[QUOTE=lavacano;36034076]I read that a fair bit on Facepunch, and I probably am to some extent. I do understand your "human life" argument though, and I don't think you're an idiot for trying to get through life with zero bloodshed. However, it's not always possible.
See part of the reason I try to shoot them in the leg is because it's non-fatal, and yet it's a show stopper for the other guy. If I outright killed him, he won't learn. If he doesn't learn, I haven't fixed the problem. And I'm interested in fixing the problem above all else.[/QUOTE]
Shooting in the leg is not non-fatal, there's a massive fucking artery running down the leg which is far easier to hit than in any other body part.
[QUOTE=mobrockers2;36034013]Not even cops (who are trained with a gun regularly) aim for limbs, you're a joke if you think you're going to hit someone in the leg.[/QUOTE]
Cops mostly have to deal with people who are moving regularly. If someone's in my house, he's going to be moving slowly (to prevent being loud) if he's moving at all. If I had better lighting and really nice aim I could probably reliably hit him in the tip of the finger. But since my aim isn't [b]that[/b] amazing, and I'm not the kind of guy who leaves his living room light on overnight, the leg would have to do.
[editline]20th May 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=mobrockers2;36034103]Shooting in the leg is not non-fatal, there's a massive fucking artery running down the leg which is far easier to hit than in any other body part.[/QUOTE]
See I was not aware of an artery of that size before now. I'll give you that one.
[QUOTE=Ninja Duck;35878408]Very straightforward court ruling, I don't know anyone who would be against this anyways, besides illegal immigrants.[/QUOTE]
"hey, you can't depirve us of firearms. we have to defend ourselves from the police somehow"
[QUOTE=lavacano;36034117]Cops mostly have to deal with people who are moving regularly. If someone's in my house, he's going to be moving slowly (to prevent being loud) if he's moving at all. If I had better lighting and really nice aim I could probably reliably hit him in the tip of the finger. But since my aim isn't [b]that[/b] amazing, and I'm not the kind of guy who leaves his living room light on overnight, the leg would have to do.[/QUOTE]
What are you not understanding here? Aiming for a specific limb [i]let alone[/i] the tip of the finger is stupid trick-shot antics that will get you killed, or at the very least a prison sentence. If you have to shoot, shoot to kill. Immediately. Even trying to go for a headshot is dumb. You always aim for center of mass, [i]especially[/i] when you're so close that screwing up your ~extra pro~ leg-shot could result in your own death.
[QUOTE=lavacano;36034117]Cops mostly have to deal with people who are moving regularly. If someone's in my house, he's going to be moving slowly (to prevent being loud) if he's moving at all. If I had better lighting and really nice aim I could probably reliably hit him in the tip of the finger. But since my aim isn't [b]that[/b] amazing, and I'm not the kind of guy who leaves his living room light on overnight, the leg would have to do.
[/QUOTE]
Ok real-talk. You will have the accuracy of helen keller when the time actually comes. Get down from your podium for a second, and look at the real facts. You will be lucky to hit the man at all.
[QUOTE=areolop;36034253]Ok real-talk. You will have the accuracy of helen keller when the time actually comes. Get down from your podium for a second, and look at the real facts. You will be lucky to hit the man at all.[/QUOTE]
Well if you all don't want me to keep him alive I'll just kill him.
[QUOTE=lavacano;36033512]Because he heard me call 911? Or it's some girl's exboyfriend that I managed to piss off maybe?
I don't know exactly why, I'm not a criminal. But you can't take chances, even in the first world.[/QUOTE]
You're a sociopath.
[editline]20th May 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=Broseph_;36033571]And? I intend to shoot anyone who dares to raid my dwelling when I'm there, and there isn't damn thing you, them, [B]or the police can do about it.[/B][/QUOTE]
That makes you a criminal.
[editline]20th May 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=Broseph_;36033659]Why would I want to replace the life of someone who busted down my door and decided to steal all my shit I spent months saving money to buy?[/QUOTE]
There's this thing called empathy. People who aren't criminals have it.
