Court: Illegal immigrants can't have guns - Polidicks

[QUOTE=faze;36009060]You missed my point, and frankly you're too stupid to understand it. Second point, Innocent until guilty only applying to me...what are you talking about?[/QUOTE] I asked you to explain your point and you neglected. If you would like to, feel fucking free. Don't sit here like an ass calling me stupid when you're the one who said it and won't back it the fuck up. Explain yourself. What you're saying is that illegal aliens shouldn't have guns because Mexican Drug War. That implies all immigrants are guilty until proven innocent of inciting violence in this nation. That isn't how shit works. On one hand you say citizens having guns is worth the risk of violence because it's a right to protect oneself, and then immediately after you say it's too dangerous to let immigrants have guns because they might incite violence. What, pray tell, is the difference between those two things aside from place-of-origin?

[QUOTE=Lankist;36009109]I asked you to explain your point and you neglected. If you would like to, feel fucking free. Don't sit here like an ass calling me stupid when you're the one who said it and won't back it the fuck up. Explain yourself. What you're saying is that illegal aliens shouldn't have guns because Mexican Drug War. That implies all immigrants are guilty until proven innocent of inciting violence in this nation. That isn't how shit works. On one hand you say citizens having guns is worth the risk of violence because it's a right to protect oneself, and then immediately after you say it's too dangerous to let immigrants have guns because they might incite violence. What, pray tell, is the difference between those two things aside from place-of-origin?[/QUOTE] The drug war is one of the points. As stated all over the media, the majority of the guns going to Mexico come from the USA. The constitution (second amendment) protects citizens or legal residents, not illegal immigrants. Answer this, are illegal immigrants criminals? Do you think because they come from a slum, they should be sympathized with and given everything because "this is America and we help everyone?" There has to be some line to draw so we can look out for ourselves. We can't keep being the police/ambulance/welcoming arms for the entire fucking world.

[QUOTE=faze;36009146]The constitution (second amendment) protects citizens or legal residents, not illegal immigrants[/QUOTE] Hey look who didn't read the fucking thread. You're wrong. The Bill of Rights does not say "Citizens may X" It says "Government may not X" It was written that way for a reason. It means government may not do certain things to [I]anyone[/I] in this country. The Supreme Court has upheld this view of the Constitution for a [I]very[/I] long time. Habeas Corpus, for instance, applies to [I]everyone[/I] within our borders, why is why all of our secret prisons are in places like Cuba. [editline]18th May 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=faze;36009146]Answer this, are illegal immigrants criminals?[/QUOTE] Are pot-heads criminals? You're the genius who thinks pot isn't a drug, so I'm assuming you're okay with voiding all your rights because you're a fucking criminal, right? See, I only consider it a crime if there's a victim. TL;DR go back to jacking off to pictures of Ayn Rand.

[QUOTE=faze;36009146]As stated all over the media, the majority of the guns going to Mexico come from the USA.[/QUOTE] Problem with using that in any discussion pertaining to illegal aliens- since we know a large amount of those weapons come from otherwise legal straw purchases, and we don't know how many don't, that's not an argument against aliens with guns. It's actually an argument against regular citizens with guns.

[QUOTE=areolop;36007886]The funny part is that because you are not a legal resident of the US, you dont get a lot of rights. What you just said is that the US should become the worlds largest arms dealer to illegal aliens, legally.[/QUOTE] I'm a legal citizen dude. Hence how I work and pay state and federal taxes? I didn't say that the US should be an arms dealer. I'm talking about human rights. Why disarm peaceful citizens from would-be criminals? The term "illegal immigrant" is ironic in itself anyway.

[QUOTE=Lankist;36008877] areolop on patrol: [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GQo9_VI6TnA[/media][/QUOTE] Not even. Go to hell.

[QUOTE=slamex;36008788]What do you need an AR-15 for?[/QUOTE] Because they're nice weapons. What do you need a computer for? It's a luxury and it's for protection if shit ever does hit the fan.

[QUOTE=faze;36015871]Because they're nice weapons. What do you need a computer for? It's a luxury and it's for protection if shit ever does hit the fan.[/QUOTE] Computers are a protection for what? [editline]19th May 2012[/editline] Also we've been over this before: The Supreme Court couldn't give two shits about firearms for self defense. That's what we have police for.

