[QUOTE=blackfire88;35565527]The bills that are trying to be passed in the U.S. are literally giving power to companies. What is a company's aim? To make money. No doubt they will abuse that power. The Australian filtering system has a good track record as far as i know, and actually has defined rules, instead of easy to manipulate wording.
Source: [url]http://www.dbcde.gov.au/funding_and_programs/cybersafety_plan/internet_service_provider_isp_filtering/isp_filtering_live_pilot/isp_filtering_-_frequently_asked_questions[/url] (Part 4)
The limited bandwidth is a downside of being far away from other countries. Besides, If it's an AUSTRALIAN computer contacting an AUSTRALIAN server, does the distance away make any difference? No. Whereas if we moved the servers to the U.S. thats when our 'limited bandwidth' will actually slow the connection speed down.
The part about violent video games isn't even relevant here.
And the last part of all, he was clearly making a joke, loosen up a bit.[/QUOTE]
How can you even say with a straight face that having a goddamn government mandated [B]internet blacklist[/B] is better than what the US has? THOSE BILLS WILL [U]NEVER[/U] PASS. Stop acting like it is what we want or as-if it's actually going to happen -- because it fucking won't. The USA currently has some of the freest internet laws possible, provided you aren't a terrorist/pirating/uploading cp.
You can sit here in denial and tip-toe around the American-bashing conversation as much as you want, but your country has a nutjob oppressive government that would fuck over its own citizens even more than the U.S. if given the chance.
[QUOTE=Stick it in her pooper;35567821]
You can sit here in denial and tip-toe around the American-bashing conversation as much as you want, but your country has a nutjob oppressive government that would fuck over its own citizens even more than the U.S. if given the chance.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, don't kid yourself there buddy.
The average Australian has it much better than the average American. You only need to look at the large amount of inequality prevalent in US society to realise nothing could be as fucked up as the average US citizen is by the US Govt.
[QUOTE=DogGunn;35568297]Yeah, don't kid yourself there buddy.
The average Australian has it much better than the average American. You only need to look at the large amount of inequality prevalent in US society to realise nothing could be as fucked up as the average US citizen is by the US Govt.[/QUOTE]
but some video games get banned man that means the government is oppressive
[QUOTE=DogGunn;35568297]Yeah, don't kid yourself there buddy.
The average Australian has it much better than the average American. You only need to look at the large amount of inequality prevalent in US society to realise nothing could be as fucked up as the average US citizen is by the US Govt.[/QUOTE]
That's not true, contrary to what you or your equally ignorant Aussie circlejerk "m8s" think, in fact, I'm doing just fine -- and I'm loving my fiber optic internet connection without a government imposed firewall. (two things you will never experience)
Also most Americans are better off because residing in a real country that actually matters (U.S.) offers many people forms of government-supplied financial aid when the chips are down. Food stamps and unemployment benefits go a long way. Our government literally does nothing to actually fuck over our lives in ways that could be felt in our every-day lives.
Even the wars/debt/deficit haven't really done much than provide political talking points to politicians
[QUOTE=Stick it in her pooper;35567821]How can you even say with a straight face that having a goddamn government mandated [B]internet blacklist[/B] is better than what the US has? THOSE BILLS WILL [U]NEVER[/U] PASS. Stop acting like it is what we want or as-if it's actually going to happen -- because it fucking won't. The USA currently has some of the freest internet laws possible, provided you aren't a terrorist/pirating/uploading cp.
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first, we don't have an internet filter. ACMA maintains a list of sites for use in internet filters, but doesn't maintain one. ACMA can fine local web-hosts that host infringing content but does not have the legislative power to pull them down.
i'd like to point out that nothing has changed in Australian law regarding internet censorship since 2006 (which the last change was to stop the discussion of the practical aspects of suicide, to tow in with our media's [b]self[/b]-regulation) that we don't have an internet filter yet as it is proposed in policy and not legislation, that the liberal party won't let them pass the filtering legislation in the senate if and when it arrives, and the only times ACMA (the board that determines classification of media content in australia) has tried to censor anything is personal attacks against political members or trying to cover it's own proposed blacklist, which most people in the telco sector called them out on and they stopped trying (as hard) to fine the webhosts of the content (their only method of pulling content).
also OpenNet Initiative and Reports Without Borders put australia under surveillance due to the proposed legislation, but other than that there is no evidence of filtering.
now all our legislation, both codified and proposed has never tried to shut down foreign content, unlike SOPA (kind of, with the whole shutting off of funding and stuff) and PIPA, and you try and say our laws are fucked
you're fucking funny.
