Declassified Documents Show Bush Administration Looked For Excuse To Start War In Iraq - Polidicks

[QUOTE=R3mix;25008791]- They lied to the world - We INVADED ANOTHER COUNTRY - We basically REPLACED THEIR GOVERNMENT - They lied to the American Public - They wasted tax payers money for their own benefits - Thousands of people were killed - Countless troops died - We're STILL THERE but now leaving thanks to OBAMA. - They lied about WMD - They probably went there for only oil - They tortured people - They passed the PATRIOT ACT which is COMPLETELY UNCONSTITUTIONAL Must I say more?[/QUOTE] Hit me with some more LARGE WORDS, i'm not convinced yet.

Don't these documents in turn add more credibility to the 9/11 conspiracies? It seems to me this is like the modus operandi the government maintains that lends more legitimacy to truther claims.

[QUOTE=Zeddy;25008514]Charged with what? Starting a stupid war? That's not a crime, just stupid. Looking for an excuse? Big deal, people do it at all the time. Like it or not, they did nothing they could be charged with.[/QUOTE] So they totally started a false war for profitteering, that's a war crime I'm fairly sure, and is punishable. But hey, whatever, it's just a war that people died in. No big deal. [editline]02:45PM[/editline] [QUOTE=Zeddy;25008574]Yes they did. Overwhelmingly by both sides. As for WMDs, that came up a while ago and has already been stated that they fucked up their investigations. And the US does not need authorization from the UN. The UN has limited enforcement capabilities. It can't enforce laws on member nations, and it can't even establish tribunals in the U.S.[/QUOTE] There were no WMD's whatsoever, stop trying to justify the war. There were barrels of unactivated chemical weapons, no WMD's. [editline]02:47PM[/editline] [QUOTE=Uberman77883;25008207]What they did was bad, but what Saddam did was much worse.[/QUOTE] Why is it that you defend the dumbest things?

[QUOTE=ShukaidoX;25025127]Don't these documents in turn add more credibility to the 9/11 conspiracies?[/QUOTE] Nope! [editline]11:08PM[/editline] [QUOTE=Zeddy;25008514]Charged with what? Starting a stupid war? That's not a crime, just stupid. Looking for an excuse? Big deal, people do it at all the time. Like it or not, they did nothing they could be charged with.[/QUOTE] [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_crime[/url]

Care to back up your claim or are you still talking out of your ass?

[QUOTE=Copy_Cat;25017565]I did get a few people minds open at work but thats just it, only a few had a brain and knows what's going on now.[/QUOTE] lol they say they agree with you so you'll shut the fuck up, that's how everyone deals with annoying conspiracy tards [editline]05:31PM[/editline] [QUOTE=ShukaidoX;25025806]Care to back up your claim or are you still talking out of your ass?[/QUOTE] no you back up your claim and show me how exactly these make you more convinced in an inside job and "it proves Bush is an asshole" doesn't count I think you're an idiot, that doesn't make it safe to assume you're a runner in the special olympics

[QUOTE=R3mix;25009622]So to summarize all your words. You're basically okay with the Government breaking the law and innocent people dying? Okay, cool. Your opinion, I've got my own.[/QUOTE] Come on, what are we, 12? Try and at least act like you're intelligent. Specifically in reference to the war in the Middle East. There were some mistakes made, but there were terrible, horrific mass-murders and ethnic cleansing operations going on by his hand. [quote=http://www.moreorless.au.com/killers/hussein.html]... Over 100,000 Kurds killed or "disappeared". No reliable figures for the number of Iraqi dissidents and Shia Muslims killed during Saddam's reign, though estimates put the figure between 60,000 and 150,000. (Mass graves discovered following the US occupation of Iraq in 2003 suggest that the total combined figure for Kurds, Shias and dissidents killed could be as high as 300,000). Approximately 500,000 Iraqi children dead because of international trade sanctions introduced following the Gulf War. [/quote] He was an unstable dictator, who had the very strong possibility of acquiring highly destructive, possibly nuclear, weapons. What really are the options here? Nuke the country? Assassinate his administration and leave? As for the PATRIOT ACT, specifically which PARTS do you FIND UNCONSTITUTIONAL, because I personally am not that aggravated by it. (I'm honestly sick and tired of people walking around blaming everything on Bush, with no real premise to their argument other than "It was wrong!")

[QUOTE=Bulaba0;25026265]As for the PATRIOT ACT, specifically which PARTS do you FIND UNCONSTITUTIONAL, because I personally am not that aggravated by it.[/QUOTE] unwarranted search and seizure [editline]05:37PM[/editline] also you can't act like we did it because we're the good guys stopping dictators because we just sat back and did nothing about Rwanda

i'd just like to also add that shuk is stupid and should kill himself

Do you guys even pay attention to sources anymore? I hardly buy into any of this. Give me another source as strolling through this one it doesn't seem very reliable.

[QUOTE=Bulaba0;25026265] Specifically in reference to the war in the Middle East. There were some mistakes made, but there were terrible, horrific mass-murders and ethnic cleansing operations going on by his hand. As for the PATRIOT ACT, specifically which PARTS do you FIND UNCONSTITUTIONAL, because I personally am not that aggravated by it.[/QUOTE] First off, the number of civilian causalities taken place as a result of our occuption the of middle east is FAR superior to the number killed under the previous regime. I'm not saying what was done prior to our arrival was okay, but we are only making it worse causing instability there. [quote][B]1,033,000 civilian deaths as a result of the conflict[/B][/quote]Also, let me get this straight: You don't mind having the government warrantlessly tap your phone, your email, even your searching habits? You also don't mind being able to have your house broken into while your away, and left to look like nothing happened? These are just a few of the atrocious human rights violations that we have had to put up with since 9/11.