[QUOTE=lavacano;36034609]Well if you all don't want me to keep him alive I'll just kill him.[/QUOTE]
I didnt say a thing about that. I just know that accuracy = 0 in these situations.
[QUOTE=Lankist;36034653]
There's this thing called empathy. People who aren't criminals have it.[/QUOTE]
criminals have empathy too, my friend felt pretty bad for a long time when he mugged someone.
[QUOTE=lavacano;36034117]Cops mostly have to deal with people who are moving regularly. If someone's in my house, he's going to be moving slowly (to prevent being loud) if he's moving at all. If I had better lighting and really nice aim I could probably reliably hit him in the tip of the finger. But since my aim isn't [b]that[/b] amazing, and I'm not the kind of guy who leaves his living room light on overnight, the leg would have to do.[/QUOTE]
you have never shot a gun in your life or even held one
[QUOTE=Lankist;36034653]That makes you a criminal.[/QUOTE]
How is that? Considering the fact I wouldn't have violated any law by doing the described act? :v:
Y'know (unlike what ever shithole you live in) in Texas it is a actively prosecuted criminal offense for police officers to deny or impede the rights, privileges and immunities that are afforded to all persons within its borders by the United States Constitution, Texas Constitution, and Texas Penal Code? :eng101:
[editline]20th May 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=areolop;36034714]I didnt say a thing about that. I just know that accuracy = 0 in these situations.[/QUOTE]
That's why you use 40 round magazines.
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[QUOTE=Broseph_;36035078]
Y'know (unlike what ever shithole you live in) in Texas it is a actively prosecuted criminal offense for police officers to deny or impede the rights, privileges and immunities that are afforded to all persons within its borders by the United States Constitution, Texas Constitution, and Texas Penal Code? :eng101:[/QUOTE]
you just called out a lawyer
this is going to be fun to watch
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[QUOTE=Broseph_;36035078]How is that? Considering the fact I wouldn't have violated any law by doing the described act? :v:
Y'know (unlike what ever shithole you live in) in Texas it is a actively prosecuted criminal offense for police officers to deny or impede the rights, privileges and immunities that are afforded to all persons within its borders by the United States Constitution, Texas Constitution, and Texas Penal Code? :eng101:
[editline]20th May 2012[/editline]
That's why you use 40 round magazines.
[IMG]http://www.imfdb.org/w/images/c/cb/VectorArmsV93.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]
That's funny.
Someone from Texas is telling other people they live in a shit hole.
[QUOTE=Broseph_;36035078]
Y'know (unlike what ever shithole you live in) in Texas it is a actively prosecuted criminal offense for police officers to deny or impede the rights, privileges and immunities that are afforded to all persons within its borders by the United States Constitution, Texas Constitution, and Texas Penal Code? :eng101:[/QUOTE]
this one is called: "angry redneck with a gun"
[QUOTE=lolwutdude;36035331]you just called out a lawyer
this is going to be fun to watch[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=THE TEXAS CONSTITUTION]
ARTICLE 1. BILL OF RIGHTS
[...]
Sec. 23. RIGHT TO KEEP AND BEAR ARMS. [B]Every citizen shall have the right to keep and bear arms in the lawful defense of himself[/B] or the State; but the Legislature shall have power, by law, to regulate the wearing of arms, with a view to prevent crime.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Texas Penal Code]
§ 9.31. SELF-DEFENSE. (a) [B]Except as provided in
Subsection (b), a person is justified in using force against
another when and to the degree he reasonably believes the force is
immediately necessary to protect himself against the other's use or
attempted use of unlawful force.[/B]
(d) The use of deadly force is not justified under this
subchapter except as provided in Sections 9.32, 9.33, and 9.34.
