New information of Zimmerman's claims in Trayvon shooting. - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Lamar;35306156]Were you in similar situation?[/QUOTE] My anecdotal evidence is irrelevant, but this is common sense. A suckerpunch is hard enough to get up from, it's totally another to get your head slammed into the sidewalk. That's your head vs hard ass concrete, you're not getting up quickly to shoot another person.

[QUOTE=lolwutdude;35306197]My anecdotal evidence..[/QUOTE] dismissed,

i have no strong feelings one way or the other

[QUOTE=Lamar;35306218]dismissed,[/QUOTE] as opposed to the anecdotal evidence in your OP

"With a single punch, Trayvon Martin decked the Neighborhood Watch volunteer who eventually shot and killed the unarmed 17-year-old, then Trayvon climbed on top of George Zimmerman and slammed his head into the sidewalk several times, leaving him bloody and battered, authorities have revealed to the Orlando Sentinel." uhhh okay so apparently we're dealing with TWO completely different stories here. Originally the police said, and took crime scene photos of where Trayvon was both killed and said to have been either attacked or been attacked by Zimmerman. It was in the middle of the fucking grass, as well as people using evidence that he had grass stains on his back. Now it's on the pavement? Which is it? And I do not for a fucking second believe the 'authorities' or Zimmerman's story which seems to change every witnesss that comes forward.

[QUOTE=Lamar;35306218]dismissed.[/QUOTE] [quote]My anecdotal evidence is irrelevant,[/quote] read harder please, unless you can tell me how someone can get up so quickly after being suckerpunched with his head bouncing against the concrete to do a well placed shot against the head dismissed

The accounts from sources who are defending this guy are completely contradicting his story.

[QUOTE=lolwutdude;35306197]My anecdotal evidence is irrelevant, but this is common sense. A suckerpunch is hard enough to get up from, it's totally another to get your head slammed into the sidewalk. That's your head vs hard ass concrete, you're not getting up quickly to shoot another person.[/QUOTE] Depends on the force of the "slamming". Sure, you could potentially slam someone into concrete hard enough to knock them out cold, or fracture their skull. That, however, requires a lot of force with no resistance from the victim. The victim has neck muscles that can resist the force very well. If his head doesn't hit the concrete hard enough he is more likely to get a few lumps and lacerations, versus a concussion.

This still feels really fishy after that one source that straight up lied about Trayvon's parents claiming the person screaming wasn't their son.

Also, what the fuck happened to innocent until proven guilty? Does that just go out the window whenever the suspect is considered "bad" or "racist" by you guys?

[QUOTE=lolwutdude;35306247]read harder please, unless you can tell me how someone can get up so quickly after being suckerpunched with his head bouncing against the concrete to do a well placed shot against the head dismissed[/QUOTE] Martin wasn't shot in the head, are you still making things up as you go along? This is why this whole fiasco has become quite trite since a lot of people have been pretending like they're experts on this. I know jackshit about this case, but so do you.

[QUOTE=yawmwen;35306285]Also, what the fuck happened to innocent until proven guilty? Does that just go out the window whenever the suspect is considered "bad" or "racist" by you guys?[/QUOTE] i guess innocent until proven guilty went out the window when trayvon martin was fucking shot with barely any real investigation taking place

[QUOTE=Lazor;35306170]do you guys not read or[/QUOTE] I don't see how any of that means they botched the case. You could also try being less sarcastic when someone asks a few simple questions that even vaguely hint at disagreeing with you. [quote]they corrected witnesses they misrepresented what trayvon's parents said about the cries for help on the phone call they, for some reason, refer to zimmerman as an "upstanding citizen"(why even fucking do this in the first place? this isn't your fucking job) despite his violent criminal record[/quote] sources for any of these? I also don't see how even if this is true it means the police are complicit in trying to cover up a crime.

