Bisexual: A Label With Layers; Tom Daley Comes Out as Bisexual, Igniting L.G.B.T. Debate
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It's quite disgusting isn't it?
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[QUOTE=sltungle;43461483]What the hell are you on about?! [B]Is English your second language or something?[/B][/quote]
Yes.
[quote]Minority does not mean that AT ALL. I mean the explanation of the word is literally contained within it. 'Minor'. As in, y'know, one of the smaller subsets of a population.
Homosexuality DOES fall into that category. A lesser portion of the population is homosexual than heterosexual.[/QUOTE]
You fail to recognize the power of words. While homosexuals might be a minority group, making "minority" a part of the official terminology would only serve to further the idea that homosexuality is a deviance from normality, which is wrong.
I thought Bisexuality remained to teenagers who are desperate at getting sex, or teenagers on tumblr. Eh,you learn something new everyday.
[sp]Don't worry guys, it was a joke![/sp]
[QUOTE=Kyle902;43461992]Trans people have it worse then the other 3 letters in the LGBT community generally which sucks.[/QUOTE]
Generally speaking the whole trans thing despite being a really old issue has only been acknowledged recently by the public eye, it's still really early and I'm not surprised that they are having so much difficulties at the moment. It's going to get easier for them as time goes on just like homosexuals got it easier as time went on.
It sucks real hard right now but it won't last, is what I'm saying.
As for Bisexuals, the thing is there isn't really any legal action or anything that can be done specifically for their case. Essentially, they will benefit from any and all laws taken to help homosexuals be on a same foot of equality as everyone else (see gay marriage), and for many that is enough to discredit them as needing any actual help.
I can't say I'm exactly worried despite being concerned by all this. I got my right to marry with whoever the hell I want and people I know don't care about me being bi although their vision of bisexuality is a bit off.
Why would Bisexuals be descriminated against? They just like both genders, actually wait what's wrong with liking dudes?
[QUOTE=SpartanXC9;43462365]Why would Bisexuals be descriminated against? They just like both genders, actually wait what's wrong with liking dudes?[/QUOTE]
Some people don't like bisexuals because they are under the false impression that bisexual means slutty.
And many people still don't like homosexuals because they are under the similar and also false impression that homosexuals are depraved perverts who just want to fuck everything.
[QUOTE=SpartanXC9;43462365]Why would Bisexuals be descriminated against? They just like both genders, actually wait what's wrong with liking dudes?[/QUOTE]
people love to complain about things that dont affect them at all
[QUOTE=SpartanXC9;43462365]Why would Bisexuals be descriminated against? They just like both genders, actually wait what's wrong with liking dudes?[/QUOTE]
Because there exists a misconception that:
A) Bisexuals cannot have meaningful relationships with members of either sex
B) Bisexuals are sexual deviants
[QUOTE=Ganerumo;43462419]Some people don't like bisexuals because they are under the false impression that bisexual means slutty.
And many people still don't like homosexuals because they are under the similar and also false impression that homosexuals are depraved perverts who just want to fuck everything.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=WeekendWarrior;43462434]Because there exists a misconception that:
A) Bisexuals cannot have meaningful relationships with members of either sex
B) Bisexuals are sexual deviants[/QUOTE]
Were do people even get these ideas? Just because you like a different gender doesn't mean that your relationship with someone would be any different from a hetero relationship
[QUOTE=SpartanXC9;43462463]Were do people even get these ideas? Just because you like a different gender doesn't mean that your relationship with someone would be any different from a hetero relationship[/QUOTE]
They got the idea from a ton of chicks actually being slutty as fuck and using bisexuality as a pretext.
[QUOTE=WeekendWarrior;43462434]Because there exists a misconception that:
A) Bisexuals cannot have meaningful relationships with members of either sex
B) Bisexuals are sexual deviants[/QUOTE]
C) Bisexuals are insecure and in denial about admitting their "true sexuality"
I've met both gay and straight people that believe that you can only like one gender, and that bisexuals are just in denial about which gender they really like
[QUOTE=Sgt-NiallR;43461307]Obviously, but in that same world one wouldn't stress oneself out about coming out.
The "correct" response would be one of support and happiness, even if you already knew the person was gay/bi. Dismissing it out of hand, especially when it's so obviously important to them, is a dick move. It says "you know those worries you had? They're stupid." instead of "I'm happy that you're confident enough to tell us."[/QUOTE]
I thought the correct response to someone talking about their private sex life out of the blue is "I don't care, I don't want to hear it".
The only people who'll hear me talking about my sex life are the people involved in it, or if someone asks and I want to tell them.
[QUOTE=demoguy08;43462240]Yes.
You fail to recognize the power of words. While homosexuals might be a minority group, making "minority" a part of the official terminology would only serve to further the idea that homosexuality is a deviance from normality, which is wrong.[/QUOTE]
It [I]is [/I]a deviance from normalcy, in that the majority (and therefore the normal/average) isn't gay or bi.
The idea that something that is not normal is not right is an issue, but it's a separate issue to the usage of the word minority.
[editline]8th January 2014[/editline]
[QUOTE=Silly Sil;43463922]I thought the correct response to someone talking about their private sex life out of the blue is "I don't care, I don't want to hear it".
The only people who'll hear me talking about my sex life are the people involved in it, or if someone asks and I want to tell them.[/QUOTE]
There's a difference between "I blew a dude at that party" and "mum, dad; I'm gay".
[QUOTE=Sgt-NiallR;43463961]There's a difference between "I blew a dude at that party" and "mum, dad; I'm gay".[/QUOTE]
Well, mom and dad can have strong feelings about your future and their potential grandchildren so it indirectly concerns them.