-----------------
§ 9.32. DEADLY FORCE IN DEFENSE OF PERSON. [B] (a) A person
is justified in using deadly force against another:[/B]
[B] (1) if he would be justified in using force against the
other under Section 9.31;[/B]
(2) if a reasonable person in the actor's situation
would not have retreated; and
(3) when and to the degree he reasonably believes the
deadly force is immediately necessary:
(A) to protect himself against the other's use or
attempted use of unlawful deadly force; or
(B) to prevent the other's imminent commission of
aggravated kidnapping, murder, sexual assault, aggravated sexual
assault, robbery, or aggravated robbery.
[B](b) The requirement imposed by Subsection (a)(2) does not
apply to an actor who uses force against a person who is at the time
of the use of force committing an offense of unlawful entry in the
habitation of the actor.[/B]
-----------------[B]
§ 9.42. DEADLY FORCE TO PROTECT PROPERTY. A person is
justified in using deadly force against another to protect land or
tangible, movable property:[/B]
[B](1) if he would be justified in using force against the
other under Section 9.41; and[/B]
[B](2) when and to the degree he reasonably believes the
deadly force is immediately necessary:[/B]
(A) to prevent the other's imminent commission of
arson, burglary, robbery, aggravated robbery, theft during the
nighttime, or criminal mischief during the nighttime; or
[B](B) to prevent the other who is fleeing
immediately after committing burglary, robbery, aggravated
robbery, or theft during the nighttime from escaping with the
property; and[/B]
(3) he reasonably believes that:
(A) the land or property cannot be protected or
recovered by any other means; or
[B](B) the use of force other than deadly force to
protect or recover the land or property would expose the actor or
another to a substantial risk of death or serious bodily injury.[/B]
[/QUOTE]
Now what? What exactly are the police going to do if I do a mag dump on a burglar? Arrest me for exercising my constitutional rights within the limits set forth by the legislature of Texas? That's official oppression.
[QUOTE=Texas Penal Code]§ 39.03. OFFICIAL OPPRESSION. (a) A public servant
acting under color of his office or employment commits an offense if
he:
(1) intentionally subjects another to mistreatment or
to arrest, detention, search, seizure, dispossession, assessment,
or lien that he knows is unlawful;
(2) intentionally denies or impedes another in the
exercise or enjoyment of any right, privilege, power, or immunity,
knowing his conduct is unlawful; or[/QUOTE]
[editline]20th May 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=thisispain;36035672]this one is called: "angry redneck with a gun"[/QUOTE]
I don't see how exactly I'm a redneck, considering the fact I'm too liberal to be a redneck, and absolutely would refuse to vote Republican on the federal level if it wasn't for the fucking Assault Weapons Ban of 1994.
Also god damn it I miss Clinton despite that gun ban.
[QUOTE=Broseph_;36035877]
I don't see how exactly I'm a redneck, considering the fact I'm too liberal to be a redneck.[/QUOTE]
because you're waving about with guns talking about how in Texas things are different from other places, which are shitholes apparently.
not exactly a renaissance man
[QUOTE=thisispain;36035927]because you're waving about with guns talking about how in Texas things are different from other places, which are shitholes apparently.
not exactly a renaissance man[/QUOTE]
No, wherever Lankist lives is a shithole, since the implication is the Police in his area are free to harass citizens for exercising their rights to the fullest within the statutory limits, and therefore it must apply in Texas too, when it doesn't.
And what's wrong about waving guns around?
[QUOTE=Broseph_;36035959]No, wherever Lankist lives is a shithole, since the implication is the Police in his area are free to harass citizens for exercising their rights to the fullest within the statutory limits, and therefore it must apply in Texas too, when it doesn't.
And what's wrong about waving guns around?[/QUOTE]
They might discharge by their own free will, duh
[QUOTE=areolop]Could you please lock my thread "[url=http://www.facepunch.com/threads/1182571]Court: Illegal immigrants can't have guns[/url]" ?
Lankist keeps on flaming, and defaming other members in his arguments that he starts. The thread is so off-topic and is horrendous.
Thanks.[/QUOTE]
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