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[QUOTE=Strider*;27341321]So it would have succeeded without him? Go seek refuge in Cuba then. [editline]11th January 2011[/editline] The fact of the matter remains.. there has never been and never will be a communist country that can hold a candle to the standard of living, freedoms, and overall happiness of capitalist countries. [editline]11th January 2011[/editline] Inb4 Cuba has more doctors per capita. [editline]11th January 2011[/editline] Inb4 "Micheal Moore's sicko showed me the light!"[/QUOTE] The point is the Soviet Union was doing better under Lenin, and had Trotsky taken over, rather than Stalin, it seems likely that it would not have been as dictatorial as it became later on. Also what you said about Socialism being ignorant or savage, is far too much of an exaggeration. [editline]10th January 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Strider*;27341077]Perhaps.. We've never had it though.[/QUOTE] This is also an argument made by many leftists. Communism, in a similar manner to Capitalism, has never existed in it's purest form, at least not on a large scale.

[QUOTE=Strider*;27341321]So it would have succeeded without him?[/QUOTE] I think it would've had a higher likelihood of [del]succeeding[/del] existing past 1989. [editline]10th January 2011[/editline] Although he industrialized the country pretty dang quickly.

[QUOTE=Lambeth;27341606]I think it would've had a higher likelihood of [del]succeeding[/del] existing past 1989. [editline]10th January 2011[/editline] Although he industrialized the country pretty dang quickly.[/QUOTE] Past 1991, actually.

well 1989 was the beginning of the end.

[QUOTE=Lambeth;27341708]well 1989 was the beginning of the end.[/QUOTE] Yeah, I suppose that's true.

[QUOTE=Megafanx13;27341432]Also what you said about Socialism being ignorant or savage, is far too much of an exaggeration[/QUOTE] Oh but it is savagery. Tell me what great accomplishments have communist countries achieved for the world outside of military and political technology?

[QUOTE=Strider*;27341858]Oh but it is savagery. Tell me what great accomplishments have communist countries achieved for the world outside of military and political technology?[/QUOTE] first you have to explain how socialism or communism is savagery you maroon

[QUOTE=Prismatex;27341904]first you have to explain how socialism or communism is savagery you maroon[/QUOTE] It's a primitive system that doesn't encourage or allow advancement, greatness, or men to achieve. Now continue.. tell me some accomplishments. [editline]11th January 2011[/editline] [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eg8cDmi7-U8[/media]

[QUOTE=Strider*;27342072]It's a primitive system that doesn't encourage or allow advancement, greatness, or men to achieve. Now continue.. tell me some accomplishments. [editline]11th January 2011[/editline] [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eg8cDmi7-U8[/media][/QUOTE] hey bro you're the one who said it was savagery i'm just watching the debate in here back up your claims man

[QUOTE=Prismatex;27342099]hey bro you're the one who said it was savagery i'm just watching the debate in here back up your claims man[/QUOTE] Oh... gotya brother my bad

[QUOTE=Strider*;27341858]Oh but it is savagery. Tell me what great accomplishments have communist countries achieved for the world outside of military and political technology?[/QUOTE] First satellite launched into space

[QUOTE=Strider*;27342072]It's a primitive system that doesn't encourage or allow advancement, greatness, or men to achieve. Now continue.. tell me some accomplishments. [/QUOTE] Well for one thing, Socialism has shown that with a centralized economy, something like industrialization can be pulled off very rapidly, as seen in the USSR. Let me ask you a question though. Are you one of those people who believe Socialism and Communism are essentially the same thing and think it means everyone's paid the same amount of money? I'd just like to get an idea of what you know about it before proceeding.