[QUOTE=Lazor;35306303]i guess innocent until proven guilty went out the window when trayvon martin was fucking shot with barely any real investigation taking place[/QUOTE] Oh yes! And now Lazor, who obviously know more about this case than the attorneys and police, is now Zimmerman's judge and jury.

[QUOTE=asteroidrules;35306189]And when they ran out of evidence they made some. Their "evidence" that it was Zimmerman screaming was supposedly a statement from Martin's dad saying the voice in the recording wasn't his son, a statement he has made clear he didn't make, and a fact he has made clear is false.[/QUOTE] Did you read the op? It states there was a witness that saw Zimmerman being beaten on the ground . They have more evidence than a statement from Martins dad. Also is anyone else having trouble replying and editing post?

[QUOTE=lolwutdude;35305873]Why would an A/B student that never had record of violent behavior and testified by his teachers to be good boy suddenly assault a dude just because he was reaching for his cellphone? By slamming his head against the sidewalk no less, how did the dude not get a concussion or not get knocked out by such force? Such bullshit, he got through all that pain and he got up to shoot Martin? This smells like the police trying to cover up shit to make them look less competent.[/QUOTE] Medically speaking, and I've seen this many times, if this guys head was being knocked into the back of the pavement with such a force he was in danger and his life was threatened, and lets say for arguments sake that he was 'screaming for 45' seconds on the 911 call. He would have to had a concussion. Slamming his Occipital lobe with that much force would have sent massive waves through the parterial lobe and slammed his frontal lobe into his skull. That is the textbook example of a concussion. I wouldn't use him going unconscious as an example though, some people can stand that. Concussion though, if his life was in danger for that 45 seconds, he would have had one.

[QUOTE=Lazor;35306303]i guess innocent until proven guilty went out the window when trayvon martin was fucking shot with barely any real investigation taking place[/QUOTE] That's a really dumb statement to make. People should always be assumed innocent (in the eyes of the law) until they are proven guilty.

[QUOTE=BusterBluth;35306334]Did you read the op? It states there was a witness that saw Zimmerman being beaten on the ground . They have more evidence than a statement from Martins dad. Also is anyone else having trouble replying and editing post?[/QUOTE] And there's a witness that said otherwise. [url]http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/03/25/10854229-witness-zimmerman-never-tried-to-help-trayvon-martin[/url] I'm not saying is right over the other, I'm saying it's full of holes. And this investigation would have been easier to determine of the police actually did their job. [editline]26th March 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Valdor;35306348]That's a really dumb statement to make. People should always be assumed innocent (in the eyes of the law) until they are proven guilty.[/QUOTE] But what do you do when the eyes of the law aren't doing what they should be? [editline]26th March 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=BusterBluth;35305947]How have the acted like his defense attorney? Because they are taking the side of self defense based on what evidence they have?[/QUOTE] correcting witnesses, not pursuing key leads, not doing standard procedure potentially losing damning evidence, assigning a known racist who covered up a hate crime in 2010 to lead the investigation, you know, stuff like that.

[QUOTE=Splendor;35305814]Not to make light of that kids death, but I'm laughing mad hard at all the knuckleheads here (sup starpluck, thisispain et al) who jumped on the bandwagon.[/QUOTE] why? because we made a decision based on the evidence that had been presented at the time? yeah really what a bunch of knuckleheads we are, not predicting that in the future they would discover evidence to overturn the entire case and prove once and for all that it was trayvons fault!! [editline]26th March 2012[/editline] idiot

[QUOTE=Governor Goblin;35306363]And there's a witness that said otherwise. [url]http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/03/25/10854229-witness-zimmerman-never-tried-to-help-trayvon-martin[/url] I'm not saying is right over the other, I'm saying it's full of holes. And this investigation would have been easier to determine of the police actually did their job. [editline]26th March 2012[/editline] But what do you do when the eyes of the law aren't doing what they should be?[/QUOTE] Police don't determine whether or not somebody is guilty. If you have a problem with the police then protest.

