Declassified Documents Show Bush Administration Looked For Excuse To Start War In Iraq - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Xen Tricks;25030135]Just popping in here to say that justifying invading a country by framing... a different country for a terrorist attack is laughably absurd.[/QUOTE] Because it's totally never happened before. :downs: [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish%E2%80%93American_War[/url]

[QUOTE=R3mix;25030270]Because it's totally never happened before. :downs: [URL]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish%E2%80%93American_War[/URL][/QUOTE] You are seriously the densest fuck I have ever seen on this board. You literally can not read, that isn't the same at all [QUOTE]Though then, as now, the cause and responsibility for her sinking were unclear; popular opinion in the U.S. blamed Spain, and the sinking (popularized in the phrase [I]Remember the Maine, to Hell with Spain![/I]) was one of the precipitating events of the [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish%E2%80%93American_War"]Spanish–American War[/URL].[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Maine_%28ACR-1%29#cite_note-The_Destruction_of_USS_Maine-3"][3][/URL][URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Maine_%28ACR-1%29#cite_note-The_Spanish-American_War_1898-4"][4][/URL][/QUOTE] It was blamed on Spain, and they went to war with Spain. This was blamed on Al-Qaeda, a group in Afganistan, and... they went to war with Iraq.

Yet, inevitably we went to Iraq no? Enabling a pretext to get to the middle east regardless is scandalous to say the least.

[QUOTE=ShukaidoX;25030695]Yet, inevitably we went to Iraq no? Enabling a pretext to get to the middle east regardless is scandalous to say the least.[/QUOTE] Do you have any idea how much easier it would have been to tie something "justifiable" to Saddam and Iraq, rather than doing something absurd and lengthy and costly and dangerous and everything else that a 9/11 hoax would be? We could have just said to begin with Iraq has weapons, or was doing something bad, and we could have invaded and been just fine.

...Except for the fact that there would have been citizens in the streets screaming bloody murder if the government was gonna put us through another war without some traumatic event to convince us it was the right thing to do.

[QUOTE=ShukaidoX;25030771]...Except for the fact that there would have been citizens in the streets screaming bloody murder if the government was gonna put us through another war without some traumatic event to convince us it was the right thing to do.[/QUOTE] Ah ha ha ha no. Did you miss my point about how people know, and knew, that 9/11 has absolutely, positively nothing to do with Iraq or Saddam? 9/11 gave us pretext to invade Afghanistan, Iraq didn't have diddly squat to do with 9/11 and that's why Bush had to lie about WMDs. The War in Iraq and War in Afghanistan are two totally different things that don't have linked justifications.

[QUOTE=Xen Tricks;25030812]Ah ha ha ha no. Did you miss my point about how people know, and knew, that 9/11 has absolutely, positively nothing to do with Iraq or Saddam? 9/11 gave us pretext to invade Afghanistan, Iraq didn't have diddly squat to do with 9/11 and that's why Bush had to lie about WMDs. The War in Iraq and War in Afghanistan are two totally different things that don't have linked justifications.[/QUOTE] Alright, sure. I acknowledge this. However, if there's one thing for sure about history, it's that it repeats. Everytime we've ever gotten into a conflict there was a traumatic event that was there to convince the people that it was right. Bush needed just that to be able to get into the Middle East in the first place, that plus the media hype about WMD's and the people were sold the idea it was needed.

[QUOTE=ShukaidoX;25030846]Alright, sure. I acknowledge this. However, if there's one thing for sure about history, it's that it repeats. Everytime we've ever gotten into a conflict there was so traumatic even that was there to convince the people that it was right. Bush needed just that to be able to get into the Middle East in the first place, that plus the media hype about WMD's and the people were sold the idea it was needed.[/QUOTE] We didn't need traumatic justification to get into the Vietnam War, or WW1, or the Korean War, or Gulf War...

In the order you listed: Gulf of Tonkin, the sinking of the Lusitania, and those are the only two I know after the spanish-american war.

[QUOTE=ShukaidoX;25030947]In the order you listed: Gulf of Tonkin, the sinking of the Lusitania, and those are the only two I know after the spanish-american war.[/QUOTE] Ok fine, those were wrong. But regardless, we didn't have personal traumatic justification for the Gulf War, it was just the deal with the kurds, and the Korean War support by the US was spurned by the UN.

He wanted revenge for his daddy. I've believed this since 2006, glad to see this affirming it. Although glad isn't quite the right word.

