New information of Zimmerman's claims in Trayvon shooting. - Polidicks

[QUOTE=garychencool;35309425]Zimmerman clearly lied.[/QUOTE] Lied about what? His wounds were there, there's no way you can lie about a bleeding nose, a swollen lip and bloody lacerations on the back of your head. The way I see this based on what we have now, is that somehow they must have interacted with each other. They argue, it becomes heated, Zimmerman reaches for his phone to most likely call the police, Trayvon (probably) thinks Zimmerman is reaching for a gun. Struggle ensues. Zimmerman panics, gets his gun that's on him and shoots Trayvon. It makes no sense to assume that Trayvon would assault Zimmerman on no grounds or that Zimmerman would assault and shoot Trayvon on no grounds. To me it seems that Zimmerman was trying to much acting like a police, which got out of hands. Nevertheless Zimmerman did actually kill a person, and even if it's in self defense it's still a crime, at least in Sweden. But of course you may be set free depending in the circumstances. Here if you are about to get killed, then you are "allowed" to kill the perpetrator. e.g A 19 year old guy got jumped by four dudes wielding knives. The 19 year old get stabbed 15 times. But then manages to grab the knife and stab the perpetrator once, which killed him. He was caught and tried for murder but got set free as he claimed self defense. Now if that's the same way self defense works in the US, then Zimmerman would definitely get sentenced. Or it would be logical to assume that.

[QUOTE=Lanopo;35308071]Explain/quote. Also your lungs and heart are in your chest, I think you'll have a higher chance of living if you get shot in an area without vital organs, such as the legs.[/QUOTE] Your leg is a much smaller target, and has a massive artery going through it, and mostly taken up by bone. You CAN die from a shot to the leg. Moreso than being shot in the gut, which doesn't have ANY vital organs. [editline]26th March 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Governor Goblin;35309300]well it's easy, take hand, cover wound. Or take towel/cloth/shirt whatever, and do the same thing. If you own a hand to shoot him, you can control the bleeding. It also depends on how much blood loss. Once Peking volume hits a significant portion of your liver, you're kinda fucked.[/QUOTE] Corporal Jamie Smith was shot in the leg and died a short time later. Might remember it from the scene in Black Hawk Down. [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gixRgsPFR7g[/media]

[QUOTE=Ridge;35311659]Your leg is a much smaller target, and has a massive artery going through it, and mostly taken up by bone. You CAN die from a shot to the leg. Moreso than being shot in the gut, which doesn't have ANY vital organs.[/quote] Yeah, but the gut ain't the only place that you can hit. [quote]Corporal Jamie Smith was shot in the leg and died a short time later. Might remember it from the scene in Black Hawk Down. [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gixRgsPFR7g[/media][/QUOTE] uh what's your point? By short time, you mean 3 hours without any proper medical assistance. And don't use a film as evidence for medical concepts.

[QUOTE=yawmwen;35306285]Also, what the fuck happened to innocent until proven guilty? Does that just go out the window whenever the suspect is considered "bad" or "racist" by you guys?[/QUOTE] Yes, actually, it does. People are such moral white knights that they abandon all prior morality

Im sure the rage would just go away if he were charged with manslaughter, but he and his lawyer seem to be fighting as hard as they can to keep that from even being an option.

Regardless of the amount of evidence proving that Zimmerman just defended himself, I'll still consider him a moron because of how he decided to follow the kid while the police clearly told him not to.

It's looking more and more like Zimmerman said something infuriating and probably racially charged to Trayvon who responded with violence; Unfortunately without the knowledge that Zimmerman had a gun. Of course only the interpretation of someone hundreds of miles away reading news articles.

Who the fuck wears a hoodie in 70 degree humid Florida weather...?

[QUOTE=yawmwen;35306285]Also, what the fuck happened to innocent until proven guilty? Does that just go out the window whenever the suspect is considered "bad" or "racist" by you guys?[/QUOTE] It's the same shit that happened with the Casey Anthony thing. The prosecution obviously did not have enough evidence to prove anything. But everyone claimed she was guilty before the trial even began.

