Court: Illegal immigrants can't have guns - Polidicks

This seems kind of redundant.

[QUOTE=Mingebox;35878673]This seems kind of redundant.[/QUOTE] because it is

If illegal immigrants were to be allowed to carry a firearm, then so should tourists.

[QUOTE=evilweazel;35878610]This doesn't make it harder for citizens to get a gun at all so I don't really see the problem.[/QUOTE] I should have specified that I'm talking about strict gun control, like in California. There's a bunch of stupid laws on guns here. On my AR-15, we: -had to wait 10 days after purchase before picking it up. -had to get a non-detachable magazine (you need a pen point to get the magazine out). -had to limit the magazine capacity to 10 rounds. -had to do a few other stupid pointless things. Would a criminal pay attention to these laws? Most likely not. A criminal could buy a gun right off the street, no waiting period, paperwork, or anything.

gun control laws can't and never will work in america because of the thriving gun culture and black market. any attempts to control it only make it worse [editline]1[/editline] with that in mind it would make more sense to put legislation through that solves the issues which drive people to buy guns for self-defense or violent crime, but that would be too hard

[QUOTE=richard9311;35878583]The debate here is not that It should be unlawful for illegal aliens to own firearms. Most of us agree there. The issue is that when a person is inside the United States; on whatever terms, does the Constitution apply to them? Does it protect them? Should we disregard all freedoms promised in the Constitutions if you are not a citizen? What about people here on visas? Or war-criminals? There starts to be a blur and we have to decide if it applies to all or none but citizens.[/QUOTE] I appreciate the attempt at being profound, but that's hilariously nonsensical. The Bill of Rights doesn't apply to [I]people.[/I] Go back and reread the Constitution, because you don't understand how it works.

Sanius, are you actually stupid or just really good at pretending? And your conceited use, or there lack of, grammar really erks me.

[QUOTE=Sanius;35878752]gun control laws can't and never will work in america because of the thriving gun culture and black market. any attempts to control it only make it worse [/QUOTE] Exactly what I'm saying.

[QUOTE=Sanius;35878531]I said brown not black[/QUOTE] Because all illegals are brown. Why did you have to bring color into something that has nothing to do with color in the first place.

[QUOTE=MightyMax;35878779]Sanius, are you actually stupid or just really good at pretending? And your conceited use, or there lack of, grammar really erks me.[/QUOTE] He's right though, for the first part at least. Think about it logically.

[QUOTE=Sanius;35878480]who are they harming by being here illegally. why do they deserve to be demonized. why does the government have the right to tell people where they can and can not be[/QUOTE] 1. nobody 2. they don't 3. governments exersize control over territory through force. By consensus of a population through democratic representation, the people and thus the government occupying a territory decide to use that force to protect their interests. Despite advances in human rights and a couple thousand years of philosophy, power still justifies itself. We do not yet live in a humanitarian utopia.

[QUOTE=OvB;35878821]Because all illegals are brown. Why did you have to bring color into something that has nothing to do with color in the first place.[/QUOTE] ask the average white american what comes to mind when they hear about illegals and they will say mexicans nobody cares about white, asian or black illegal immigrants

[QUOTE=Sanius;35878405]that makes no sense there's just as much a point for an illegal to own a gun as there is for a legal to own a gun[/quote] What are the chances that illegal is an MS13 member? You really want someone from MS13 to be able to waltz into Joe's Gun Store and buy a brand new AK47, 350 rounds of ammo and a few accessories without a second thought? I'm for this. If you want to enjoy the rights of American citizens become an American citizen. If not, you have no rights until you do. [quote]idk maybe if I hated brown people I would be able to understand your viewpoint better[/QUOTE] It has nothing to do with hating brown people. I don't want an illegal Italian, German, Brit, Japanese, Russian, or Brazilian buying guns either.

[QUOTE=Sanius;35878860]ask the average white american what comes to mind when they hear about illegals and they will say mexicans nobody cares about white, asian or black illegal immigrants[/QUOTE] ...Therefore, any law involving illegal immigration is 100% about racism [QUOTE=TestECull;35878875]What are the chances that illegal is an MS13 member? You really want someone from MS13 to be able to waltz into Joe's Gun Store and buy a brand new AK47, 350 rounds of ammo and a few accessories without a second thought? I'm for this. If you want to enjoy the rights of American citizens become an American citizen. If not, you have no rights until you do.[/QUOTE] vapid rhetoric 1. new AK47 is an oxymoron, nice scare tactics though 2. banning guns because people 'might' be members of an infamous gang is fucking stupid 3. laws against guns do not stop gun ownership, they simply give the state the ability to prosecute suspicious people