[QUOTE=Strider*;27341077]They aren't? Don't pull the ad hominem card on me. I wasn't even referring to the federal reserve in that post I was talking about you simplifying stupidity down to republicans. Your political views are VERY relevant if we are to discuss ignorance and stupidity. And no I know your avatar isn't just cosmetics, I remember some of your posts, you are a genuine marxist or socialist. That my friend is stupidity and ignorance in the most supreme caliber. Do you ever consider your surroundings.. full of technologies and advancements that could have never existed in a world ran by your hero? Have you ever studied the red terror and the deaths that followed? Do you even have the simplest idea of what it was like to live in the Soviet Union? Do you have a Russian family history? If you answer yes to any of these questions and are still communist... you are a down right idiot and savage. I bet you're going to try to blame communism's failures on Stalin aren't you? [editline]11th January 2011[/editline] Perhaps.. We've never had it though.[/QUOTE] HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA ARE YUO FUCKING SERIOUS? YOU CALL A COMMUNIST AN IDIOT, THEN PROCLAIM TRUE CAPITALISM IS GOOD! HAHAHAHHAHHAHHHAHHAHAHAHHAHA AHHAHHAHHAHHHAHAHHAhAHAHAH OH MY FUCKING GOD. The fucking irony. The fucking hypocrisy. Neither system works in its extremes, it's the moderate, central ones that work. And no, socialism is not "extreme" Let me ask you, have you ever been through a true capitalist system? Do you know what living in that condition is like? NO YOU FUCKING DON'T. But you can read a book about 1800's england and about how many fucking people we're treated so badly, and how bad those conditions were, and if you're still a pure capitalist after that, to paraphrase your own bullshit "you are a down right idiot and savage."

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;27342288]HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA ARE YUO FUCKING SERIOUS? YOU CALL A COMMUNIST AN IDIOT, THEN PROCLAIM TRUE CAPITALISM IS GOOD! HAHAHAHHAHHAHHHAHHAHAHAHHAHA AHHAHHAHHAHHHAHAHHAhAHAHAH OH MY FUCKING GOD. The fucking irony. The fucking hypocrisy. Neither system works in its extremes, it's the moderate, central ones that work. And no, socialism is not "extreme"[/QUOTE] i got a lil chuckle outta that post to, i mean come on realy? [editline]10th January 2011[/editline] its very condricatory

[QUOTE=Strider*;27341858]Oh but it is savagery. Tell me what great accomplishments have communist countries achieved for the world outside of military and political technology?[/QUOTE] Communism. And. Socialism. ARE TWO DIFFERENT THINGS. [editline]10th January 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Strider*;27342072]It's a primitive system that doesn't encourage or allow advancement, greatness, or men to achieve. Now continue.. tell me some accomplishments. [editline]11th January 2011[/editline] [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eg8cDmi7-U8[/media][/QUOTE] Socialism is savagery. I love that. Canada, a "socialist" nation, is #3 in fighting cancer around the world. Where is the US? #7. Oh, yeah, we're savage and bad at things that you're sooooo good at. Honestly, watching you post is like playing madlibs, it's like "WHAT CRAZY SHIT COMES OUT OF HIS MOUTH NEXT!?" Hell, more medical advancements were made under the guise of soviet medicine in the USSR than you can fucking believe, yeah, they were terribly done and had terrible ethics going through them, but that research got us to where we are today.

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;27342288]HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA ARE YUO FUCKING SERIOUS? YOU CALL A COMMUNIST AN IDIOT, THEN PROCLAIM TRUE CAPITALISM IS GOOD! HAHAHAHHAHHAHHHAHHAHAHAHHAHA AHHAHHAHHAHHHAHAHHAhAHAHAH OH MY FUCKING GOD. The fucking irony. The fucking hypocrisy. Neither system works in its extremes, it's the moderate, central ones that work. And no, socialism is not "extreme"[/QUOTE] Hey man, let's keep it civil now.

[QUOTE=Megafanx13;27342385]Hey man, let's keep it civil now.[/QUOTE] Sorry, i have a bit of a laugh attack when I see shit that ridiculous.

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;27342407]Sorry, i have a bit of a laugh attack when I see shit that ridiculous.[/QUOTE] I know how you feel, just trying to keep things modest.

