"designed to compete with high-end sedans like the BMW."
Last I checked, not every BMW was a high-end sedan, and there's multiple BMW sedans to choose from.
i really don't like the huge touchscreen instead of physical buttons to press.
otherwise this car looks amazing and i'd love it if i could get it
Now [i]that's[/i] an eletric car i wouldn't be ashamed to drive, i hope this goes forward.
[QUOTE=garry;36560747]I love all the tech and the idea of driving an electric car.. but this car looks generic and boring. But I guess that's what they're going for.[/QUOTE]
Theres always someone who looks at a car and says "Oh it looks generic and boring/flamboyant and ~~edgy~~" when when they are either a mix of both making it a balanced design or just good looking enough to be generic and boring/flamboyant and edgy and get away with it.
Oh well. I quite like it. I wonder how reliable the electric motor is though.
[editline]30th June 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=Taggart;36565745]"designed to compete with high-end sedans like the BMW."
Last I checked, not every BMW was a high-end sedan, and there's multiple BMW sedans to choose from.[/QUOTE]
What is the meaning of high-end sedan?
If I had the money I'd buy it.
now i can post on FP while driving
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[QUOTE=TestECull;36563075]I'd buy one if it had a gasoline engine --> manual trans --> RWD version available.[/QUOTE]So basically if it were an entirely different car?
Looks so much better than those awful looking other electric cars. Also, I love the interior.
at first glance, you really can't tell that it's electric. i like that.
car designers should take the hint here. people shouldn't be able to distinguish an electric from a regular car just by looking at it.
[QUOTE=garry;36560747]I love all the tech and the idea of driving an electric car.. but this car looks generic and boring. But I guess that's what they're going for.[/QUOTE]
coming from someone who bought a new gen civic, can't say you're one for car design
[editline]30th June 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=Taggart;36565745]"designed to compete with high-end sedans like the BMW."
Last I checked, not every BMW was a high-end sedan, and there's multiple BMW sedans to choose from.[/QUOTE]
BMW's mainstay is high end, that quote makes perfect sense
that'd be like someone comparing a car to a lamborghini and you saying it makes the statement dumb because lambo makes tractors
It looks really good. I can see a few little design perks from other cars. I hope I see one around my neighboorhood.
Probably one of the most normal looking electric cars out there. I get put off a lot by technical designers trying way to hard to make electric cars look futuristic and bubble arcitechture. If every electric car looked like a Mustang they'd sell like hotcakes.
[QUOTE=garry;36560747]I love all the tech and the idea of driving an electric car.. but this car looks generic and boring. But I guess that's what they're going for.[/QUOTE]
It looks like its made for the average boring businessman.
It's the shape of the new Mondeo.
Not that interested. Plug in vehicles will not work for one reason: people haven't though about replacing petrol stations.
The great thing about owning a car is that if you need it, it's there for you to use and if it needs refuelling you spend a few minutes filling it up.
This Tesla takes FOUR TO FIVE HOURS.
Solution?
Simple. Replace these petrol stations with pre-charged battery centres. These batteries are already fully charged and fitted by the previous employees at the station and swapped for old batteries in a few minutes. Obviously, depends on the easy removal...
That range doesn't seem that good, but I'm probably looking too short term.
What we really need is a battery breakthrough.
[QUOTE=adam1172;36572045]It looks like its made for the average boring businessman.[/QUOTE]
You basically nailed it.
The chevy volt is the same way. It's sold as a luxury car because the tech is expensive, and nobody's going to pay $40K for a silly looking car.
I'm glad that the car looks like a good normal boring car. You shouldn't be able to tell someone is driving an electric vehicle just by it's looks. That's the problem with the EV market. No body want's to drive some ugly box car. People want decent practical vehicles. The big problem is the price, obviously. But that's going to go down as they work on it.
[QUOTE=OvB;36565112]I just realized, since the engine is in the back, and the front is actually more cargo space, that grille is purely aesthetic. A staple of design, steaming from the need for combustion engines to need fresh air. Something this car does not necessarily need.[/QUOTE]
i really wish it was an engine car. it looks fantastic.
