• Trump tells Kimmel he'd be willing to debate Sanders for charity
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[QUOTE=Kommodore;50394207]a guy who builds hotels and runs a reality tv show is running for president, it really shouldn't be just me that's throwing their hands in the air [/QUOTE] Reagan was an actor before going into politics.
[QUOTE=Thlis;50394215]That alone does not discredit him for running for president.[/QUOTE] with literally nothing else to commend him on a political or intellectual level it really should [editline]26th May 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Svinnik;50394226]Reagan was an actor before going into politics.[/QUOTE] a completely separate but equal argument
[QUOTE=Kommodore;50394228]with literally nothing else to commend him on a political or intellectual level it really should[/QUOTE] That makes no sense what so ever. If you are going to say someone is a terrible choice for a position then your reasoning should be based on something relevant to that position. It's like saying "he's blonde" is a relevant argument for why he shouldn't be President. And then saying that since he doesn't have political experience this validates the argument that he shouldn't be president because "he's blonde".
no, being blonde is a physical attribute not having any interest whatsoever in civic or political life before running for POTUS is a choice [editline]26th May 2016[/editline] unless interviews with oprah count as political experience
So much of this election cycle has shown me just how smart and cunning of a politician Trump really is, he is absolutely excellent at playing to his crowd and reeling in new voters. The fact that he's garnered troops of supporters of a left-wing self proclaimed socialist to his camp is astonishing. Anti-establishment populism is one hell of a drug.
[QUOTE=Kommodore;50394135]honestly couldn't care less what even my own candidates have to say in the context of a conversation with donald trump. a complete fucking waste of time. trump has dick all to say about anything until a week after the fact in some charged press release when he's done consulting with people who've briefed him. we can expect some mono-fucking-syllabic trash talk that challenges the english language which the media will pan to great applause and sanders will get a brief farty wind in trump's wake amdist the doldrums of this nightmare election and everything will result inexorably in hillary with her hand on a bible on a shitty DC morning sometime in november.[/QUOTE] Something that I have learned over the past few years: use periods more often. It reads better and helps your case when you're talking about someone else destroying the English language. Secondly, it'll be a shitshow, but it'll be an even worse shitshow if Trump goes without a debate. He needs to be taken seriously instead of blown off, because blowing Trump off means blowing off his ever-increasing following, which is just shooting yourself in the foot. If you don't take his followers seriously, they won't take you seriously and will be pushed farther into their mindset as opposed to considering your viewpoint. [QUOTE=Kommodore;50394228]a completely separate but equal argument[/QUOTE] Would you rather Trump have gone through a rigorous process in which he learns how to bullshit in the political game? As far as I'm concerned, [I]most[/I] politicians are garbage. Trump is just using the opportunity given by how far our politicians have dragged the country down. Don't blame Trump for being popular, blame the Republicans and the Democrats, blame Congress, blame the country, blame our population. If it wasn't Trump taking the ballot, it would be some dumbass Republican doing the same thing with a little more restraint in language. And honestly, I think that Clinton is just a repackaged version of a Republican - just replace the Republican ideals with moderate Democratic ideals - she still plays the game. It's not one individual that's fucked up, it's [I]all of them[/I]. It's the entire system.
[QUOTE=Maegord;50394025]It seems like at this point that Sanders really is going all in on his polling argument. The more of his supporter he can get to say they support him against Trump in a theoretical match up, but that they support Trump if it's against Clinton, the better his argument becomes. That way the disparity between the two grows greater and greater, in order to scare super delegates terrified of a President Trump into giving it to Sanders at the convention floor. That strategy, though, probably has somewhere between a 0 and 1% chance of working, as his pledged delegate totals are still far behind, and the June contests aren't looking all that hot for him. And if it doesn't work, all he'll have done is gotten more of his supporters over onto the Republicans side come November. It's in some ways ironic, considering that Sanders really hates Ralph Nader for serving as a spoiler in 2000 that gave Bush the election over Gore, but it seems that Sanders may yet become the same thing, at least to a minor extent if he continues to be used by the Republicans like this.[/QUOTE] I entirely disagree that Sanders is trying to get his supporters to support Trump over Hillary, especially since he's been on the record saying he does not want to be responsible for electing a right wing Republican to office (also the fact that Trump goes against literally everything Bernie stands for. ) The only people conjuring up these ideas are the young and inexperienced voters who just started caring about politics when Bernie showed up. [editline]26th May 2016[/editline] Bernie Sanders is a very smart man and I really doubt he would be petty enough to be willingly throwing the election to Trump in spite of Hillary, it's not in his character at all.