[quote]The United States expressed concern that foreign equity limits in Telstra, were still capped at 35 percent, and the individual foreign investors could own only up to 5 per cent of the company.[/quote]
It's already in the hands of a money-hungry business when it should be owned by our government. No US or foreign corporation should be able to buy the owner of all the telecom hardware in the country. Take your [I]freedom[/I] and fuck right off!
[QUOTE=ReLak;35568779]
now all our legislation, both codified and proposed has never tried to shut down foreign content, unlike SOPA (kind of, with the whole shutting off of funding and stuff) and PIPA, and you try and say our laws are fucked
you're fucking funny.[/QUOTE]
Neither SOPA or PIPA came even close to passing, and were both sponsored by the same guy fyi
Got any more retarded misinformation to spread?
[QUOTE=Stick it in her pooper;35568778]That's not true, contrary to what you or your equally ignorant Aussie circlejerk "m8s" think, in fact, I'm doing just fine -- and I'm loving my fiber optic internet connection without a government imposed firewall. (two things you will never experience)
Also most Americans are better off because residing in a real country that actually matters (U.S.) offers many people forms of government-supplied financial aid when the chips are down. Food stamps and unemployment benefits go a long way. Our government literally does nothing to actually fuck over our lives in ways that could be felt in our every-day lives.
Even the wars/debt/deficit haven't really done much than provide political talking points to politicians[/QUOTE]
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MY BRAIN IS EXPLODING
do you actually believe this shit? jesus h christ mary joseph and God you're ignorant
[QUOTE=Stick it in her pooper;35568904]Neither SOPA or PIPA came even close to passing, and were both sponsored by the same guy fyi
Got any more retarded misinformation to spread?[/QUOTE]
neither has our proposed internet filter
i think you put it best: Got any more retarded misinformation to spread?
[QUOTE=ReLak;35568977]neither has our proposed internet filter
i think you put it best: Got any more retarded misinformation to spread?[/QUOTE]
yours passed, ours didn't,
problem?
[editline]14th April 2012[/editline]
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MY BRAIN IS EXPLODING
do you actually believe this shit? jesus h christ mary joseph and God you're ignorant[/QUOTE]
Prove me wrong with facts or shut the fuck up
also: even if this thread is halfway trolling, it's still astonishing that you fuckers in your straw-and-mud outback homes really think SOPA or PIPA even remotely came close to passing.
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Sooo what does the debate about internet censorship matter?
The information mentioned in the article is [I]health records[/I].
Why the heck does US even want to host AU health records... There isn't even any useful data to snoop with that.
[QUOTE=Rhenae;35569191]Sooo what does the debate about internet censorship matter?
The information mentioned in the article is [I]health records[/I].
Why the heck does US even want to host AU health records... There isn't even any useful data to snoop with that.[/QUOTE]
Like they care, they crave information no matter what.
Why don't we just put the internet outside of the jurisdiction of any country so we don't have any more dick waving contests over it.
[QUOTE=Van-man;35569831]Like they care, they crave information no matter what.[/QUOTE]
They crave information and yet are still stupid.
[editline]14th April 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=Groat;35569861]Why don't we just put the internet outside of the jurisdiction of any country so we don't have any more dick waving contests over it.[/QUOTE]
Because when it doesn't belong to anyone everyone wants it even more.
America's government has gone full retard, [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6WHBO_Qc-Q[/url] :v:
[QUOTE=Stick it in her pooper;35568997]yours passed, ours didn't,
problem?
...[/QUOTE]
For reference, our governments internet filter plan never passed, they didn't have the numbers. And after the last election they lost even more seats, giving them even less power to pass it.
[QUOTE=Stick it in her pooper;35568778]Even the wars/debt/deficit haven't really done much than provide political talking points to politicians[/QUOTE]
(i realize he's banned but others might be thinking something like this)
Have you been directly injecting your brain with horse tranquilizer?
The debt/deficit are the [b]very reason[/b] the US dollar has been depreciating in value against every other goddamn currency in the world. My goddamn bottle cap collection is worth more than the $40 I have in my wallet and we're not even close to an apocalypse.
The only reason we even have a debt/deficit this bad is because of the wars. And it's not all just war finances either - after 9/11, Dubya had such a high approval rating from the whole "UNITE AS A COUNTRY" thing that he could get whatever he wanted. And what he wanted is the very thing that fucked up this country. If it wern't for 9/11, he wouldn't have had that high approval rating, and he wouldn't have been able to cause near as much damage.
Total deficit after Bush left in 2009: $400 billion*
Total deficit if it wern't for 9/11: Maybe about $6 billion, if he had two terms, before someone else came in and fixed the problem.
