Police: Gun owner saved cop from attack by kids - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Ridge;49729403]Barrel shroud Bayonet lug (lots of drive by bayonettings) Extendable stock Pistol grip (they say it makes it easier to spray from the hip) Detachable magazine consisting of 11 or more rounds[/QUOTE] Does that mean let's say, a VSS Vintorez would be legal?

[quote]saw the officer being attacked [/quote] [quote]Chitwood said. "There's no doubt they would have attacked him."[/quote] So did he get attacked or not

[QUOTE=archival;49729725]So did he get attacked or not[/QUOTE] He was being attacked by one guy. He was going to be attacked the large crowd moving towards him at the same time.

[QUOTE=Timebomb575;49727465]that's some fuckin' clockwork orange shit right there[/QUOTE] There was me. That is Alex. And my 40 droogs.

what the fuck is wrong with those teens?

[QUOTE=Code3Response;49727565]They're unarmed, they cant do any harm. What are you talking about? The internet was right all along.[/QUOTE] I hope you're sarcastic? Otherwise the naivety would be mind-boggling.

[QUOTE=Destroyox;49729644]Does that mean let's say, a VSS Vintorez would be legal?[/QUOTE] If It was made domestically yes, however if it's actually integrally suppressed and not just a barrel shroud it would require an NFA Tax Stamp. If it were just a barrel shroud it would be considered a standard firearm under most state laws, barring places like California or New York.

[QUOTE=!LORD M!;49730911]I hope you're sarcastic? Otherwise the naivety would be mind-boggling.[/QUOTE] He's mocking the dumbasses that think unarmed=surrenduring choirboy on the way to volunteer at the soup kitchen. Lots of people die when they get punched one time and fall onto hard ground, so stuff like shooting a big fucker like Michael Brown is justifiable.

[QUOTE=UncleJimmema;49730927]If It was made domestically yes, however if it's actually integrally suppressed and not just a barrel shroud it would require an NFA Tax Stamp. If it were just a barrel shroud it would be considered a standard firearm under most state laws, barring places like California or New York.[/QUOTE] Not to mention it fires 9x39mm, of which a good portion of the available stocks are armor piercing in some capacity.

Hopefully they don't target his house after this incident. Especially since he lives near the school.

[QUOTE=Psychokitten;49731349]Not to mention it fires 9x39mm, of which a good portion of the available stocks are armor piercing in some capacity.[/QUOTE] That's not an issue since it's a rifle caliber. It becomes an issue of someone makes a pistol in that caliber, as what happened with 5.45x39. AP Pistol ammo is illegal to sell and manufacture, AP rifle is not. Now telling that to the ATF is tough, since they're under the assumption that since it can be fired from a handgun it is now considered pistol ammunition. People have made .50 bmg pistols for christ sake.

[QUOTE=UncleJimmema;49731521]That's not an issue since it's a rifle caliber. It becomes an issue of someone makes a pistol in that caliber, as what happened with 5.45x39. AP Pistol ammo is illegal to sell and manufacture, AP rifle is not. Now telling that to the ATF is tough, since they're under the assumption that since it can be fired from a handgun it is now considered pistol ammunition. People have made .50 bmg pistols for christ sake.[/QUOTE] It's all about that round length, eh?

[QUOTE=UncleJimmema;49731521]That's not an issue since it's a rifle caliber. It becomes an issue of someone makes a pistol in that caliber, as what happened with 5.45x39. AP Pistol ammo is illegal to sell and manufacture, AP rifle is not. Now telling that to the ATF is tough, since they're under the assumption that since it can be fired from a handgun it is now considered pistol ammunition. People have made .50 bmg pistols for christ sake.[/QUOTE] That's the issue though. Making a weapon into a "pistol" in the legal sense involves little more than chopping the stock off. All it would take is one dumbass with an FFL to unscrew the stock from a civilian-ized AK-9 and boom, 9x39 is a pistol cartridge, and any SP-6, SPP and BP stocks are now unsellable. It'd almost be better to produce SP-5 domestically and stick to selling that on the civilian market.

[QUOTE=Psychokitten;49733794]That's the issue though. Making a weapon into a "pistol" in the legal sense involves little more than chopping the stock off. All it would take is one dumbass with an FFL to unscrew the stock from a civilian-ized AK-9 and boom, 9x39 is a pistol cartridge, and any SP-6, SPP and BP stocks are now unsellable. It'd almost be better to produce SP-5 domestically and stick to selling that on the civilian market.[/QUOTE] Not exactly. The rule is once a rifle always a rifle. If someone had an ak-9 and took the stock off, without an NFA tax stamp it would be considered an illegal SBR (assuming the over all length comes in under 26" if the barrel is 16".) In order to make a pistol it must be built as one first, so it would have to leave the factory without a stock and have a length under 26". If it leaves the factory without a stock but is over 26" it's no longer a pistol, its legally considered a "firearm" and thus is not applicable. Another thing to note is its entirely up to the ATF to declare it, since you can still get black tip 5.56 even though there are AR pistols. Granted if you get caught with black tip and an AR pistol you still can get hit for having AP pistol ammo, in large the ammo itself is unrestricted. The 5.45 bs was mostly a political move more than anything, its not even true AP ammo. [editline]13th February 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=TheMrFailz;49732471]It's all about that round length, eh?[/QUOTE] Not at all. The definition in a legal aspect is arbitrary. You ask anyone in the gun industry they'll tell you pistol ammo was designed from the ground up to be fired from a handgun, rifle ammo designed to be shot from a rifle. In practice you can make a handgun that's shoots anything, and a rifle that shoots anything. So because there's no legal definition of which is which it makes for a VERY large grey area in the law.