[QUOTE=Silly Sil;43464066]Well, mom and dad can have strong feelings about your future and their potential grandchildren so it indirectly concerns them.[/QUOTE]
And? They can still get grandchildren and shit, we have ways today thanks to science. Your future wouldn't be at risk if people weren't assholes. Mum and dad shouldn't be massively bothered by you coming out.
[QUOTE=hexpunK;43464083]And? They can still get grandchildren and shit, we have ways today thanks to science. Your future wouldn't be at risk if people weren't assholes. Mum and dad shouldn't be massively bothered by you coming out.[/QUOTE]
You misunderstand, there's nothing wrong with coming out to your parents. You are their child, they have some predictions about your future and strong feelings about it. They always imaged you'll have a loving wife and you're going to have a great wedding, and it might be really important to them. They are not interested in your sex life but the consequences of it concern them.
And not everywhere can you adopt children if you are not straight, let alone have one.
[QUOTE=Silly Sil;43464185]You misunderstand, there's nothing wrong with coming out to your parents. You are their child, they have some predictions about your future and strong feelings about it. They always imaged you'll have a loving wife and you're going to have a great wedding, and it might be really important to them. They are not interested in your sex life but the consequences of it concern them.
And not everywhere can you adopt children if you are not straight, let alone have one.[/QUOTE]
Not every parent has that idea of a future for their child. Hell, there are some parents that go so far as to not raise their child with a set gender because they don't know what their child is going to be. You're presuming something that doesn't apply to everyone, especially in this age where people are starting to think forward.
[QUOTE=wulfe8857;43465467]Not every parent has that idea of a future for their child. Hell, there are some parents that go so far as to not raise their child with a set gender because they don't know what their child is going to be. You're presuming something that doesn't apply to everyone, especially in this age where people are starting to think forward.[/QUOTE]
Then there's even less people who you should inform about your sexual life without them asking?
[QUOTE=Simski;43461233](Omni = everything, Pan = Greek goat god and kitchen accessory)[/QUOTE]
[quote]Pan- as a prefix (Greek πᾶν, pan, "all", "of everything", "involving all members" of a group), e.g.: [/quote]
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pan[/url]
It literally means exactly what you're saying.
[QUOTE=Alice3173;43465974][url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pan[/url]
It literally means exactly what you're saying.[/QUOTE]
I know it does, but why use a word so easily mixed up and confusing to a lot of people when Omni is significantly more recognizable in the same context?
Even if I know what pansexual means, there's too many people that don't know what the hell you're talking about when you use that word. So I use the term bisexual, because it's better at getting the message through without as much confusion. Aside from that I also feel that the word is horribly overused by teenagers who in all actuality really still just mean they're bi, so when you use the word to people that recognize it some people will just assume you're using a confusing word for bisexual anyway or that you think calling yourself bi is "too mainstream".
one thing that always impress me when I browse facepuch (or any other english forum/website in that matter) is how [I]normal[/I] you are
this thread could not exist in this form on any Polish forum/website that I know
[QUOTE=Silly Sil;43465545]Then there's even less people who you should inform about your sexual life without them asking?[/QUOTE]
If they have preconceptions about you being X when you are Y, and they try and structure things they do in the lives for you around that fact, you should probably tell them so they aren't wasting effort, or don't insult you without realising (because they didn't know obviously).
You aren't telling them about your "sexual life", you are telling them "this is who I am, not who you want me to be". Now when you start telling them about how many dicks you can cram in there at once (if that's your thing), that's when you're telling them about your sex life.
[QUOTE=Simski;43466506]I know it does, but why use a word so easily mixed up and confusing to a lot of people when Omni is significantly more recognizable in the same context?
Even if I know what pansexual means, there's too many people that don't know what the hell you're talking about when you use that word. So I use the term bisexual, because it's better at getting the message through without as much confusion. Aside from that I also feel that the word is horribly overused by teenagers who in all actuality really still just mean they're bi, so when you use the word to people that recognize it some people will just assume you're using a confusing word for bisexual anyway or that you think calling yourself bi is "too mainstream".[/QUOTE]
It's already established within the dominant group that uses the word (LGBT communities). I don't see why it's an issue when the solution to any misunderstanding around the use of the word is education. In the context of everything else that non-LGBT folk need to learn in order for good social change to happen, the definition of the word is such a minor and easily assimilated thing that it doesn't really need to be worried about. I mean to say that learning the proper definition of 'pansexual' takes 30 seconds, but learning how to properly treat LGBT people can take some serious rethinking of our habits' there are bigger and more useful things we could be concerned with than 'oh that word might be a bit confusing for some people'.
[QUOTE=WhyNott;43466774]one thing that always impress me when I browse facepuch (or any other english forum/website in that matter) is how [I]normal[/I] you are
this thread could not exist in this form on any Polish forum/website that I know[/QUOTE]
what happens on those
[QUOTE=Maloof?;43467438]It's already established within the dominant group that uses the word (LGBT communities). I don't see why it's an issue when the solution to any misunderstanding around the use of the word is education. In the context of everything else that non-LGBT folk need to learn in order for good social change to happen, the definition of the word is such a minor and easily assimilated thing that it doesn't really need to be worried about. I mean to say that learning the proper definition of 'pansexual' takes 30 seconds, but learning how to properly treat LGBT people can take some serious rethinking of our habits' there are bigger and more useful things we could be concerned with than 'oh that word might be a bit confusing for some people'.[/QUOTE]
Either way I don't like identifying with the word because it honestly just sounds so fucking silly. If people used the term omnisexual I'd be proud to call myself that, but I don't want to use a word that makes me think of ancient greek goat fucking gods and flutes. Bisexual feels like an a lot more dignified word to me.
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