[QUOTE=Memobot;36573040]It's the shape of the new Mondeo.
Not that interested. Plug in vehicles will not work for one reason: people haven't though about replacing petrol stations.
The great thing about owning a car is that if you need it, it's there for you to use and if it needs refuelling you spend a few minutes filling it up.
This Tesla takes FOUR TO FIVE HOURS.
Solution?
Simple. Replace these petrol stations with pre-charged battery centres. These batteries are already fully charged and fitted by the previous employees at the station and swapped for old batteries in a few minutes. Obviously, depends on the easy removal...
That range doesn't seem that good, but I'm probably looking too short term.[/QUOTE]Really the only drawback to electric vehicles in the fact that they take so long to recharge, which is why there is a lot of research being done in trying to extend the range and efficiency of these batteries. There have also been research in to alternate techniques such as using gels that can be pumped out and replaced at fueling stations, and then recycled by those stations for later use.
It's a shame that it's overpriced and slow
[QUOTE=Captain Lawlrus;36573649]It's a shame that it's overpriced and slow[/QUOTE]If you need to do anywhere near 100 MPH outside of an absolute emergency, quit driving immediately.
[QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;36573539]Really the only drawback to electric vehicles in the fact that they take so long to recharge, which is why there is a lot of research being done in trying to extend the range and efficiency of these batteries. There have also been research in to alternate techniques such as using gels that can be pumped out and replaced at fueling stations, and then recycled by those stations for later use.[/QUOTE]
Tesla are also putting up superchargers that charge it up half-way (that's ~130-150 miles) in 30 minutes.
Full charge should take about 90 minutes because it slows down as it gets closer to full.
[editline]1st July 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=Captain Lawlrus;36573649]It's a shame that it's [...] slow[/QUOTE]
I'm sorry how often do you go faster than 120mph/200kmh?
I'm not arguing the motive to speed, I'm just saying that for 100K one would expect it to achieve a faster rate of speed than a nissan maxima
[QUOTE=LarparNar;36573844]Tesla are also putting up superchargers that charge it up half-way (that's ~130-150 miles) in 30 minutes.
Full charge should take about 90 minutes because it slows down as it gets closer to full.
[editline]1st July 2012[/editline]
I'm sorry how often do you go faster than 120mph/200kmh?[/QUOTE]As I recall, Nissan has something similar for the Nissan Leaf at dealers in case of an emergency, but they can reduce the capacity by up to 20% and the overall longevity as I recall.
[QUOTE=Maloof?;36561147]I don't see the great thing about electric cars.
I mean, you're still using electricity from power stations, none of which are all that environmentally friendly[/QUOTE]
That's beyond not true - where I live, the majority of our power is generated from Eco-friendly hydro dams. This is obviously not true everywhere, but it's still a huge improvement
Looks like a Jaguar XF crossed with a saloon ford mondeo.
[QUOTE=Elspin;36573996]That's beyond not true - where I live, the majority of our power is generated from Eco-friendly hydro dams. This is obviously not true everywhere, but it's still a huge improvement[/QUOTE]
Same story here. I get my power from the J. Percy Priest dam, with some supplied by a nuke joint 80-odd miles out into the woods if the dam is overloaded. A lot of the world still runs on coal though. Quite a bit of the Tennessee Valley and Appalachia run on the stuff, for example, and there you're greener using an ICE car because of that.
It may be very true in his area, even though in ours it isn't.
[QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;36573539]Really the only drawback to electric vehicles in the fact that they take so long to recharge, which is why there is a lot of research being done in trying to extend the range and efficiency of these batteries. There have also been research in to alternate techniques such as using gels that can be pumped out and replaced at fueling stations, and then recycled by those stations for later use.[/QUOTE]
There's another drawback for a certain chunk of the car-buying population. They don't sound right. They're too quiet. That's why I'll never buy an EV myself, even after the battery tech gets where it needs to be to be practical. I enjoy the sound of the engine and I enjoy rowing my own gears, two things that EVs just won't do. If I have to I'll run them on a different fuel, but an engine is a must if I'm going to buy a car.
