Clarkson given final warning from BBC - one more offensive remark anywhere, any time, and he's gone - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Empty_Shadow;44715967]Yeah, clarkson was my favourite pilot[/QUOTE] I dunno, May has one hell of a washing machine :v:

[QUOTE=carcarcargo;44711332]He was going overboard with the racism so I agree with this to be honest. Being Jeremy Clarkson shouldn't give you free reign to be a racist asshole.[/QUOTE] Mumbling incoherently = Racism

[QUOTE=djjkxbox360;44715224]I've listened to it about 30 times and I still don't know what the word was. It's extremely mumbled, all you can hear is N, just because he's said offensive things in the past doesn't mean a mumbled word that starts with n is nigger[/QUOTE] An old version of the nursery rhyme is "Eeeny, meeny miny, moe, catch a nigger by the toe". What else would he be mumbling in place of nigger, and why else would he mumble it? He's obviously mumbling "nigger" because he doesn't want to say it out loud.

[QUOTE=Bread_Baron;44716527]An old version of the nursery rhyme is "Eeeny, meeny miny, moe, catch a nigger by the toe". What else would he be mumbling in place of nigger, and why else would he mumble it? He's obviously mumbling "nigger" because he doesn't want to say it out loud.[/QUOTE] tiger. I didn't hear the original version with the racial slur until I was a teenager [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eeny,_meeny,_miny,_moe[/url]

[QUOTE=Turnips5;44716544]tiger. I didn't hear the original version with the racial slur until I was a teenager [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eeny,_meeny,_miny,_moe[/url][/QUOTE] it's still pretty obvious the intention was nigger, otherwise why would he mumble it/ask for it not to be aired. I'm weirdly conflicted about this one. I mean, I don't like Jeremy Clarkson as a person and I do think that his 'political correctness gone mad' shpiel is pretty shortsighted, considering we live in a country where black footballers still get bananas thrown at them and people call cornershops 'paki shops'. basically as a country we are far more racist than people like to admit and I can understand why something like the BBC which is meant to be a bastion of enlightenment designed to 'entertain and inform' would want to avoid enabling racist right wing skinheads and football hoolies. At the same time this fuck up in particular was legitimately not an issue until someone made it an issue. If that scene had aired in an episode I would have thought 'fair enough, that is pretty suspect considering the BBC is meant to be a decent network' but the way it is this could have stayed out of the public eye. Now it's just giving more fodder to the 'I'm not racist but' crowd to get mad about political correctness. At the end of the day though, BBC has every right to slap him with a warning if they don't like the way he acts, he does represent them and if the representation he's giving is considered unprofessional and not 'entertaining and informing' then I can't blame them

[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;44711318]Really BBC? You're going to can one of your most popular shows? You'll lose more rating that way than you would by inaction.[/QUOTE] Good! It shows they dont care just about money. [editline]4th May 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Goz3rr;44711358]That's a different incident, this is about him supposedly saying nigger [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-hcsefsI1S4[/media] [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1KcV-H8jFoA[/media] I doubt BBC will actually fire him, they probably won't do anything if it ever happens again but just had to look like they were doing something about it[/QUOTE] This sounds so fucking fake, the volume level just shifts completely

