yeah, more often than not, the very rich (or people who think they're very rich), don't want "the dirty peasants" having their money. Whereas low or mid income households know what it's like and either leave a good tip, or leave what they can. I didn't mind getting nothing from someone that was obviously down on their luck.
[QUOTE=bitches;51050961]In the US specifically, you're a real scumbag if you don't tip. Yes the server will make minimum wage in any case, but you're still actively supporting a corrupt scheme for the service industry's pockets by giving them your business. Not tipping on-top of that is just supporting unlivably low minimum wage policies, unless you happen to live in a rare area that actually pays their employees enough to get by without working 16 hours a day.[/QUOTE] A lot of servers will make less than minimum wage cuz it's legal to pull that bullshit if they get tipped
[QUOTE=biodude94566;51051026]Oh my god this. This so much. I used to work pizza delivery and would routinely deliver to an upscale gated community. We're talking multi-million dollar houses (that, ironically enough, were nearly empty because the occupants paid so much for the house that they couldn't afford to furnish it). Interesting tidbit: John Madden lives there. The place was notorious with the drivers for either being amazing tips, or nothing. Rarely it would be "average". And more often than not, it was nothing. And the problem was that they were the further location we delivered to. No driver ever wanted to take a solo pizza out there because it simply wasn't worth it. The $1.50 for wear & tear and either no tip or next to no tip just did not make up for going out there. You would ALWAYS want to wait for a second pizza, as long as it wasn't on the other side of town. Now granted, some people there would actually tip pretty well. There was one house that if I noticed it I'd try to grab it because they'd consistently leave a $5-7+ tip. And they were ALWAYS very polite and respectful. Then there was a family that left not tip on the credit card, but tipped me $25. On a $45 order. That was awesome. But yeah, more often than not, the very rich (or people who think they're very rich), don't want "the dirty peasants" having their money. Whereas low or mid income households know what it's like and either leave a good tip, or leave what they can. I didn't mind getting nothing from someone that was obviously down on their luck.[/QUOTE] $5 was a good tip from a ritzy house? I'm currently jobless (freelancing tho) and squeezing pennies while paying for a massively pricey rundown apartment, but I still hold onto fivers specifically for when I order pizza, and the two places I order from are less than a mile up the road. (I do pick up from the places when I have the chance but sometimes you're drunk or dead famished man). Anything less than four or five bucks for a tip anywhere feels like I'm holding out, but that could also be from all of my experience with friends who've waited, and in the case of pizza, riding along with a friend who delivered for a Rosati's around our area, which is very peppered with ritzy communities and "the driver you replaced was mugged at gunpoint" areas
[QUOTE=dai;51050997]that would mandate setting up an itemized pricing structure instead of a catch-all rule of thumb, and at that rate you may as well just put the price into the meal and toss out the tip angle[/QUOTE] Well yes. Why don't they? [QUOTE=proboardslol;51050882]If you're not making minimum wage or more in tips, you're liable to be fired[/QUOTE] What the fuck, on what grounds?
[QUOTE=ilikecorn;51051061]I shouldn't feel obligated because of their wage. I'm not going to just give them extra cash for them only making 2$ an hour. If they do their job, they get a tip. If they're absolute shit at their job, they don't. Simple as that. I don't ever not tip because I can't afford it. Like I said, the only times i've not tipped were because of shitty service from uninterested waitstaff.[/QUOTE] I feel like it shouldn't be up to me to determine the stability of my server's wage, and so I always tip. Unless a server deliberately were to disrespect me, I've got no reason to withhold. IMO the appropriate reaction to really poor service is to tell their manager, not to play with their income purely because the establishment allows me to. My point is that I don't know what might cause service to be slow. It's a busy job.
^ Pretty much what bitches said. I have a disability and used to work as a hostess at a high end hotel resort all-day restaurant. There would be some days that I just didn't feel good. I was either feeling sick or faint or exhausted because of chronic fatigue or insomnia. On those days I would've preferred to stay home and rest, but because of the necessity of an income and the punishment for calling in sick was so stringent, I couldn't just NOT go in. Which meant that I was fully aware that some of the service I was providing was sub par. But it wasn't intentional. You never know what's going on with someone in a service industry. Especially because the way the industry works, it heavily penalizes people for not showing up to work, even if they go through all the appropriate channels to attempt to get a day of absence for physical or mental health reasons. They could be a top notch server or host on literally any other day but because that's the one day where they were feeling less than 100%, some customer decided to withhold a tip, that server makes less than they can be making. I never assume to know what's going on with the person who is serving me. If they're legitimately awful or rude, then I'll file a complaint. But if they're slow, a little inattentive, rushing, or seem busy, who the hell am I? Like one customer out of a possible hundred that they may have on any given day? Being polite to a server and tipping even if they stumbled and were a little bit less on service than they should've been can very easily make them just a little happier. Could make the customer after you have a pleasant experience. Won't cure an illness or anything, but let me tell you, when I had a server at IHOP on one of the busiest mornings of the year and I realized how stressed out he was, even though I waited an hour to be sat and thirty minutes to receive my food, I still tipped the kid $20. He smiled and thanked me even though he was kind of in disbelief. And I hoped that after that he found a little bit more of a reason to get himself through that morning. Being nice to people in the service industry just seems right to me because the industry itself likes to fuck them in so many other ways that they don't need me fucking them too.
