Nightclub in Germany bans refugees for 'harassing women' - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Blue Meanie;49104485]The nightclub workers/managers/attendees don't give a shit if any of you, or anyone doesn't like it, the people who attend regularly are happy. There is no point in this even being an article, are they trying to get someone do hold a protest? The nightclub still won't give a single fuck. It's their business, let them do whatever they want, I could see myself in a very similar situation if immigrants who from there society were known to harass women or possibly have a sexist culture, then did it in my club, I would guaranteed do the same thing. It's not racism, it's about this; They don't want their business turned into a trash-pit full of scummy men from well known scummy patriarchal society.[/QUOTE] It's simple sensationalist news articles to opinionate the masses on whatever agenda the media assembles. What is new?

[QUOTE=Jordax;49102982]You can tag off them getting drunk, as I thought their faith doesn't even allow them to drink alcohol. This makes their visit to those nightclubs only more dubious if you ask me. And showing that kind of behaviour is just atrocious on their part. Regardless if they are drunk (they aren't) or not.[/QUOTE] Not all the refugees are fundamentalist Muslims.

[QUOTE=Rangergxi;49104524]Why wouldn't a nightclub care about its guests experiences? They have a profit incentive to be and they might be passionate about nightclub experiences.[/QUOTE] They absolutely would, thats why they put their loyal customers first, kicking out a very large group of individuals because most of them showed similar behavior, most likely resembling how society as a norm was for them. The loyal customers who are established and bring all their rich ass friends, thats who they want. Not a bunch of filthy pricks who pig on women. [editline]12th November 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=DohEntertainmen;49104529]It's simple sensationalist news articles to opinionate the masses on whatever agenda the media assembles. What is new?[/QUOTE] It makes me annoyed that a nighctlub in germany has become notorious for this, they probably made bank from the notoriety.

[QUOTE=Antlerp;49103322]otherwise known as progressivism, which actually isn't a liberal idealogy[/QUOTE] progressivism has nothing to do with the masses of people who align themselves with the "liberal left", but think that being liberal is nothing more than getting mad and screaming "RACISM!" whenever any minority of any kind doesn't get their way.

Is everyone just going to ignore the drunken groping that happens in every nightclub ever

[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;49104550]Not all the refugees are fundamentalist Muslims.[/QUOTE] Not all of them are honest hearts, either. There's this thing we have in most western civilizations called a bureaucracy, and if it is only used to coerce the native populations, there will be blood.

[QUOTE=Gwoodman;49104594]Is everyone just going to ignore the drunken groping that happens in every nightclub ever[/QUOTE] Something should be done about that. This specific measure we're talking about aims to reduce it.

[QUOTE=Gwoodman;49104594]Is everyone just going to ignore the drunken groping that happens in every nightclub ever[/QUOTE] One thing is worth noting though, when people are groping eachother in a club, they are usually all in a trance, unless literally the person getting felt up doesn't want it, in that case it does happen, most of the time people get charged for that type of thing though. These guys are literally walking in, insulting women, asking them to take money for sex, telling em off if they refuse, making an incredibly obnoxious scene, letting everyone in the club know that disgusting pigs are infesting the place. It's not the same thing as a greasy drunk-trance feeling-fest, although those are still pretty greasy as fuck. A lot of clubs have cameras incase some degen perv cops a feel.

[QUOTE=KennethKaniff;49103711]I can't believe we have actual Middle Easterners in here talking about how the cultural differences are a huge problem, and yet progressives on FP still act like refugees have no unique problem with women and it's "racist" or "xenophobic" to think so. Why are they so obsessed with defending Islam when they constantly attack Christianity? Islam is the absolute antithesis of liberal values, far more so than Christianity.[/QUOTE] Because fpers loove to attack

[QUOTE=opaali;49103022]If the fun is harassing drunk girls then answer is no. I've seen them come in to clubs, then just stand next to the dance floor waiting to find a prey[/QUOTE] How do you know that's their intention? As far as I know nightclubs aren't a thing in the cultures where they come from so them standing about looking awkward is not really surprising.

[QUOTE=Talishmar;49105161]How do you know that's their intention? As far as I know nightclubs aren't a thing in the cultures where they come from [B]so them standing about looking awkward[/B] is not really surprising.[/QUOTE] [quote]But young male asylum seekers began harassing women in the establishment, following them to the toilets or calling them "whores“ and offering them money for sex, according to the Facebook post.[/quote]

Okay so why does it seem that people here are cool with profiling an entire group of people for the actions of a few of them when in other circumstances (such as gun ownership in the US, for example) it's a big no-no?

