Court: Illegal immigrants can't have guns - Polidicks

[QUOTE=GunFox;35880305]Free schooling for illegal immigrants? That is rather rare. Both driver's licenses and school applications require documentation proving your history.[/QUOTE] Even then, according to Plyler v. Doe, they'd have to be schooled. I love the Supreme Court sometimes. (not sarcasm, this was a great ruling)

[QUOTE=Lankist;35880508]Yes it does. The Constitution and all of its amendments are things the government CANNOT do (to ANYONE in this country), not things citizens CAN do. [editline]8th May 2012[/editline] If you're trying to tell me what the goddamn law says, you need to cite the goddamn law. See, this is the part where it becomes obvious that you've never even read a piece of legislation in your life and you're just pulling this "It's the law!" bullshit directly out of your ass. Find the law you're referring to or stop hiding behind it.[/QUOTE] [url]http://www.endillegalimmigration.com/Illegal_Immigration_Laws/index.shtml[/url] There ya go chief.

[QUOTE=faze;35880540][url]http://www.endillegalimmigration.com/Illegal_Immigration_Laws/index.shtml[/url] There ya go chief.[/QUOTE] I am not going to accept "end illegal immigration.com" as a legislative citation. That is an enormous list of irrelevant legislation which does not pertain to illegal immigration being illegal. Cite the fucking law.

[QUOTE=thisispain;35880306]they can't steal jobs and at the same time not contribute to our economy, that is contradictory.[/QUOTE] Uh you obviously didn't read the rest of my post. Farmers, ranchers, rich land owners, etc. A lot of people hire illegal immigrants to do menial labour jobs such as picking certain crops, like apples and strawberries, taking care of animals, or cleaning their homes and land. They pay these illegal immigrants under the table to avoid paying taxes, and pay them half or less of minimum wage to hire more workers at less cost. These are jobs that unemployed americans could have, but can't, because the people hiring these types of jobs would rather have cheap illegals that they don't have to follow fair labour laws with.

[QUOTE=Lankist;35880548]I am not going to accept "end illegal immigration.com" as a legislative citation. Cite the fucking law.[/QUOTE] They already did. I shouldn't have to re-invent the wheel for you.

[QUOTE=Thy Reaper;35880522]"The People" usually refers to anyone, not citizens, so the 2nd amendment makes no specification about who can have weapons. Why aren't non-citizens covered?[/QUOTE] Because the militia pre-text of the amendment is in the defense of this country, not another. An illegal immigrant is not recognised as being of loyalty to the United States. [editline]asdf[/editline] I should mention that this is a "probably". I'm trying to find the actual ruling.

[QUOTE=Ven Kaeo;35880550]Uh you obviously didn't read the rest of my post. Farmers, ranchers, rich land owners, etc. A lot of people hire illegal immigrants to do menial labour jobs such as picking certain crops, like apples and strawberries, taking care of animals, or cleaning their homes and land. They pay these illegal immigrants under the table to avoid paying taxes, and pay them half or less of minimum wage to hire more workers at less cost. These are jobs that unemployed americans could have, but can't, because the people hiring these types of jobs would rather have cheap illegals that they don't have to follow fair labour laws with.[/QUOTE] so they do contribute to the economy

[QUOTE=faze;35880552]They already did. I shouldn't have to re-invent the wheel for you.[/QUOTE] No. YOU cite the fucking law. [B]What law says aliens do not belong in this country?[/B] Cite it or shut the fuck up about the law. None of the laws in that link address that.

[QUOTE=Lankist;35880386]I'm sorry, from where are you deriving your authority from? You know plenty of people said the same goddamn thing about your family.[/QUOTE] My authority? I'm half Native American. 'My family' and my people were here first. Get off my land.

[QUOTE=thisispain;35880570]so they do contribute to the economy[/QUOTE] They don't pay taxes. [editline]8th May 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Lankist;35880581]No. YOU cite the fucking law. [B]What law says aliens do not belong in this country?[/B] Cite it or shut the fuck up about the law. None of the laws in that link address that.[/QUOTE] The fucking law was already cited. What the fuck do you want?

[QUOTE=Ven Kaeo;35880584]My authority? I'm half Native American. 'My family' and my people were here first. Get off my land.[/QUOTE] You're also half illegal alien. Your legs should go the fuck back to Europe.

[QUOTE=Ven Kaeo;35879983]Uh no. Sorry. 2nd Amendment to the Bill of Rights: The Right to Bear Arms reads as follows. "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed." The key phrase there is "the people", which refers to the people of the united states as coined in the very beginning of the united states constitution, which reads "We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America." "We the [i]People of the United States[/i]" Illegal Immigrants are not 'People of the United States', they are people of their home nation. If they're Mexican immigrants they are People of the United Mexican States. If they're Cuban immigrants, they are People of the Republic of Cuba, etc. They do not become "People of the United States" until they gain citizenship, in which case whether or not they may garner civil rights from the United States Constitution is up to the law and our court system.[/QUOTE] That's a fascinatingly wrong way of reading the document. The Constitution does not define "the People of the United States", but it does define aspects of the government. It says what the government can and cannot do, and explicitly does not define what a person can or cannot. That you are wrong is made explicit by virtue of the fact that where it [I]does[/I] define citizenship, Amendment XIV, it also explicitly makes what you just said full of shit. [QUOTE]All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive [B][I]any person[/I][/B] of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to [B][I]any person[/I][/B] within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=faze;35880585]They don't pay taxes. [/QUOTE] Except they do.