[QUOTE=Governor Goblin;35306363]And there's a witness that said otherwise. [url]http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/03/25/10854229-witness-zimmerman-never-tried-to-help-trayvon-martin[/url] I'm not saying is right over the other, I'm saying it's full of holes. And this investigation would have been easier to determine of the police actually did their job. [/QUOTE] Unless I missed something the two witnesses in that article did not dispute what was in this article regarding Zimmerman being attacked. They only commented on what happened after the shooting.

[QUOTE=Splendor;35305814]Not to make light of that kids death, but I'm laughing mad hard at all the knuckleheads here (sup starpluck, thisispain et al) who jumped on the bandwagon.[/QUOTE] "The cops dismissed and corrected witnesses, they didn't check or collect evidence, they changed their description of Zimmerman's record, Zimmerman had a history of violence and overzealousness, etc." "Pfft, you guys are just jumping on the bandwagon. Actually look at the evidence and both sides before you decide, don't just instantly believe accounts." "Zimmerman says he isn't guilty, as well as the untrustworthy cops and one unnamed witness" "HA I TOLD YOU GUYS! SEE LOOK AT THIS, THIS SHOWS THAT YOU WERE WRONG FOR SIDING WITH MARTIN AND NOT ZIMMERMAN"

I thinks its funny that people are shitstorming and picking sides all based on accounts that are from 3rd parties and possibly unreliable resources :downs: Just watch what happens in court.

[QUOTE=Noble;35306310]I don't see how any of that means they botched the case. You could also try being less sarcastic when someone asks a few simple questions that even vaguely hint at disagreeing with you. sources for any of these? I also don't see how even if this is true it means the police are complicit in trying to cover up a crime.[/QUOTE] [url=http://abcnews.go.com/US/neighborhood-watch-shooting-trayvon-martin-probe-reveals-questionable/story?id=15907136#.T3DJvjFYvG8] correcting witnesses/asking leading questions/police saying zimmerman's record was "squeaky clean"[/url] can't find anything on what the police said on the 911 call right now but that's just a drop in the bucket compared to the monumental fuck up this has been.

the police have already shown they're incompetent and at every step in the way they've gone out of their way to defend zimmerman they've corrected witnesses, they let him walk free in the middle of a murder investigation, and now they're telling us trayvon just decided to beat the shit out of some random dude he found walking along the sidewalk? yeah no that really makes a whole lot of sense! how exactly can they verify that trayvon actually started the fight? how do they know that he said "well now you do [have a problem]"? because zimmerman said so?

[QUOTE=UncleJimmema;35306489]I thinks its funny that people are shitstorming and picking sides all based on accounts that are from 3rd parties and possibly unreliable resources :downs: Just watch what happens in court.[/QUOTE] we'll be lucky if it gets to court considering that [b]zimmerman is in hiding[/b]

[QUOTE=Last or First;35306459] "HA I TOLD YOU GUYS! SEE LOOK AT THIS, THIS SHOWS THAT YOU WERE WRONG FOR SIDING WITH MARTIN AND NOT ZIMMERMAN"[/QUOTE] It isn't your place to side with ANYONE. You weren't there. You have NO IDEA what went on except what some reporters have told you.

by the way OP stellar job on being fair with those pictures one photo is trayvon the black teen staring menacingly into a webcam with his shirt off, the other is poor mr. zimmerman smiling at the camera dressed up in a suit

[QUOTE=Lazor;35306512]we'll be lucky if it gets to court considering that [b]zimmerman is in hiding[/b][/QUOTE] With such a high profile case I'm sure he'd rather try and clear his name in court than run away from a warrant and indicate he's guilty. Besides, hes not hiding from the cops, he's hiding from the people.

[QUOTE=yawmwen;35306515]It isn't your place to side with ANYONE. You weren't there. You have NO IDEA what went on except what some reporters have told you.[/QUOTE] "nobody dare pass judgement on the police just let them work even if its completely obvious that they're fucking up the case"