[QUOTE=Xenocidebot;35878758]I appreciate the attempt at being profound, but that's hilariously nonsensical. The Bill of Rights doesn't apply to [I]people.[/I] Go back and reread the Constitution, because you don't understand how it works.[/QUOTE] While I agree with your statement, I believe what he meant was to explain the debate about whether or not the Consitution, which applies to the federal government (and the bill of rights applies to the states through the 14th Amendment), extends certain rights to non-citizens, and if so, which rights? In response: That question has been partially answered by the courts. I'm not going to go over it completely, but rather direct anybody who asks [url=http://usgovinfo.about.com/od/rightsandfreedoms/a/illegalrights.htm]here.[/url]

[QUOTE=TestECull;35878875]You really want someone from MS13 to be able to waltz into Joe's Gun Store and buy a brand new AK47, 350 rounds of ammo and a few accessories without a second thought?[/QUOTE] i don't want anyone to be able to waltz into Joe's Gun store to buy an AK47

[QUOTE=DeadCow;35878720]Would a criminal pay attention to these laws? Most likely not. A criminal could buy a gun right off the street, no waiting period, paperwork, or anything.[/QUOTE] What stopped you?

[QUOTE=thisispain;35878901]i don't want anyone to be able to waltz into Joe's Gun store to buy an AK47[/QUOTE] and to my knowledge nor is anybody else so I'm having a hard time understanding his loaded question [editline]1[/editline] I read your post wrong but whatever

[QUOTE=Sanius;35878480]who are they harming by being here illegally. why do they deserve to be demonized. why does the government have the right to tell people where they can and can not be[/QUOTE] Idk maybe everyone because they don't have a legal reason maybe just maybe?

oh hey guys i just found the answer to the entire debate, it's right in the declaration of independence! [quote] We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain [b]unalienable Rights[/b] [/quote] boom discussion over [editline]13:37[/editline] In other news, the decision has been made by people who are smarter than all of us so I don't really get the point of arguing against it but whatever. [editline]13:38[/editline] Yes I know that's the entire point of forum discussion, and yes I know that the above is wrong.

[QUOTE=Coffee;35878546]As a US citizen, you are entitled to the right to bear arms. An illegal immigrant is not a US citizen, therefore they do not have this right.[/QUOTE] By that logic, say hypothetically I have the right, given by a Constitution, to kill a person. Does the fact that it's a "right" make it okay for me to kill a person?

[QUOTE=Kendra;35879031]By that logic, say hypothetically I have the right, given by a Constitution, to kill a person. Does the fact that it's a "right" make it okay for me to kill a person?[/QUOTE] no because that would be canceled out by the right to life

This is kinda old in Illinois. In order to get a FOID (firearm owner identification), you must go through extensive background checks so people with mental illnesses, people with criminal offenses, and non-citizens can't get guns.

[QUOTE=Kendra;35879031]By that logic, say hypothetically I have the right, given by a Constitution, to kill a person. Does the fact that it's a "right" make it okay for me to kill a person?[/QUOTE] that's an absolutely idiotic comparison.

The constitution applies to everyone, not just citizens. What this is doing is setting a precedent that only citizens have rights. That is simply not the case.

[QUOTE=Sanius;35878860]ask the average white american what comes to mind when they hear about illegals and they will say mexicans nobody cares about white, asian or black illegal immigrants[/QUOTE] Yes, all white people generalize illegal immigrants as mexicans. Solid argument.

[QUOTE=Lankist;35879076]The constitution applies to everyone, not just citizens. What this is doing is setting a precedent that only citizens have rights. That is simply not the case.[/QUOTE] Once again, I get to point to [url=http://usgovinfo.about.com/od/rightsandfreedoms/a/illegalrights.htm]this source again[/url] [quote]While illegal aliens do not enjoy all of the rights granted to citizens by the Constitution, specifically the rights to vote or possess firearms, these rights can also be denied to U.S. citizens convicted of felonies. In final analysis, the courts have ruled that, while they are within the borders of the United States, illegal aliens are granted the same fundamental, undeniable constitutional rights granted to all Americans. [/quote] [editline]13:37[/editline] [QUOTE=Kendra;35879031]By that logic, say hypothetically I have the right, given by a Constitution, to kill a person. Does the fact that it's a "right" make it okay for me to kill a person?[/QUOTE] and yeah that is a pretty dumb comparison.

[QUOTE=Thlis;35879078]Yes, all white people generalize illegal immigrants as mexicans. Solid argument.[/QUOTE] A hell of a lot of them do, dude. This whole debate isn't over illegal immigration. It's over central american immigration.

If they're already illegally in the country, they're probably going to go elsewhere to find a piece.

[QUOTE=DeathDoom;35879106]Once again, I get to point to [url=http://usgovinfo.about.com/od/rightsandfreedoms/a/illegalrights.htm]this source again[/url][/QUOTE] I'm sorry, did I say that was good, either? The first part of your quotation.