[QUOTE=strayebyrd;44717116]it's still pretty obvious the intention was nigger, otherwise why would he mumble it/ask for it not to be aired. I'm weirdly conflicted about this one. I mean, I don't like Jeremy Clarkson as a person and I do think that his 'political correctness gone mad' shpiel is pretty shortsighted, considering we live in a country where black footballers still get bananas thrown at them and people call cornershops 'paki shops'. basically as a country we are far more racist than people like to admit and I can understand why something like the BBC which is meant to be a bastion of enlightenment designed to 'entertain and inform' would want to avoid enabling racist right wing skinheads and football hoolies. At the same time this fuck up in particular was legitimately not an issue until someone made it an issue. If that scene had aired in an episode I would have thought 'fair enough, that is pretty suspect considering the BBC is meant to be a decent network' but the way it is this could have stayed out of the public eye. Now it's just giving more fodder to the 'I'm not racist but' crowd to get mad about political correctness. At the end of the day though, BBC has every right to slap him with a warning if they don't like the way he acts, he does represent them and if the representation he's giving is considered unprofessional and not 'entertaining and informing' then I can't blame them[/QUOTE] in his apology he realised that it sounded a bit like the slur, and asked for it to be removed? I dunno man, I don't understand why he didn't just say tiger clearly, maybe he was just mumbling because he didn't care about reciting a children's rhyme and wanted to get it over with quickly. I agree 100% with the rest of your post, he's done much worse shit than this in the past knowingly and more importantly [I]on the programme[/I] [editline]4th May 2014[/editline] eh it doesn't sound like tiger at all, it's a short i. point retracted as for what would possess him to do this, I don't know, I've done lots of stupid shit in the past when I wasn't thinking clearly

remember guys its okay if its a joke! trust me works all the the time in Refugee Camp

[QUOTE=Turnips5;44716544]tiger. I didn't hear the original version with the racial slur until I was a teenager [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eeny,_meeny,_miny,_moe[/url][/QUOTE] Why would he mumble tiger, and why would it begin with an n?

I'm not sure who are the dumber ones in this argument: The ones that get offended over anything, or the ones that claim he didn't mumble nigger even [I]after he acknowledged it[/I], and think "slope" was only referring to the bridge. Yes, people are being overly sensitive, but stop denying something that is clearly there.

The chances of actually getting rid of him are slim. How many times has there been threats against him in the last decade? Lots. Also, Top Gear is worth a Billion pounds, and Jeremy Clarkson is one of the most valuable men in Television. People need to stop being sensitive about jokes and get over it. If someone can't take a joke and gets offended by everything someone says, they're probably harbor some racial prejudiced them self. There is zero reason to be offended by what someone says unless it is targeted specifically at that individual. In Clarkson's case, it's nobody, except politicians, and producers.

[QUOTE=James*;44711831]I think you'll find daily mail readers are on the whole likely to be fans of Clarkson, even if the paper itself isn't[/QUOTE] Daily Mail is a fucking enigma to me. On one hand they blow up at people for making a sound that almost kind of maybe sounds like nigger. On the other hand, they want to deport Muslims for being a different colour. It's like a jigsaw puzzle but not fun in the least bit.

[QUOTE=Zeke129;44714577]Which is [i]at work[/i]. Most people would get fired the first time they used a racial slur at work.[/QUOTE] Wouldn't you say the intention is more important than the word itself? Especially when it never aired. Obviously he mumbled the word (since he's apologizing profusely), but is it really that important since he didn't have any malice behind it? I mean this guy didn't get fired from whatever he works with: [video=youtube;egtaV6Pj8yI]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=egtaV6Pj8yI[/video] And he's a whole lot worse. Clarkson wasn't referring to anyone when he said (well, almost inaudibly mumbled) nigger, and it was part of an old rhyme that he in the end decided against using. I don't even watch top gear or particular like him, I just think this is way out of proportion. I should point out that I'm not trying to say Santorum shouldn't be fired, I'm just saying that there are much, much worse people out there.

[QUOTE=Manibogi;44717715]I'm not sure who are the dumber ones in this argument: The ones that get offended over anything, or the ones that claim he didn't mumble nigger even [I]after he acknowledged it[/I], and think "slope" was only referring to the bridge. Yes, people are being overly sensitive, but stop denying something that is clearly there.[/QUOTE] Do you even fucking read the thread, he "admitted" it because the BBC threatened him and he had no choice. The video is right there, the word was never said, but I don't need to say any of this because the evidence is all there. When he first read the newspaper reporting it, he checked the video then went straight on twitter saying that he didnt use the word nigger. The bbc hadn't gotten involved at that point. And watch the video, you can't hear him say nigger at all

Honestly, I can hear [I]nigger[/I] in the clip, but that´s probably just because I'm listening for it. This entire thing is retarded. I hope that Clarkson, towards the end of his career, stops giving a fuck entirely and goes out of his way to start shit.