[QUOTE=Lankist;36015916]Computers are a protection for what? [editline]19th May 2012[/editline] Also we've been over this before: The Supreme Court couldn't give two shits about firearms for self defense. That's what we have police for.[/QUOTE] Yeah, too bad police generally arrive too late.

[QUOTE=faze;36015972]Yeah, too bad police generally arrive too late.[/QUOTE] That's an argument for better police, not for firearms in the hands of civilians.

[QUOTE=Lankist;36016054]That's an argument for better police, not for firearms in the hands of civilians.[/QUOTE] No it isn't. Cops can't read minds, and be there in 2 seconds. If I'm being robbed at gunpoint, I'm pulling my weapon on the fucker.

[QUOTE=faze;36015871]Because they're nice weapons. What do you need a computer for? It's a luxury and it's for protection if shit ever does hit the fan.[/QUOTE] I need a computer for communication, work, and learning. If you need protection, whats wrong with a side arm like a colt 1911, or any bloody pistol. My computer doesn't need to fire 800 rounds a minute to keep me safe either.. And since when the fuck was a weapon a luxury? We still going around wearing plate mail and calling ourselves knights?

[QUOTE=slamex;36016077]I need a computer for communication, work, and learning. If you need protection, whats wrong with a side arm like a colt 1911, or any bloody pistol. My computer doesn't need to fire 800 rounds a minute to keep me safe either..[/QUOTE] AR15 is semi auto, and doesn't fire 800 rounds a minute. I have an AK that I enjoy shooting for fun, and will serve well if shit hits the fan. I'd rather not be some ill-prepared boob depending on the police for protection.

[QUOTE=faze;36016095]AR15 is semi auto, and doesn't fire 800 rounds a minute. I have an AK that I enjoy shooting for fun, and will serve well if shit hits the fan. I'd rather not be some ill-prepared boob depending on the police for protection.[/QUOTE] If shit hits the fan that hard, I don't think an AR15 is going to do you any good.

[QUOTE=slamex;36016108]If shit hits the fan that hard, I don't think an AR15 is going to do you any good.[/QUOTE] It'll get me further than your 1911 will.

[QUOTE=faze;36016125]It'll get me further than your 1911 will.[/QUOTE] Who says I own a gun?

[QUOTE=slamex;36016131]Who says I own a gun?[/QUOTE] The way you said that before, sounded like it. Oh well.

[QUOTE=faze;36016076]No it isn't. Cops can't read minds, and be there in 2 seconds. If I'm being robbed at gunpoint, I'm pulling my weapon on the fucker.[/QUOTE] I'm more worried that you're apparently always packing heat and can and will pull your gun at a moment's notice. [editline]19th May 2012[/editline] Oh shit wait you're talking about a fucking RIFLE? You just carry a civilian carbine with you all the fucking time?

Not saying I dont think people shouldn't be allowed weapons. Hell, I loved going to the shooting range in my army cadet days. Just don't trust human nature, and especially don't trust it when you put it with a powerful assault rifle.

[QUOTE=faze;36016095]I'd rather not be some ill-prepared boob depending on the police for protection.[/QUOTE] Woo woo anarchy in the US. This isn't fucking Mad Max, dude. Your home isn't your castle.

[QUOTE=Lankist;36016156]I'm more worried that you're apparently always packing heat and can and will pull your gun at a moment's notice. [editline]19th May 2012[/editline] Oh shit wait you're talking about a fucking RIFLE? You just carry a civilian carbine with you all the fucking time?[/QUOTE] No I have a 45 to carry. I'm not carrying an assault rifle you dumbass. [editline]19th May 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Lankist;36016175]Woo woo anarchy in the US. This isn't fucking Mad Max, dude. [B]Your home isn't your castle.[/B][/QUOTE] State law says it is.

[QUOTE=faze;36016076]No it isn't. Cops can't read minds, and be there in 2 seconds. If I'm being robbed at gunpoint, I'm pulling my weapon on the fucker.[/QUOTE] And get shot in the process.