[QUOTE=OvB;36573087]What we really need is a battery breakthrough.[/QUOTE]
Exactly. Until they can find a battery tech that weighs about the same as a full gas tank, fills up from empty in 3-5 minutes, and offers ~300 miles of range per charge, EVs are not going to take off. Nobody wants a car that takes forever to fill up and has a limited range.
4-5 hours is a marked improvement over the other plug-ins on the road but it still isn't anywhere near fast enough.
[QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;36569327]So basically if it were an entirely different car?[/QUOTE]
It wouldn't be an entirely different car. It'd just be powered by an engine instead.
[QUOTE=OvB;36564723]
The EPA tested it and so far it's getting about 265 miles out of it.[/QUOTE]
I put next to no faith in the EPA ratings. They claimed my truck would do 30MPG.
[QUOTE=OvB;36565112]I just realized, since the engine is in the back, and the front is actually more cargo space, that grille is purely aesthetic. A staple of design, steaming from the need for combustion engines to need fresh air. Something this car does not necessarily need.[/QUOTE]
I'm glad it has it though. Makes it look nice.
[QUOTE=garry;36561319]I do quite them them actually. If I'm driving an electric car I want people to know it's electric, to know it's different.
[editline]30th June 2012[/editline]
That's a dumb argument.. but every argument against electric cars is dumb.
Even if you don't count the fumes coming out of the back of the car you're eliminating all the fumes extracting the oil, pumping it, tanking it, shipping it, and delivering it to the petrol station.[/QUOTE]
Class is when you DON'T need to show off you have better stuff. When you just have it.
[QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;36573840]If you need to do anywhere near 100 MPH outside of an absolute emergency, quit driving immediately.[/QUOTE]
Track days, my friend. Track days. Many people buy a sports car capable of those sorts of speeds, then take them to a race track and flog the shit out of them where it's safe to do so. For these people being able to acheive >100MPH is a pretty big selling point, as they'll actually see that speed on a fairly regular basis.
Also, police, fire and EMS services need cars capable of those sorts of speeds, for rather obvious reasons.
[editline]1st July 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=garry;36561319]
That's a dumb argument.. but every argument against electric cars is dumb.[/quote] Not really. There's the perfectly valid "It's nowhere near as practical as an ICE car because it takes so long to charge and runs down in half to a third of the mileage real world" argument, which won't dissipate until they get a battery breakthrough of some sort. Battery tech just simply isn't where it needs to be for EVs to be practical at the moment. There's also the "It doesn't sound right, it doesn't have a manual transmission, heavy batteries hurt handling" argument people who enjoy driving will levy. This is also perfectly valid, they want a car that sounds nice not one that sounds like a milk float. Then there's the whole "Yeah it's green [i]on[/i] the road, but that battery is terrible for the environment in both production and disposal" argument, which again is valid. As long as the drilling rigs and ships aren't run by morons fossil fuels are greener than nickel and lithium based batteries from a production and disposal standpoint.
There's also the whole problem of coal powered power plants.
[quote]Even if you don't count the fumes coming out of the back of the car you're eliminating all the fumes extracting the oil, pumping it, tanking it, shipping it, and delivering it to the petrol station.[/QUOTE]
If your power is generated from a coal fired power plant it's greener to use ICE than it is to use an EV. Coal power is absolutely filthy, and quite a bit of the world still uses it. Why I'll never know, but they do. Over here it's mostly the coal miners bitching about how they'll be out of a job that keeps the TVA running coal plants when they could use something a bit greener, but that only explains why the southeast uses it.
[QUOTE=OvB;36560770]At least it isn't the Nissan Leaf or Chevy Volt.[/QUOTE]
God damnit, I'd better be able to fit a gun-rack in this!
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