[QUOTE=Bulaba0;25026265]Come on, what are we, 12? Try and at least act like you're intelligent. Specifically in reference to the war in the Middle East. There were some mistakes made, but there were terrible, horrific mass-murders and ethnic cleansing operations going on by his hand. He was an unstable dictator, who had the very strong possibility of acquiring highly destructive, possibly nuclear, weapons. What really are the options here? Nuke the country? Assassinate his administration and leave? As for the PATRIOT ACT, specifically which PARTS do you FIND UNCONSTITUTIONAL, because I personally am not that aggravated by it. (I'm honestly sick and tired of people walking around blaming everything on Bush, with no real premise to their argument other than "It was wrong!")[/QUOTE] I don't care if he was an unstable dictator, the fact we invaded a foreign country on bullshit propaganda and a Government who lies to its people about several things, one which we might now know as 9/11, our options are EXTREMELY wide open. It's called the United Nations, they're supposed to be dealing with these type of world affairs, the USA is NOT the World Police. The PATRIOT ACT is unconstitutional the unwarranted search and seizure, wiretaps, all that bull shit, it's a violation of our Fourth Amendment.

They can't be charged because these men have immunity from what I understand, the entire Bush administration was pardoned for their crimes and Obama ended the investigation into the matter.

[QUOTE=ShukaidoX;25025806]Care to back up your claim or are you still talking out of your ass?[/QUOTE] Mr. NWO wants me to back up my claim. go whine about FEMA camps.

[QUOTE=Warhol;25026508]Mr. NWO wants me to back up my claim. go whine about FEMA camps.[/QUOTE] Warhol you typical sheeple they have plastic coffins obvious death camp [editline]05:49PM[/editline] when will you WAKE UP and help me FIGHT THE POWER on THE INTERNET

oh god the internet

still waiting for your side of the argument instead of the incessant 'lol ad hom'

you're a fucking lunatic who thinks 9/11 created FEMA camps, there's no arguing with you.

[QUOTE=Copy_Cat;25017565]Ok I shall continue. - Years from now our Constitution will be destroyed. - The North American Union was formed in 2005 - Just last week I've seen the 3 flags at a Chruylser Plant on 12 Mile and Vankdyke - The flags represented the United States, Mexico, and Canada. - The Amero is coming soon. - The Amero gas station is here in Detroit. - Still think the New World Order doesn't exist. - THINK AGAIN. [editline]08:04PM[/editline] If only there were more people like us. I did get a few people minds open at work but thats just it, only a few had a brain and knows what's going on now.[/QUOTE] What

[QUOTE=Bulaba0;25026265]Come on, what are we, 12? Try and at least act like you're intelligent. Specifically in reference to the war in the Middle East. There were some mistakes made, but there were terrible, horrific mass-murders and ethnic cleansing operations going on by his hand. He was an unstable dictator, who had the very strong possibility of acquiring highly destructive, possibly nuclear, weapons. What really are the options here? Nuke the country? Assassinate his administration and leave? As for the PATRIOT ACT, specifically which PARTS do you FIND UNCONSTITUTIONAL, because I personally am not that aggravated by it. (I'm honestly sick and tired of people walking around blaming everything on Bush, with no real premise to their argument other than "It was wrong!")[/QUOTE] America DOES NOT NEED TO BE A FUCKING POLICE NATION. It does not need to step in for "Dictators that have the possibility of something". Jesus christ. [editline]04:51PM[/editline] [QUOTE=ShukaidoX;25026874]still waiting for your side of the argument instead of the incessant 'lol ad hom'[/QUOTE] Say something worthy of reasonable response, and you'll get more than that I'm sure.

[IMG]http://cdn.newsone.com/files/2009/08/joe-george-bush-picture-1202.jpg[/IMG] [I]How Start war?[/I]

[QUOTE=R3mix;25008791]- They lied to the world - We INVADED ANOTHER COUNTRY - We basically REPLACED THEIR GOVERNMENT - They lied to the American Public - They wasted tax payers money for their own benefits - Thousands of people were killed - Countless troops died - We're STILL THERE but now leaving thanks to OBAMA. - They lied about WMD - They probably went there for only oil - They tortured people - They passed the PATRIOT ACT which is COMPLETELY UNCONSTITUTIONAL Must I say more?[/QUOTE] Add the charge that irreplacable archaeological material from cradle of civilization in the region was lost and you have the lot. (see a book called 'Rape of Persia' for more.)

:bravo:

I read somewhere that the day he came into office, he asked officials to look into possible ways of invading Iraq.

That's pretty much what the article is saying. If that's true, then they were planning this stuff since the earlier 2000-2001 years. :tinfoil:

Could I get sources that back the validity of this?

The OP has the source.

[QUOTE=ShukaidoX;25028538]That's pretty much what the article is saying. If that's true, then they were planning this stuff since the earlier 2000-2001 years. :tinfoil:[/QUOTE] The war sure, but does that mean they planned 9/11? Doubtful, and IF 9/11 was planned by the US, it wouldn't have been by anyone in the presidential area of government. It would have been a spook or something like that, not the bloody president. [editline]06:09PM[/editline] Hell, the chances of it being planned anyways are so low I don't know why I'm telling you this.

so he did 9/11 to justify invading Iraq, wrote in this memo that using 9/11 was a good idea, then said fuck it and went with WMDs. Yeah, doubt it.

Just popping in here to say that justifying invading a country by framing... a different country for a terrorist attack is laughably absurd.