So wait, this entire incident has been blowing up exponentially since first light and it's only [i]now[/i] the police/media/anybody at all cares to report that apparently Zimmerman actually had his ass kicked by this kid? Un-fucking-likely.

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;35307905]...really? The legs have one of the largest veins and arteries in your body. If you hit it, you're dead. Good job killing him anyways. Like I said, this isn't a fucking movie.[/QUOTE] Why is this rated dumb? The poster he's responding to obviously thinks life is a video game.

[QUOTE=King Tiger;35312954]Why is this rated dumb? The poster he's responding to obviously thinks life is a video game.[/QUOTE] it's rated dumb because a lot of FPers genuinely think that warning shots and "non-lethal shots" work in real life

[QUOTE=Governor Goblin;35309300]well it's easy, take hand, cover wound. Or take towel/cloth/shirt whatever, and do the same thing. If you own a hand to shoot him, you can control the bleeding. It also depends on how much blood loss. Once Peking volume hits a significant portion of your liver, you're kinda fucked.[/QUOTE] You're being ridiculous. Even if you managed to pull off some double back flip precision sniper shot past the femoral artery that incapacitated the perpetrator, the fact that you were in a position where killing him was not vital means that you didn't need to shoot him. You shoot people to kill them. That's the point. Sorry you can't always pull a sniper shot to the kneecap and knock out the baddie.

It's a fucking pistol. They're literally the only weapons whose primary use is killing people. If Zimmerman wanted to incapacitate Martin, he would have been using a taser or pepper spray or some such. He's not going to fire a warning shot, he's in an area populated by people, might as well just be aiming at some one else. And it's disgusting how many people think they know how a bullet interfaces with a human body. I certainly don't know the specifics, but I'm betting most places on your body can result in permanent or fatal injuries if shot.

[QUOTE=Protocol7;35313029]It's a fucking pistol. They're literally the only weapons whose primary use is killing people. If Zimmerman wanted to incapacitate Martin, he would have been using a taser or pepper spray or some such. He's not going to fire a warning shot, he's in an area populated by people, might as well just be aiming at some one else. And it's disgusting how many people think they know how a bullet interfaces with a human body. I certainly don't know the specifics, but I'm betting most places on your body can result in permanent or fatal injuries if shot.[/QUOTE] no he needed to shot him in leg or non vital area lungs bigger than artery beter odds of not killing

[QUOTE=kman866;35312845]Who the fuck wears a hoodie in 70 degree humid Florida weather...?[/QUOTE] Friend of mine from Florida says it's common. As it does get cold at night.

[QUOTE=Exploits;35312951]So wait, this entire incident has been blowing up exponentially since first light and it's only [i]now[/i] the police/media/anybody at all cares to report that apparently Zimmerman actually had his ass kicked by this kid? Un-fucking-likely.[/QUOTE] The local police has also tried to witness tamper in this case and has a very poor record when it comes to racial relations. You are an idiot if you trust anything they say about what happened.

[QUOTE=King Tiger;35313006]You're being ridiculous. Even if you managed to pull off some double back flip precision sniper shot past the femoral artery that incapacitated the perpetrator, the fact that you were in a position where killing him was not vital means that you didn't need to shoot him. You shoot people to kill them. That's the point. Sorry you can't always pull a sniper shot to the kneecap and knock out the baddie.[/QUOTE] Uh, they were up close to eachother, I'm not implying he needs to pull off a double black flip sniper shot, the fuck are you talking about? [editline]27th March 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Sanius;35312986]it's rated dumb because a lot of FPers genuinely think that warning shots and "non-lethal shots" work in real life[/QUOTE] Work in what way? Overall you're just generalising for the sake of generalising. [editline]27th March 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Protocol7;35313029]It's a fucking pistol. They're literally the only weapons whose primary use is killing people. If Zimmerman wanted to incapacitate Martin, he would have been using a taser or pepper spray or some such. He's not going to fire a warning shot, he's in an area populated by people, might as well just be aiming at some one else. And it's disgusting how many people think they know how a bullet interfaces with a human body. I certainly don't know the specifics, but I'm betting most places on your body can result in permanent or fatal injuries if shot.[/QUOTE] I'd rather have a permanent injury than die.