[QUOTE=Sgt-NiallR;44718914]Honestly, I can hear [I]nigger[/I] in the clip, but that´s probably just because I'm listening for it. This entire thing is retarded. I hope that Clarkson, towards the end of his career, stops giving a fuck entirely and goes out of his way to start shit.[/QUOTE] If you tell the human brain to hear something it will. It's the whole song backwards being a satanic ritual. You can't hear it until someone tells you to listen for it because it's not really there. I bet if you took a random person and asked them what was being said you would get nothing.

[QUOTE=NeonpieDFTBA;44719000]If you tell the human brain to hear something it will. It's the whole song backwards being a satanic ritual. You can't hear it until someone tells you to listen for it because it's not really there. I bet if you took a random person and asked them what was being said you would get nothing.[/QUOTE] This is pretty much everyone who's saying he said it in this thread, they know that he was accused of saying nigger so they watch the video hear a mumbled word starting with n then shout racist!

[QUOTE=matt.ant;44711374]The BBC is publicly funded, they'd have no choice[/QUOTE] Considering there's debate over dropping TV license fees, this may not be the case in the future. All Clarkson really has to do is avoid saying anything at all until then.

[QUOTE=Shibbey;44711687]I don't think it's fair to go through unused out-takes to find ways to pin people. There are probably plenty of people who have sworn accidentally on shows for kids and they've just used another take.[/QUOTE] That's kind of the point of outtakes, isn't it? Total bullshit that they've used that against him.

[QUOTE=djjkxbox360;44719013]This is pretty much everyone who's saying he said it in this thread, they know that he was accused of saying nigger so they watch the video hear a mumbled word starting with n then shout racist![/QUOTE] this is the problem though, whether or not you can make out the whole word the fact that you acknowledge it starts with an N does show that the intention is nigger. The original rhyme is catch a nigger by the toe, it literally wouldn't make sense with any other word. And inversely could you not argue that the people that want to defend him might be not hearing it because they don't want to?

[QUOTE=strayebyrd;44719317]this is the problem though, whether or not you can make out the whole word the fact that you acknowledge it starts with an N does show that the intention is nigger. The original rhyme is catch a nigger by the toe, it literally wouldn't make sense with any other word. And inversely could you not argue that the people that want to defend him might be not hearing it because they don't want to?[/QUOTE] Actually many words fit into the rhyme, and no one "not hears" a word to defend someone, are you insane? I am English and can speak and hear English fine

[QUOTE=strayebyrd;44719317]this is the problem though, whether or not you can make out the whole word the fact that you acknowledge it starts with an N does show that the intention is nigger. The original rhyme is catch a nigger by the toe, it literally wouldn't make sense with any other word. And inversely could you not argue that the people that want to defend him might be not hearing it because they don't want to?[/QUOTE] can you read his mind in the video to understand his intention? i think you can't.

[QUOTE=djjkxbox360;44721731]Actually many words fit into the rhyme, and no one "not hears" a word to defend someone, are you insane? I am English and can speak and hear English fine[/QUOTE] my point is that it seems like people are stretching to find any way to say that his intention wasn't to imply the use of the word nigger. That was the version of the rhyme he would have grown up knowing, that's the most common version aside from the tiger version, what he mumbles starts with an N. I'm not taking a side on this issue like I said on the last page, but it seems fairly obvious what the intention was. It's the same with the slope comment, a lot of people proclaiming that they've never heard it used as a derogatory saying, overlooking the point that the scene was fairly clearly framed as humorous, and that would be the only joke there. I'm just saying that it's not like it's uncharacteristic.