[QUOTE=ShukaidoX;25030771]...Except for the fact that there would have been citizens in the streets screaming bloody murder if the government was gonna put us through another war without some traumatic event to convince us it was the right thing to do.[/QUOTE] you don't need everyone to want to go to war as long as you have rednecks to back you and shittons of executive power people really weren't thrilled about Iraq when it started either

[QUOTE=ShukaidoX;25028538]That's pretty much what the article is saying. If that's true, then they were planning this stuff since the earlier 2000-2001 years. :tinfoil:[/QUOTE] His father was almost assissinated by Saddam. I think he's pretty pissed at that. [editline]11:53AM[/editline] [QUOTE=ShukaidoX;25030695]Yet, inevitably we went to Iraq no? Enabling a pretext to get to the middle east regardless is scandalous to say the least.[/QUOTE] 9/11 wasn't his focal point. He tried to play off "Saddam and Osama were boyfriends" but that point was so fucking moot it's not even funny. [editline]11:58AM[/editline] [QUOTE=ShukaidoX;25030771]...Except for the fact that there would have been citizens in the streets screaming bloody murder if the government was gonna put us through another war without some traumatic event to convince us it was the right thing to do.[/QUOTE] Vietnam? Korea? Spanis-American war? WW1? The Gulf war for fucks sake. There was no traumatic event for any of those. And Vietnam DID have people screaming in the streets when the war started. And guess what, that was the longest war in American history. [editline]11:59AM[/editline] [QUOTE=ShukaidoX;25030947]In the order you listed: Gulf of Tonkin, the sinking of the Lusitania, and those are the only two I know after the spanish-american war.[/QUOTE] Those weren't traumatic. [editline]12:00PM[/editline] And the fucking sinking of the Lusitania did happen. That U-boat missle didn't come out of no where.

[QUOTE=R3mix;25008791]- They lied to the world - We INVADED ANOTHER COUNTRY - We basically REPLACED THEIR GOVERNMENT - They lied to the American Public - They wasted tax payers money for their own benefits - Thousands of people were killed - Countless troops died - We're STILL THERE but now leaving thanks to OBAMA. - They lied about WMD - They probably went there for only oil - They tortured people - They passed the PATRIOT ACT which is COMPLETELY UNCONSTITUTIONAL Must I say more?[/QUOTE] They were there for more than just oil... Recent publications have suggested that Afghanistan has a substantial amount of natural resources, far more than anyone previously knew... This is slightly off topic but I love it when people say we were just being world police and helping out another country, when we support some of the most radical, psyco dictators who kill all their opposition JUST because they are in with our business interests. And the only time we "help out a struggling country" is when they have a dictator that does not trade with us, we then overthrow the leader, put in another dictator who will trade resources and make crap for us and pretend like nothing ever happened. [editline]02:32PM[/editline] [QUOTE=Warhol;25036567]His father was almost assissinated by Saddam. I think he's pretty pissed at that. [editline]11:53AM[/editline] 9/11 wasn't his focal point. He tried to play off "Saddam and Osama were boyfriends" but that point was so fucking moot it's not even funny. [editline]11:58AM[/editline] Vietnam? Korea? Spanis-American war? WW1? The Gulf war for fucks sake. There was no traumatic event for any of those. And Vietnam DID have people screaming in the streets when the war started. And guess what, that was the longest war in American history. [editline]11:59AM[/editline] Those weren't traumatic. [editline]12:00PM[/editline] And the fucking sinking of the Lusitania did happen. That U-boat missle didn't come out of no where.[/QUOTE] I'm assuming someone has mentioned the gulf of Tonkin resolution by now, correct?

[QUOTE=Chilean;25026570]Warhol you typical sheeple they have plastic coffins obvious death camp [editline]05:49PM[/editline] when will you WAKE UP and help me FIGHT THE POWER on THE INTERNET[/QUOTE] When you get off my dick.

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;25027715]America DOES NOT NEED TO BE A FUCKING POLICE NATION. It does not need to step in for "Dictators that have the possibility of something". Jesus christ. [editline]04:51PM[/editline] Say something worthy of reasonable response, and you'll get more than that I'm sure.[/QUOTE] Because a nation who is growing a military and attempting to acquire weapons, who openly states that they hate and want to destroy the US isn't a serious threat? [QUOTE=ShukaidoX;25026464] Also, let me get this straight: You don't mind having the government warrantlessly tap your phone, your email, even your searching habits?[/QUOTE] I don't give a flying shit, because I'm not a terrorist and have nothing to hide, and websites themselves track my habits more anyways. [QUOTE=ShukaidoX;25026464]You also don't mind being able to have your house broken into while your away, and left to look like nothing happened?[/QUOTE] Honestly, conspiracy much? Government abducted me in my sleep and rearranged my furniture. :v: [QUOTE=ShukaidoX;25026464]These are just a few of the atrocious human rights violations that we have had to put up with since 9/11[/QUOTE] Equal to the mass-murdering of innocent people because they're a different ethnic group?

[QUOTE=Lambeth;25027376]What[/QUOTE] Ok I shall continue. With more clear thoughts. - The Patroit Act is now put into the Constitution which is unconstitutional of unwatned Searches and Sezisures more of like Martail Law. - In The Year of 2005 when President Bush was in office he made trips into Canada and Mexico of talks to form the North American Union. With both of the other Representatives Sound Familier? European Union? - The European Union was formed out of 27 Countries and the NAU was formed out of the 3 Countries. USA/ Canada/ New Mexico = NAU - The Amero is coming soon HELL Maybe this year. - The Amero gas station is here in Detroit. - In the Game Industry, Music, and the Movie Industry the Eye of Rah and Pryamids are seen in childrens movies and in their shows. Still think the New World Order doesn't exist.