[QUOTE=Lonestriper;49105347]Okay so why does it seem that people here are cool with profiling an entire group of people for the actions of a few of them when in other circumstances (such as gun ownership in the US, for example) it's a big no-no?[/QUOTE] Because it's not "the actions of a few of them", it's ingrained in their shitty culture.

[QUOTE=soulharvester;49105389]Because it's not "the actions of a few of them", it's ingrained in their shitty culture.[/QUOTE] You do realise you are blatantly profiling a group of people. I'm sure you have your good reasons though, being an expert in their culture and all....

I'm not profiling them based on their race, Their culture is problematic and ignoring that is cultural suicide. But feel free to start taking in hundred of thousands of them in Australia if you're so comfortable with them.

Their culture may have problematic elements but implying the entire group harass women is a pretty damn bold claim. Which is what I'm concerned about. Making such confident judgements about a large group of people is narrow-minded and detracts from all the people in that group who are a) nice people and b) treat women well (who we understandably don't hear about because it's not particularly newsworthy being a nice person) also please define cultural suicide

[QUOTE=Thlis;49105272][QUOTE]How do you know that's their intention? As far as I know nightclubs aren't a thing in the cultures where they come from so them standing about looking awkward is not really surprising.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]But young male asylum seekers began harassing women in the establishment, following them to the toilets or calling them "whores“ and offering them money for sex, according to the Facebook post.[/QUOTE][/QUOTE] Those people weren't the same ones complaining about being denied entry in the article.

[QUOTE=Lonestriper;49105643]Their culture may have problematic elements but implying the entire group harass women is a pretty damn bold claim. Which is what I'm concerned about. Making such confident judgements about a large group of people is narrow-minded and detracts from all the people in that group who are a) nice people and b) treat women well (who we understandably don't hear about because it's not particularly newsworthy being a nice person) also please define cultural suicide[/QUOTE] do we really have to prove that women aren't given the same rights and privileges in the middle east that they're given in western countries? isn't it kind of self evident? is it really so ridiculous to assume that people who come from a place where women are treated as second class citizens would treat women poorly? why would someone not treat women poorly if they don't think there's anything wrong with doing so?

It just doesn't follow that because middle-eastern women don't have the same rights as western women all middle-east men treat them badly/harass them, as was implied. I have no doubt some do exactly that but pretending like it's all of them is fucking stupid and leads to situations where you ban an entire group of people of the actions of a couple of them. I'm sure if I said we must ban all guns because some people use them to murder people then I'd be told how dumb that is pretty quickly. It's the exact same fucking thing here. Just replace 'gun' with 'refugee' and 'murder' with 'harassment'.

[QUOTE=Lonestriper;49105768]It just doesn't follow that because middle-eastern women don't have the same rights as western women all middle-east men treat them badly/harass them, as was implied. I have no doubt some do exactly that but pretending like it's all of them is fucking stupid and leads to situations where you ban an entire group of people of the actions of a couple of them. I'm sure if I said we must ban all guns because some people use them to murder people then I'd be told how dumb that is pretty quickly. It's the exact same fucking thing here. Just replace 'gun' with 'refugee' and 'murder' with 'harassment'.[/QUOTE] The difference is one of scale, relatively very, very few guns are used in violent crimes, and they can also be used to defend AGAINST violent crime. The gun pros and cons are very complex and the problems brought by banning them are not exactly clear cut, there's also lots of evidence to suggest that violent crime is more prominent in places with stricter anti-gun legislation in the U.S. There is also no evidence that the presence of guns causes violent crime cases to increase, only the method of execution used in such crimes. The arguments here is that a relatively large portion of these refugees are hostile and have a very hostile culture that makes it very difficult to preserve the cultures that existed wherever they take up residence. Sweden's crime rates have sky-rocketed because a hugely disproportionate amount of immigrants commit violent crimes against Swedish natives (Esp women). Ignoring these issues is totally fucked up, and that was when they were using restrictive immigration policy. Now the number of refugees are increasing vastly more than many of these countries can support, and the previous attempts at integration with their now host countries is not even close to what they previously had, so integration is going to be very ineffective with these groups. Also anyone who believes they'll be able to send them back to their home countries after the Syrian conflict ends are delusional, it's not going to happen.