While I expect Bernie to carry a good argument and throw in a few sick zingers, I bet the majority of this will just be Trump shouting his usual crap to stir up the crowd, repeating the same insults and nicknames, and later tweeting that he was the victor.
Please let this happen!
Probably not going to happen, once again it was probably another "white lie". Just says what people want to hear... [media]https://twitter.com/SopanDeb/status/735830924164620288[/media]
[QUOTE=ZachPL;50395823]Probably not going to happen, once again it was probably another "white lie". Just says what people want to hear... [media]https://twitter.com/SopanDeb/status/735830924164620288[/media][/QUOTE] Damn, and I was looking forward to seeing them debate too.
It only makes sanders look better that Clinton and trump both said they would debate but then backed off
Before everyone starts dismissing the importance of this, just think for a moment about the possible impact it could have. Donald Trump is the embodiment of everything Sanders has been fighting against his entire career. Sanders despises the political establishment on both sides, but he's been very clear that he prefers Hillary Clinton to Donald Trump. This debate provides a unique opportunity for Sanders to pitch his platform and criticize Clinton where necessary, but also defend her (and her supporters) against Trump. Clinton can post all the anti-Trump tweets she wants, but Sanders will be [I]in the room[/I] with the man--He beats her to the punch, which lends further credibility to his polling argument. Sanders is probably the only candidate from this entire race who is well enough positioned to walk away with a victory at this debate. His insistence on returning to the issues and not stooping down could quite possibly be Trump's kryptonite. During the debate, Sanders will probably act as though Trump isn't even there. Trump is a troll who survives on attention, and being ignored will infuriate him. And if Trump dares to interrupt Sanders during his time, I have no doubt Sanders will literally tell the man to shut the hell up. I'd like to see THAT go uncovered by CNN. Take all of this together, and it potentially could lead to Sanders pulling support both from Donald Trump's base (by validating their grievances and providing them with specific policies, rather than hateful rhetoric) AND Hillary Clinton's (by showing that he's the best candidate to take on Trump).
[QUOTE=ZachPL;50395823]Probably not going to happen, once again it was probably another "white lie". Just says what people want to hear... [media]https://twitter.com/SopanDeb/status/735830924164620288[/media][/QUOTE] Maybe if Bernie tweets "Dirty Don is a chicken" then Trump will feel the need to debate him.
[QUOTE=Bread_Baron;50396012]Maybe if Bernie tweets "Dirty Don is a chicken" then Trump will feel the need to debate him.[/QUOTE] "And I thought Hillary was supposed to be the flip-flopper! Dirty Don is scared of an old socialist." Do it, Bernie. [editline]26th May 2016[/editline] Trump Stumped: Colonel Sanders Routs the Teflon Don
If he was REALLY backing out, don't you think he'd tweet it himself?
[QUOTE=.Isak.;50393935] I'll watch it, but I'm annoyed at Sanders for not calling this bluff. Trump will walk all over Sanders and phrase things in a way to agree with Sanders, spotlighting corruption in the political process especially. Plenty of people are ignorant enough of policy, lacking in conviction, and gullible enough to choke down on Trump's rhetoric and swing their vote to Trump, [B]even though Hillary is much, much closer to Sanders on the vast majority of policy issues.[/B][/QUOTE] Assuming she has any intention at all to carry out the policies that she copied from Sanders. Which she doesn't. Stop trying to pretend that Hillary is somehow the "lesser evil" lol
[media]https://twitter.com/rubycramer/status/735866795362390016[/media]
[QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;50396042]"And I thought Hillary was supposed to be the flip-flopper! Dirty Don is scared of an old socialist." Do it, Bernie. [editline]26th May 2016[/editline] Trump Stumped: Colonel Sanders Routs the Teflon Don[/QUOTE] Sanders camp told CNN, "they hope he doesn't chicken out" [url]http://www.cnn.com/2016/05/26/politics/bernie-sanders-donald-trump-debate/[/url]
I love how they're blatantly goading him into debating lol. Hopefully they'll corner him into not being able to back out. Trump's so dismissive of Sanders, he doesn't even know what he's getting into. Sanders will be a fierce opponent.