[QUOTE=Megafanx13;27342424]I know how you feel, just trying to keep things modest.[/QUOTE] He isn't, so why should we? He doesn't value anyone's opinion here, he thinks we're all savage idiots for having any faith in moderate socialism through to straight out communism. Hell, if you aren't a free marketer, he'll probably think you're trash, I've seen too many of his posts to think otherwise.

[QUOTE=Lambeth;27342150]First satellite launched into space[/QUOTE] That is military/political technology

No that's pretty sciencey stuff right there.

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;27342288]HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA ARE YUO FUCKING SERIOUS? YOU CALL A COMMUNIST AN IDIOT, THEN PROCLAIM TRUE CAPITALISM IS GOOD! HAHAHAHHAHHAHHHAHHAHAHAHHAHA AHHAHHAHHAHHHAHAHHAhAHAHAH OH MY FUCKING GOD. The fucking irony. The fucking hypocrisy. Neither system works in its extremes, it's the moderate, central ones that work. And no, socialism is not "extreme" Let me ask you, have you ever been through a true capitalist system? Do you know what living in that condition is like? NO YOU FUCKING DON'T. But you can read a book about 1800's england and about how many fucking people we're treated so badly, and how bad those conditions were, and if you're still a pure capitalist after that, to paraphrase your own bullshit "you are a down right idiot and savage."[/QUOTE] You're kind of annoying. Do you think capitalism is what caused the mistreatment of workers in the 1800s?

[QUOTE=Lambeth;27342732]No that's pretty sciencey stuff right there.[/QUOTE] nah rocket science is only rocket science when americans do it, when russians do it, it's commie pinko magic bullshit.

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;27342445]He isn't, so why should we? He doesn't value anyone's opinion here, he thinks we're all savage idiots for having any faith in moderate socialism through to straight out communism. Hell, if you aren't a free marketer, he'll probably think you're trash, I've seen too many of his posts to think otherwise.[/QUOTE] No I don't think anyone who isn't a free marketer is trash, I just think they need to rethink their political ideology.

[QUOTE=Strider*;27342753]You're kind of annoying. Do you think capitalism is what caused the mistreatment of workers in the 1800s?[/QUOTE] I think a LOT of things caused that condition. Capitalism being one of them. You're kind of annoying too. You feel no problem with calling someone who believes in the exact opposite of what you do an idiot, but can't possibly see yourself as an idiot at an extreme of the spectrum, it's beautiful. [editline]10th January 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Strider*;27342774]No I don't think anyone who isn't a free marketer is trash, I just think they need to rethink their political ideology.[/QUOTE] So basically you think they're trash and too stupid to make proper decisions. Gotcha.

One small step for spherical objects; one giant leap for 3 dimensional shapes everywhere. [editline]10th January 2011[/editline] goddamnit you all ninjad me

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;27342755]nah rocket science is only rocket science when americans do it, when russians do it, it's commie pinko magic bullshit.[/QUOTE] Rocket science in both countries was at least at the start primarily a military race for security. I'm asking for advancements that weren't the result of a war machine. [editline]11th January 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Megafanx13;27342241]Well for one thing, Socialism has shown that with a centralized economy, something like industrialization can be pulled off very rapidly, as seen in the USSR. Let me ask you a question though. Are you one of those people who believe Socialism and Communism are essentially the same thing and think it means everyone's paid the same amount of money? I'd just like to get an idea of what you know about it before proceeding.[/QUOTE] Communism is the far end of socialism as far as I am concerned.

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[QUOTE=Strider*;27342792]Rocket science in both countries was at least at the start primarily a military race for security. I'm asking for advancements that weren't the result of a war machine. [editline]11th January 2011[/editline] Communism is the far end of socialism as far as I am concerned.[/QUOTE] I gave you medical ones. Cool, that's as far as you're concerned, not as far as reality is concerned.

Put that in your pipe and smoke it MISTER!