[QUOTE=strayebyrd;44721969]my point is that it seems like people are stretching to find any way to say that his intention wasn't to imply the use of the word nigger. That was the version of the rhyme he would have grown up knowing, that's the most common version aside from the tiger version, what he mumbles starts with an N. I'm not taking a side on this issue like I said on the last page, but it seems fairly obvious what the intention was. It's the same with the slope comment, a lot of people proclaiming that they've never heard it used as a derogatory saying, overlooking the point that the scene was fairly clearly framed as humorous, and that would be the only joke there. I'm just saying that it's not like it's uncharacteristic.[/QUOTE] the slope thing wasn't offensive even if it was a joke that was intended like that, the double entendre kind of makes the joke. He said he didn't say it. All you can hear is a mumbled as fuck word. Anything else is conjecture and assumption. The bigger issue is how this shouldn't be an issue.

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;44721993]the slope thing wasn't offensive even if it was a joke that was intended like that, the double entendre kind of makes the joke. [/QUOTE] I don't want to get to dragged into an argument because both sides of this are acting pretty pedantically, but what if, for instance, there was a scene on Top Gear in Mexico when James May fell in a river or something, and then while James May was facing away from them Clarkson said 'look at that wet back' and there was also a Mexican person in the shot?

[QUOTE=strayebyrd;44724245]I don't want to get to dragged into an argument because both sides of this are acting pretty pedantically, but what if, for instance, there was a scene on Top Gear in Mexico when James May fell in a river or something, and then while James May was facing away from them Clarkson said 'look at that wet back' and there was also a Mexican person in the shot?[/QUOTE] Clarkson, while watching some chinese mechanics fitting a car with plate armour for a medieval-themed car-jousting challenge: "There's too many chinks"

[QUOTE=strayebyrd;44724245]I don't want to get to dragged into an argument because both sides of this are acting pretty pedantically, but what if, for instance, there was a scene on Top Gear in Mexico when James May fell in a river or something, and then while James May was facing away from them Clarkson said 'look at that wet back' and there was also a Mexican person in the shot?[/QUOTE] that would be a joke by definition, making fun of james may more than any mexican person as well as a use of double entendre with the obvious intention to shock and annoy I just don't get why comedians who are making jokes, not racist statements, jokes, are being made to be evil forces of suppression of the minority all of a sudden. but of course he should be fired and wrung out to dry for an obvious shock joke to prove that we're really over racism now, right?

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;44725033]that would be a joke by definition, making fun of james may more than any mexican person as well as a use of double entendre with the obvious intention to shock and annoy I just don't get why comedians who are making jokes, not racist statements, jokes, are being made to be evil forces of suppression of the minority all of a sudden. but of course he should be fired and wrung out to dry for an obvious shock joke to prove that we're really over racism now, right?[/QUOTE] I don't want him to get fired, I just want him to stop doing those jokes because they aren't good. It's basically Daniel Tosh level humour but he gets a free pass for some reason. It's the same with Frankie Boyle, being controversial isn't a comedic style, there needs to be some sort of comedy there as well. I think he loves it when people kick up a fuss and that's why he does it, which is childish to me. Also BBC is meant to be a network that's dedicated to educating informing and entertaining. He'd get away fine with stuff like this if he was on Channel 4 or 5 but the fact is he's on the same channel as things like David Attenborough and Brian Cox documentaries he's held to a bit more of a rigid standard Also we're not over racism, that's kind of a thing I was trying to say earlier in the thread. There are a lot of legitimately serious racists who direct attacks at minorities, and throw bananas at black football players here in England. UKIP, despite how much most people here realise they're ridiculous, have a fairly large amount of supporters. Same with the EDL. A lot of these people look up to Clarkson and say 'yeah, Clarkson's right, why can't I call a Paki a Paki?' is that his fault? no, but he should probably have more common sense than to enable those people, IMO

[QUOTE=Greetings;44711919]...term towards African-Americans (or "black" people, if you prefer, though I find this to be incredibly racist)...[/QUOTE] So it's only racist against black people in America? He's from the UK. Where exactly is our problem? [editline]4th May 2014[/editline] Also by that logic, I'm Nordic-American. If you call me "white" you're a racist.

this thread feels like people being oversensitive to people over oversensitive people getting offended should oh get over it, but by god, but speaker of said offensive things shouldn't, cause its mean ;(