[QUOTE=faze;36016180]State law says it is.[/QUOTE] Yeah in the same states that say sodomists can't get married and regan was the greatest economist of all time. The rest of us recognize the duty to retreat. You're a civilian, not fucking Rambo. You pull a gun, best case is that you only get yourself killed. Worst case is your dumbass instigation of a firefight gets bystanders killed. Your "robbed at gunpoint" example is dumb as fuck. If you get robbed at gunpoint, you give him your fucking money.

[QUOTE=Lankist;36016432]Yeah in the same states that say sodomists can't get married and regan was the greatest economist of all time. The rest of us recognize the duty to retreat. You're a civilian, not fucking Rambo.[/QUOTE] K, if somebody's breaking into my house I'll run away like a pussy and pray that the cops show up before they get away with my shit, or worse, hurt somebody in the mean time. [editline]19th May 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=mobrockers2;36016407]And get shot in the process.[/QUOTE] You obviously have no self defense training for situations like that.

[QUOTE=faze;36016457]K, if somebody's breaking into my house I'll run away like a pussy and pray that the cops show up before they get away with my shit, or worse, hurt somebody in the mean time.[/quote] And you're going to fix that? You're a civilian. When you start blasting a fucking AR-15, you aren't saving the goddamn day. You're making the situation [I]worse.[/I] You'll get a bystander killed playing cowboy. [quote]You obviously have no self defense training for situations like that.[/QUOTE] I am a black belt in two martial arts and I've attended and assisted in teaching quite a number of gun safety courses. I know how to defend myself. I also know that you never throw the first punch. If someone puts a gun to your head and demands your wallet, you give them your wallet. It isn't worth a life--Neither yours nor theirs.

[QUOTE=faze;36016457]K, if somebody's breaking into my house I'll run away like a pussy and pray that the cops show up before they get away with my shit, or worse, hurt somebody in the mean time. [editline]19th May 2012[/editline] You obviously have no self defense training for situations like that.[/QUOTE] Lol, I don't know what kind of fucked up teacher you had, but the first rule of any martial arts sport is to never use it outside of the dojo, as running away is always safer.

[QUOTE=Lankist;36016486]And you're going to fix that? You're a civilian. When you start blasting a fucking AR-15, you aren't saving the goddamn day. You're making the situation [I]worse.[/I] You'll get a bystander killed playing cowboy. I am a black belt in two martial arts and I've attended and assisted in teaching quite a number of gun safety courses. I know how to defend myself. I also know that you never throw the first punch. If someone puts a gun to your head and demands your wallet, you give them your wallet. It isn't worth a life--Neither yours nor theirs.[/QUOTE] Nobody said I'd use an assault rifle for home defense purposes unless shit really goes south. My 45 has frangible ammo. Breaks up on a wall. [editline]19th May 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=mobrockers2;36016491]Lol, I don't know what kind of fucked up teacher you had, but the first rule of any martial arts sport is to never use it outside of the dojo, as running away is always safer.[/QUOTE] I was taught that too, but I was also taught how to defend myself in shitty situations with knives, firearms, unarmed vs. armed, etc.

[QUOTE=faze;36016578]Nobody said I'd use an assault rifle for home defense purposes unless shit really goes south. My 45 has frangible ammo. Breaks up on a wall.[/QUOTE] You said the AR15 was for protecting yourself. What the fuck are you expecting? You ever heard of a self-fulfilling prophecy? [editline]19th May 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=faze;36016578]I was taught that too, but I was also taught how to defend myself in shitty situations with knives, firearms, unarmed vs. armed, etc.[/QUOTE] Whoever taught you to fight a mugger is trying to get you killed.

[QUOTE=Lankist;36016667]You said the AR15 was for protecting yourself. What the fuck are you expecting? You ever heard of a self-fulfilling prophecy?[/QUOTE] Protecting myself in a SHTF moment, such as a total collapse of the US economy which will inevitably happen in our lifetimes. Look, let's agree to disagree. You disagree with everything most people say and arguing with you goes nowhere.

[QUOTE=faze;36016674]Protecting myself in a SHTF moment, such as a total collapse of the US economy which will inevitably happen in our lifetimes.[/QUOTE] Dude, if fucking Mad Max happens an AR15 isn't going to save you. Jesus Christ, dude, drop the survivalist shit or get off the computer and go live in a rickety shack in the woods. As long as you live in a society you live by fucking rules.