FEMA camps!

[QUOTE=Copy_Cat;25041257]Ok I shall continue. With more clear thoughts. - The Patroit Act is now put into the Constitution which is unconstitutional of unwatned Searches and Sezisures more of like Martail Law. - In The Year of 2005 when President Bush was in office he made trips into Canada and Mexico of talks to form the North American Union. With both of the other Representatives Sound Familier? European Union? - The European Union was formed out of 27 Countries and the NAU was formed out of the 3 Countries. USA/ Canada/ New Mexico = NAU - The Amero is coming soon HELL Maybe this year. - The Amero gas station is here in Detroit. - In the Game Industry, Music, and the Movie Industry the Eye of Rah and Pryamids are seen in childrens movies and in their shows. Still think the New World Order doesn't exist.[/QUOTE] Holy shit that was illogical. If you aren't being sarcastic, you might be the dumbest person on Facepunch.

[QUOTE=booster;25027896][img_thumb]http://cdn.newsone.com/files/2009/08/joe-george-bush-picture-1202.jpg[/img_thumb] [I]How Start war?[/I][/QUOTE] [url=http://www.somethingawful.com/flash/shmorky/babby.swf]How is babby formed?[/url]

It's this thread again. NWO nutters lalalalalala ing and acting superior and calling others close minded when it is them who are the close minded ones. Watch this thread get to 20 pages where the nutters leave because they run out of argument.

Late by 9 years.

[QUOTE=ShukaidoX;25030947]In the order you listed: Gulf of Tonkin, the sinking of the Lusitania, and those are the only two I know after the spanish-american war.[/QUOTE] Prooves my point. He left the WTC 7 thread for this one and shouts the same thing.

[QUOTE=Copy_Cat;25041257]Ok I shall continue. With more clear thoughts. - The Patroit Act is now put into the Constitution which is unconstitutional of unwatned Searches and Sezisures more of like Martail Law. - In The Year of 2005 when President Bush was in office he made trips into Canada and Mexico of talks to form the North American Union. With both of the other Representatives Sound Familier? European Union? - The European Union was formed out of 27 Countries and the NAU was formed out of the 3 Countries. USA/ Canada/ New Mexico = NAU - The Amero is coming soon HELL Maybe this year. - The Amero gas station is here in Detroit. - In the Game Industry, Music, and the Movie Industry the Eye of Rah and Pryamids are seen in childrens movies and in their shows. Still think the New World Order doesn't exist.[/QUOTE] Whats wrong with a North American Union? You're kidding in general right?

If the americans were a bit more sane, I would be in favour too. But, well... I don't really need to go into any great detail.

Chemical weapons are classified as WMDs. Saddam had previously used chemical weapons, against his own people; he also wasn't the sort of boy to simply destroy them all just because the UN said so. Thus, there was cause for suspicion that Saddam still possessed WMDs.

[QUOTE=Dr_Funk;25052173]Chemical weapons are classified as WMDs. Saddam had previously used chemical weapons, against his own people; he also wasn't the sort of boy to simply destroy them all just because the UN said so. Thus, there was cause for suspicion that Saddam still possessed WMDs.[/QUOTE] except the UN forced him to.

This is the equivalent of the Pentagon Papers in 1971, and it's barely a news story today. Kind of sad. [editline]06:59PM[/editline] [QUOTE=Dr_Funk;25052173]Chemical weapons are classified as WMDs. Saddam had previously used chemical weapons, against his own people; he also wasn't the sort of boy to simply destroy them all just because the UN said so. Thus, there was cause for suspicion that Saddam still possessed WMDs.[/QUOTE] The point here is that in 2001, we ware already looking for reasons to go to war with Iraq. WMDs just happened to be the most believable excuse for war.

[QUOTE=Dr_Funk;25052173]Chemical weapons are classified as WMDs. Saddam had previously used chemical weapons, against his own people; he also wasn't the sort of boy to simply destroy them all just because the UN said so. Thus, there was cause for suspicion that Saddam still possessed WMDs.[/QUOTE] Those were not detailed as WMD's in the reports, they were just labeled "inactive chemical weapons" and not wmd's when they were found. The Bush administration pushed on a NUCLEAR WMD platform, not a chemical one.

[QUOTE=Tetracycline;25050696]Whats wrong with a North American Union? You're kidding in general right?[/QUOTE] So why would you want a North American Union where you can be tracked on a enhnaced driver's license going to Canada and Mexico? Bullshitting Isn't in my thought process I'm being serious. I believe everyone needs to stock up on gold coins when the Crisis Hit. I love Ron Paul and his predictions because most if not all of them became true. [editline]03:51AM[/editline] [QUOTE=jeimizu;25041736]Holy shit that was illogical. If you aren't being sarcastic, you might be the dumbest person on Facepunch.[/QUOTE] I just love it when people call me stupid. Ignorance is your strenght and Knowledge is my power.