i've gotten formal education and i can tell you that getting shot is actually not 100% a life or death scenario. yes shooting at someone if you don't plan to kill is apparently not legal, but it all depends on what kind of gun you are shot with. a large rifle round could do serious fragmentation damage and drop you to the ground due to the amount of stopping power it possesses. a small pistol round might not. shooting someone in the chest is likely to stop them very quickly because you'll either puncture a lung or cause strong internal hemorrhaging.

[QUOTE=Ganerumo;35312384]Regardless of the amount of evidence proving that Zimmerman just defended himself, I'll still consider him a moron because of how he decided to follow the kid while the police clearly told him not to.[/QUOTE] That is pretty much my feelings on this. He might be vindicated in this case, but regardless, he killed another person because he chose to follow that man against the suggestions of the 911 operator he was speaking to.

[QUOTE=King Tiger;35313044]no he needed to shot him in leg or non vital area lungs bigger than artery beter odds of not killing[/QUOTE] Femoral artery in the thigh, Without immediate attention you lose a lot of blood very fast. Overall he just shouldn't have shot him altogether. Why was he even carrying a loaded pistol in public?

[QUOTE=thisispain;35313134]i've gotten formal education and i can tell you that getting shot is actually not 100% a life or death scenario. yes shooting at someone if you don't plan to kill is apparently not legal, but it all depends on what kind of gun you are shot with. a large rifle round could do serious fragmentation damage and drop you to the ground due to the amount of stopping power it possesses. a small pistol round might not. shooting someone in the chest is likely to stop them very quickly because you'll either puncture a lung or cause strong internal hemorrhaging.[/QUOTE] well the torso is the easiest place to aim at. most shots in that area are quickly going to become fatal and, if Zimmerman was actually attacked, I'm pretty sure the first thought on his mind isn't "shoot to incapacitate"

[QUOTE=yawmwen;35306285]Also, what the fuck happened to innocent until proven guilty? Does that just go out the window whenever the suspect is considered "bad" or "racist" by you guys?[/QUOTE] he should be given a fair trial, and he has not been put in jail yet and shouldnt be. The fact that police are lying and protecting him is unacceptable however.

Why do people think the kid is some innocent person? He slammed Zimmerman's head into the ground after confronting him at his car. The kid physically assaulted Zimmerman first and [B]repeatedly slammed his head into the concrete.[/B] Seems like attempted murder to me.

based on reported accounts from Zimmerman, yes until we get more information we can't say which of the two is actually guilty here

[QUOTE=Taggart;35317255]based on reported accounts from Zimmerman, yes until we get more information we can't say which of the two is actually guilty here[/QUOTE] Uh, witness accounts as well? And the fact that Zimmerman's injuries match up with Martin apparently beating his head into the ground and hitting him in the nose.

Faze, you don't know exactly what happened more than anyone else. There is a likelihood that Zimmerman [I]was[/I] injured and acted in self defense, but none of us can prove it either way.

[QUOTE=Protocol7;35317359]Faze, you don't know exactly what happened more than anyone else. There is a likelihood that Zimmerman [I]was[/I] injured and acted in self defense, but none of us can prove it either way.[/QUOTE] Just citing what I read on CNN a bit ago.

[QUOTE=faze;35317373]Just citing what I read on CNN a bit ago.[/QUOTE] CNN isn't the de facto source of information on this case, though. they know just as much as everybody else (not very much) there's conflicting information from all news sources

Everything you hear on this case is speculation. Eyewitness accounts can be fraudulent. So on and so forth. The problem with this case is the distinct lack of information. I'm not going to make a decision on whether Zimmerman should be thrown in the slammer until I get enough evidence.