[QUOTE=thisispain;35880570]so they do contribute to the economy[/QUOTE] No, they don't. They don't pay taxes, they take jobs from American Citizens, they send half or more of the money they earn back to Mexico instead of spending it in America. How exactly is that contributing? Those are all DETRIMENTAL.

[QUOTE=Melkor;35880601] Except they do.[/QUOTE] I'd love to find out how somebody with no social security number can do that.

[QUOTE=faze;35880607]I'd love to find out how somebody with no social security number can do that.[/QUOTE] Read the fucking thread. We've already explained it to you multiple times.

[QUOTE=Lankist;35880598]You're also half illegal alien. Your legs should go the fuck back to Europe.[/QUOTE] Except that when my ancestors came over on the fucking boats there was no official government presiding over the entire goddamn land that had things like immigration laws, so no, they were not illegal aliens. and if you want to use THAT argument, then you should go the fuck back to Europe entirely. At least part of me deserves to be here. What's your excuse?

[QUOTE=faze;35880585]The fucking law was already cited. What the fuck do you want?[/QUOTE] Then repeat what law. I don't want your dumb fucking hyperlink. I don't need a hyperlink. For instance: 49 USC Sec. 30165 Can you even tell me what this is referring to? If so, please cite the law as such.

[QUOTE=faze;35880607]I'd love to find out how somebody with no social security number can do that.[/QUOTE] If the employer reports their pay (either lacking a SS#, or with a falsified one provided by the individual), they pay taxes. If they purchase goods, they pay taxes. If they own property, they pay taxes.

[QUOTE=Lankist;35880625]Then repeat what law. I don't want your dumb fucking hyperlink. I don't need a hyperlink. For instance: 49 USC Sec. 30165 Can you even tell me what this is referring to? If so, please cite the law as such.[/QUOTE] That's a motor vehicle law. Title 49 is Transportation.

[QUOTE=thisispain;35880349] "People are way too fucking empathetic" in a country where there's no healthcare[/QUOTE] It turns out, there [I]is[/I] healthcare here.

[QUOTE=Ven Kaeo;35880603]They don't pay taxes, they take jobs from American Citizens, they send half or more of the money they earn back to Mexico instead of spending it in America. How exactly is that contributing? Those are all DETRIMENTAL.[/QUOTE] This just in: -Payroll tax does not exist -There's a surplus of roofing and cheap agricultural labor in this country detrimentally affecting the job market -People in the US somehow manage to buy food, water, clothing, gasoline, power, shelter, and all the other necessities of life in Mexico Stick around, because at 11, we'll explain how the reptoids rule the planet from their lunar sanctuary and how Ron Paul plans to save us from their New World Order!

The ruling, if it hasn't been posted: [url]https://docs.google.com/viewer?url=http%3A%2F%2Fcourtlistener.com%2Fpdf%2F2012%2F05%2F07%2Funited_states_v._huitron-guizar.pdf[/url]

[QUOTE=Ven Kaeo;35880624]Except that when my ancestors came over on the fucking boats there was no official government presiding over the entire goddamn land that had things like immigration laws, so no, they were not illegal aliens. and if you want to use THAT argument, then you should go the fuck back to Europe entirely. At least part of me deserves to be here. What's your excuse?[/QUOTE] I'm Mestizo, I derive from Central America. My family lived in Texas before it was annexed.

[QUOTE=Ven Kaeo;35880550]because the people hiring these types of jobs would rather have cheap illegals that they don't have to follow fair labour laws with[/QUOTE] It's not really the fault of illegals that some unscrupulous employers don't follow labour laws or don't pay minimum wage

[QUOTE=Lankist;35879076]The constitution applies to everyone, not just citizens. What this is doing is setting a precedent that only citizens have rights. That is simply not the case.[/QUOTE] So then, you believe that illegal immigrants have the right to vote?

[QUOTE=Ven Kaeo;35880648]That's a motor vehicle law. Title 49 is Transportation.[/QUOTE] More specific, please.

[QUOTE=Lankist;35880625]Then repeat what law. I don't want your dumb fucking hyperlink. I don't need a hyperlink. For instance: 49 USC Sec. 30165 Can you even tell me what this is referring to? If so, please cite the law as such.[/QUOTE] Read the link you lazy bastard. The laws are already in there. Use Google to find out more. It's easy, you should really try it one day.

[QUOTE=King Tiger;35880674]So then, you believe that illegal immigrants have the right to vote?[/QUOTE] Already explained this. They would, if we didn't require citizenship to be proven in order to prevent voter fraud.

[QUOTE=Ven Kaeo;35880603]No, they don't. They don't pay taxes, they take jobs from American Citizens, they send half or more of the money they earn back to Mexico instead of spending it in America. How exactly is that contributing? Those are all DETRIMENTAL.[/QUOTE] How are they not contributing to the economy if they are taking jobs