This is so exciting! The debate everyone has been wanting and waiting for is actually happening.
Bern victims are so smug in this thread. A reminder: Bernie will not get the nomination no matter how well he'll perform. It's not like Donald can give him his spare delegates :D
For anyone believing the whole 'Trump was kidding acc to sources' its been confirmed Trump does want to debate and will if networks donate 10 million to charity. Its a win win for both for Bern and Trump
[QUOTE=dmc12;50397241]Bern victims are so smug in this thread. A reminder: Bernie will not get the nomination no matter how well he'll perform. It's not like Donald can give him his spare delegates :D[/QUOTE] I wasn't denying that the election isn't in his favor, but I don't think you need to be shoving that in our faces like it's an objective fact, especially since the nomination hasn't even actually come around yet. Besides, there's no reason people shouldn't be able to get a chance to enjoy a debate between Sanders vs. Trump.
[QUOTE=FetusFondler;50396157]Assuming she has any intention at all to carry out the policies that she copied from Sanders. Which she doesn't. Stop trying to pretend that Hillary is somehow the "lesser evil" lol[/QUOTE] I'm glad you know exactly what Hillary intends to do. So many psychics on this forum. I've been researching her history and her policy and the accusations that she's some corrupt person who lies about every issue that's every existed are patently false. Is she corrupt? Probably a bit. Is she inconsistent? Sometimes. Do I like her? Nope. Is she the lesser evil? Abso-fucking-lutely. What policies did she "copy" from Sanders? TPP? Minimum wage? What else? Campaign finance? Financial regulations? Her previous positions on trade deals show she takes them on a case-by-case basis, and she rejected the TPP less than 48 hours after the draft was finalized - she only supported it during negotiations before the actual policies in it had been finalized, and she almost immediately reneged her support after understanding those policies. She's spoken against NAFTA, she campaigned against CAFTA - she's hardly a huge supporter of all free trade policies, and her backing out of her endorsement of the TPP isn't flip-flopping, it's being politically knowledgeable enough to recognize when a bill isn't what you were hoping it would be. She supported raising the minimum wage in the 90's to $7.25, and she adjusted from a $12 minimum to a $15 minimum [i]to compete with Sanders[/i]. That's how elections work. It's not "copying his positions," it's adjusting to compete. Bumping up her minimum wage position $3 is hardly stealing his entire message. Hillary was outspoken in favor of Dodd-Frank. She's been in favor of financial regulations for a long while. Is she as strong as Bernie on it? No, not at all. But she hasn't copied his position on it and her policies still differ from Bernie's. I don't like Hillary, but the cheap rhetoric used against her by Bernie fans (not Bernie, he's been good about that) is frustrating beyond belief. Policy-wise, she's not that awful a flip-flopper compared to someone like Trump. Her changes in policy take place over decades, not weeks, and she has nuanced political views that don't easily translate to internet memes and viral facebook posts. I disagree with her on fundamental issues, but she's absolutely a lesser evil than Trump with a Republican House. Anyone going "Bernie or Bust" is abandoning every progressive value they have to be anti-establishment. They're not progressive voters, they're anti-establishment voters. Their political opinions amount to "but I don't like our current government," and they couldn't give a shit on [i]how[/i] that government changes so long as something does. Nothing about policy, just rhetoric. Cheap.
The issue with getting this debate organized is finding a host that would donate all of the showing's proceeds to charity. Sanders has wanted a debate like this for a while, and regardless of what it'll do to Trump's ratings, both Trump and Sanders need to address the broken political system. That's probably the main reason Trump would go for it. He'd get the added bonus of publically debating someone on the opposite political spectrum, so it'll be a nice warmup for when the nominees are finalized.
I doubt it'll happen-- the Democrat party strictly forbids candidates debating with those of other parties during the primaries.
[QUOTE=Monkah;50397675]I doubt it'll happen-- the Democrat party strictly forbids candidates debating with those of other parties during the primaries.[/QUOTE] There won't be any more democratic debates so it doesn't matter. They can't stop him even if they tried.
[QUOTE=dmc12;50397241]Bern victims are so smug in this thread. A reminder: Bernie will not get the nomination no matter how well he'll perform. It's not like Donald can give him his spare delegates :D[/QUOTE] California alone could put him in the lead
[QUOTE=cody8295;50397983]California alone could put him in the lead[/QUOTE] (which hes expected to lose by 10-20 points)
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