[QUOTE=Lonestriper;49105768]It just doesn't follow that because middle-eastern women don't have the same rights as western women all middle-east men treat them badly/harass them, as was implied. I have no doubt some do exactly that but pretending like it's all of them is fucking stupid and leads to situations where you ban an entire group of people of the actions of a couple of them. I'm sure if I said we must ban all guns because some people use them to murder people then I'd be told how dumb that is pretty quickly. It's the exact same fucking thing here. Just replace 'gun' with 'refugee' and 'murder' with 'harassment'.[/QUOTE] Over 70% of rapes in Sweden are committed by immigrants, and immigrants from most Muslim nations appear to have the highest rates of rape by far. [quote]Ethnic groups with particularly high rates of rape included individuals born in Iraq, North Africa (Algeria, Libya, Morocco and Tunisia), and Africa (excluding Uganda and the North African countries) who were convicted of rape at rates 20, 23, and 17 greater than individuals born in Sweden respectively.[/quote]

[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;49104550]Not all the refugees are fundamentalist Muslims.[/QUOTE] The refugees are all mostly Muslim, and the majority of Muslims here in our liberal societies don't even drink alcohol. Are the majority of Muslims fundamentalists? Well, I guess you'll have to call them fundamentalists for simply respecting their beliefs, but I don't think they would appreciate being called that. Maybe the USA is a different place where most Muslims do drink. But that is far from the case here, and of course less so in Islamic countries.

[QUOTE=Twistai;49102349]Why are these "poor helpless refugees fleeing from war" even going to nightclubs in the first place?[/QUOTE] Oh shut up...

Here in the Netherlands it seems people from Morocco, Iraq or Turkey also seem to have issues with adjusting to the Dutch life, they are known to be very hostile. Lately in my town more Muslims have moved in and they cause a bit of a steer, 4 girls in my local environment have been raped which apparently was done by a few Muslims and these guys are hanging by the side of the road, catcalling girls and threatening to kick someone's ass if anyone says they should move on. Not against all Muslims but the whole uproar didn't exist before they moved into my hometown, the western culture and their own is quite different.

This is happening in Sweden as well, you should have seen halloween, almost everyone was in some sort of costume except the immigrants at the club and they where at the edge of the dancefloor being generally disgusting towards Girls and many of my female friends have noticed this as well and are really uncomfortable, they should have had a "costume required" requirment. And secondly, do these people even have an ID?

Also funny now the local government does want to adjust Muslims to our culture by having a required educational process that is 3 months long but the Muslims refuse to attend and call it racism and harassment.

[QUOTE=darth-veger;49107976]Also funny now the local government does want to adjust Muslims to our culture by having a required educational process that is 3 months long but the Muslims refuse to attend and call it racism and harassment.[/QUOTE] And whats to stop us from denying them our support if they don't want to cooperate? Because then we're labled heartless and racists.

[QUOTE=SomeRandomGuy18;49106125]Over 70% of rapes in Sweden are committed by immigrants, and immigrants from most Muslim nations appear to have the highest rates of rape by far.[/QUOTE] it's probably best if you define what constitutes rape in Sweden so people don't trot out that shit about it having the highest rate of rape in the EU or whatever. also where did you get 70% from? the wikipedia page you cited only says it got as high as 61% from 1985 to 1989, it doesn't seem like there's a modern one there that goes any higher than that

[QUOTE=darth-veger;49107953]Here in the Netherlands it seems people from Morocco, Iraq or Turkey also seem to have issues with adjusting to the Dutch life, they are known to be very hostile. Lately in my town more Muslims have moved in and they cause a bit of a steer, 4 girls in my local environment have been raped which apparently was done by a few Muslims and these guys are hanging by the side of the road, catcalling girls and threatening to kick someone's ass if anyone says they should move on. Not against all Muslims but the whole uproar didn't exist before they moved into my hometown, the western culture and their own is quite different.[/QUOTE] Dude my (now) ex gf got called a whore and threatened with a fucking 20cm blade. And thats just one example..

[QUOTE=Cone;49108077]it's probably best if you define what constitutes rape in Sweden so people don't trot out that shit about it having the highest rate of rape in the EU or whatever. also where did you get 70% from? the wikipedia page you cited only says it got as high as 61% from 1985 to 1989, it doesn't seem like there's a modern one there that goes any higher than that[/QUOTE] Are you seriously trying to deny/down play the fact that immigrants make up a ridiculously high percentage of sex offenders in Sweden compared to their population? Also they stopped funding studies because they didn't want to be seen as encouraging racism. Their media doesn't even identify offenders by ethnicity in Sweden they're that "politically correct". [url]http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/5195/sweden-rape[/url]