[sub][sub][sub][sub]* = Numbers I found online vary from $400 billion to $5.1 trillion. Went with the lowest one.[/sub][/sub][/sub][/sub]
Go away american government :c...
From an IT stand point Austrailia is a terrible place to build cloud data centers, everything must go over the Ocean lines to get out(slow as fuck), the area is full of natural disasters earthquakes and typhoons, and Astrailia is full of good ole censorship out the ass, and because it isn't on a main contenent the Ocean lines can be considered a SPoF
[QUOTE=Tucan Sam;35574706]From an IT stand point Austrailia is a terrible place to build cloud data centers, everything must go over the Ocean lines to get out(slow as fuck), the area is full of natural disasters earthquakes and typhoons, and Astrailia is full of good ole censorship out the ass, and because it isn't on a main contenent the Ocean lines can be considered a SPoF[/QUOTE]
well if the Australian government's using the cloud data centers then it's a good place
[QUOTE=Tucan Sam;35574706]From an IT stand point Austrailia is a terrible place to build cloud data centers, everything must go over the Ocean lines to get out(slow as fuck), the area is full of natural disasters earthquakes and typhoons, and Astrailia is full of good ole censorship out the ass, and because it isn't on a main contenent the Ocean lines can be considered a SPoF[/QUOTE]
We just discussed the censorship. If companies want to build their cloud data centers on Australia, let them. The U.S. shouldn't be slamming the fact that people have their data here. We can do what we like.
[QUOTE=Stick it in her pooper;35568778]That's not true, contrary to what you or your equally ignorant Aussie circlejerk "m8s" think, in fact, I'm doing just fine -- and I'm loving my fiber optic internet connection without a government imposed firewall. (two things you will never experience)[/quote]
Hey it's okay, we're having fibre optics rolled out to 90% of the Australian population, so it's coming soon. Not only that, the connection will be paid for by the Government, filerless (because we don't have a Government mandated filter) and the connection fee subsidised. But hey, we'll never get it!
[QUOTE=Stick it in her pooper;35568778]Also most Americans are better off because residing in a real country that actually matters (U.S.) offers many people forms of government-supplied financial aid when the chips are down. Food stamps and unemployment benefits go a long way. Our government literally does nothing to actually fuck over our lives in ways that could be felt in our every-day lives. [/quote]
Obviously true - that's why the poverty and crime rate is so [i]low [/i]in America, because the Government there provides so well for it's people in need.
Nothing like Australia's unemployment benefits, interest free university loans, free schooling, cheap or free healthcare, free housing for the needy etc etc.
Australians just have it so bad compared to Americans.
[editline]15th April 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=Tucan Sam;35574706]From an IT stand point Austrailia is a terrible place to build cloud data centers, everything must go over the Ocean lines to get out(slow as fuck), the area is full of natural disasters earthquakes and typhoons, and Astrailia is full of good ole censorship out the ass,[/quote]
Haha, couldn't be more incorrect. Regardless, this is a data centre for Australia... no one else.
[QUOTE=Tucan Sam;35574706] and because it isn't on a main contenent the Ocean lines can be considered a SPoF[/QUOTE]
LOL? The connections aren't slow. There can't be a single point of failure, since there are connections going everywhere from every side of Australia.
Why are american people so convinced that australia has so many censorship laws and is a terrible place...
when america is politically a clusterfuck full of fundamentalism and basically dictated by a corporate plutocracy
How dare the Australians host their data in Australia.
[QUOTE=Tucan Sam;35574706]From an IT stand point Austrailia is a terrible place to build cloud data centers, everything must go over the Ocean lines to get out(slow as fuck), the area is full of natural disasters earthquakes and typhoons, and Astrailia is full of good ole censorship out the ass, and because it isn't on a main contenent the Ocean lines can be considered a SPoF[/QUOTE]
I don't understand this, if Australian companies are storing their data entirely in Australian data centres, why would it go out over the undersea lines?
[QUOTE=Captain Forever;35575493]Why are american people so convinced that australia has so many censorship laws and is a terrible place...
when america is politically a clusterfuck full of fundamentalism and basically dictated by a corporate plutocracy[/QUOTE]
It's funny because it's not.
[QUOTE=Van-man;35569831]Like they care, they crave information no matter what.[/QUOTE]
The American government is like the big brain sphere. It wants to catalog all data ever.
[QUOTE=Ridge;35577444]The American government is like the big brain sphere. It wants to catalog all data ever.[/QUOTE]
Except it's already started the "Destroy anything new so what it knows isn't outdated" part early.
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