[QUOTE=dai;51051055]$5 was a good tip from a ritzy house? I'm currently jobless (freelancing tho) and squeezing pennies while paying for a massively pricey rundown apartment, but I still hold onto fivers specifically for when I order pizza, and the two places I order from are less than a mile up the road. (I do pick up from the places when I have the chance but sometimes you're drunk or dead famished man). Anything less than four or five bucks for a tip anywhere feels like I'm holding out, but that could also be from all of my experience with friends who've waited, and in the case of pizza, riding along with a friend who delivered for a Rosati's around our area, which is very peppered with ritzy communities and "the driver you replaced was mugged at gunpoint" areas[/QUOTE] It's been nearly a year since I've lived in that area and I've got shit memory. But yes, getting even $5-7 from the gated community was "good" simply because so many wouldn't tip period, or you'd get maybe $3. You'd get the odd $10-15. I'm gonna ramble just a little bit more about another customer: I had gotten a cash order for the south side of town, which is also a bit more upscale and prone to no or low tips. Less so than the gated community, but still. So I take this cash order out there, and two little girls open the door. No parents or adults in sight. Wonderful, they left it up to the kids to deal with it. And then they pulled out Ziploc bags full of coins. Even better, they're the type to only pay exactly what they have to! And then, to my surprise, the girls start pulling coins out and counting it for me. So very, very few people would ever count out their money when paying me and I'd have to juggle the pizzas in one hand, receipt in my free hand, while also accepting and counting money. But here these little girls were, counting it out for me. They made sure I knew I was getting the right amount, and if I remember right they even left a decent tip. It was so interesting to see kids that were better than most customers. [QUOTE=ilikecorn;51051078]Tips are fucking weird man..[/QUOTE] Tips are REALLY fuckin' weird. You have to work one place for well over a year to ever figure out tips. You'll pick up regulars, sure, and they'll tend to tip consistently, but it's the one offs that get you. I've noticed in general though that the richer someone is the more likely they are to be an asshole or a snob, and the poorer someone tends to be, the better they tend to tip (within their means, at least).
[QUOTE=Louis;51049889]Lol nobody in the uk goes into a reasurant and feels obliged to tip, people make enough to get by in the hospitality industry here but actively discouraging tips makes no sense, because nowhere promotes it. Does needless harm.[/QUOTE] Try saying that when on a zero hour contract mate. Where you're expected to be free whenever they want but they can give you nothing if they feel like it. It's shit, even in the UK
Speaking from a European context, I know that there are plenty of places in Europe where it's considered rude to tip. In Austria, for example, you just round up to the nearest whole number less out of a tipping gesture than as a convenience - it's easier to pay €65 than €64.20, and the waiter gets a bit of Trinkgeld out of it. When I first started travelling around Europe I was amazed at how long people stay after a meal; in France especially people spend hours sitting, smoking, drinking, chatting after their desserts, whereas in Britain I don't think it's polite to stay beyond a couple of minutes. Waiters in Europe don't tend to come to your table until you specifically ask for the bill, either, and then they give you a very long time to pay it. Led to an awkward situation where I had to leave the bill at the bar cause I was late for a concert.
[QUOTE=_Axel;51051072]Well yes. Why don't they?[/QUOTE] because then they can't abuse the $2 hourly wage system because it's no longer tips but service fees from the restaurant itself. It's not tipping the waiter if you're told exactly what to pay by the establishment. The closest we'll get to that is receipts suggesting 15-20% on the tip line because that's the cultural rule of thumb
[QUOTE=FingerSpazem;51051018]In the US you should probably feel more obligated cuz a lot of servers make only $2 an hour, it's fucked up. If you can't afford to tip don't go out at all. I just wish they'd give them a real wage and not make their wage a gamble[/QUOTE] i don't get this whole "don't go out at all" thing if everybody did that then a lot of eateries would close down due to reduced business
you tip the waiter like you tip the busboy, cashier, delivery man, bartender or the doorman these are all labor based jobs that have some degree of social interaction with the people, so if they're nice/friendly and do a good job and show it, why shouldn't they be tipped?
[QUOTE=SonicHitman;51052314]you tip the waiter like you tip the busboy, cashier, delivery man, bartender or the doorman these are all labor based jobs that have some degree of social interaction with the people, so if they're nice/friendly and do a good job and show it, why shouldn't they be tipped?[/QUOTE]Because the server has to spend an hour or more attending to your whims among those of others in an effort to insure your experience is enjoyable. The cashier tells you the cost then tells you to sign and leave. The busser just brings plates out and hands them off then fucks of back tot he kitchen. Delivery workers actually can be depending on the delivery. A personalized delivery, absolutely because they have to specifically come to you on request. But just a typical large scale delivery service, not really because they have routes they typically run. Bartender, yes, because they are equivalent to servers in that they have to specifically attend to your desires over a prolonged period of time. And a doorman, not typically. Its about the time and effort and personalized treatment.
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