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I love how you killed your own argument and credibility saying socialism and communism are the same thing or are very closely related. You accuse us of being ignorant? What comes next.

[QUOTE=POLOPOZOZO;27342819]viagra[/QUOTE] Really? God what have I done... :ussr: [editline]11th January 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=HumanAbyss;27342853]I love how you killed your own argument and credibility saying socialism and communism are the same thing or are very closely related. You accuse us of being ignorant? What comes next.[/QUOTE] I never said they are the same thing.. Communism is socialism perverted to the extreme... that's irrefutable. [quote=Khruschev]We can't expect the American People to jump from Capitalism to Communism, but we can assist their elected leaders in giving them small doses of Socialism, until they awaken one day to find that they have Communism.[/quote] -Khruschev

transistors telephones world wide web geoge foreman grills vhs the printing press rational thought birth control indoor plumbing couches cars [editline]10th January 2011[/editline] pooperscoopers [editline]10th January 2011[/editline] Super Troopers [QUOTE=Strider*;27342883] -Khruschev[/QUOTE] It's funny because he wasn't a leader of either form of government hahahahAHAHAAHAH!

still waiting on that there proof for that them there federal reserve ruining the free market

[QUOTE=Strider*;27342883]Really? God what have I done... :ussr: [editline]11th January 2011[/editline] I never said they are the same thing.. Communism is socialism perverted to the extreme... that's irrefutable. -Khruschev[/QUOTE] Yep, but socialism [b]ISN'T[/b] communism. They may be related, but they're so fucking far apart it's ridiculous to lump them in the same anti communistic red scare bullshit. [editline]10th January 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=thisispain;27343046]still waiting on that there proof for that them there federal reserve ruining the free market[/QUOTE] Only thing I can think of related to that is the gold buyout of 1928 or something like that.

[QUOTE=thisispain;27343046]still waiting on that there proof for that them there federal reserve ruining the free market[/QUOTE] The Federal reserve may actually ruin the market in general. Their ability, and frequent use of said ability, to print money and devalue debt is really pretty shitty. Though I know of no realistic alternative. Not that I am some super capitalist or something. My economic policies tend to lean towards being more socialist than anything. Mostly I just desire a simple market. The stock market in general needs to go. The original idea was great, but it has become something detrimental to society. As a nation we just generally need to stop with our greed. That greed puts us deep in debt working ourselves to death to pay off homes and cars that we can't reasonably afford.

[QUOTE=Strider*;27341167]How is government manipulation of capital and credit part of the free market?[/QUOTE] "How is the earth flat, strider?" "HOW ISN'T IT FLAT" this technique will not work on me, now answer the question

but the federal reserve prints money after inflation begins

Why the fuck is going off derp and herping over communism? The issue at hand is how this plan, on top of social security ballooning to 40% of the federal budge, and the massive cost of continuing to run two mostly symbolic wars, while at the same time giving the Military a blank check to do what ever the fuck they want, wilde he US economy fucked and nobody willing to lift a finger China other than to sign some more loan papers while nobody on the Federal Level is willing to touch anything, is any fucking good at this time? In the meanwhile the plan was more symbolic than useful considering Obama decided to waste 2 years trying to get it passed while not doing shit to fix the shit Bush fucked up horribly Ending Of Corporate welfare? Nope Euthanizing Social Security? Nope Ending the tax cuts for the rich? Nope Ending the Iraq and Afghanistan Wars? Nope Ending the illegal prison at Gitmo? Nope Ending Lobbying? Nope Cutting the Defense Budget? Nope Put any effort into fixing the Economy other than waiting for it to bottom out and the convenient blip on the map from the Census jobs to happen to claim he did something? nope Pass A Healthcare Bill That Never Will Go Into Effect? YES, EVERYONE LOOK, LOOK AT WHAT WE DID, WE PASS HEALTHCARE, FORGET THE ECONOMY, WE HAS MEDICINES God I wish Clinton was back, I'll gladly give up my right to bare assault rifles if it means he is back to fix shit since apparently everyone else in Washington is too retarded or too afraid of losing votes to get shit down

[QUOTE=Zeke129;27343134]"How is the earth flat, strider?" "HOW ISN'T IT FLAT" this technique will not work on me, now answer the question[/QUOTE] Both manipulation of capital and credit are incompatible with the free market because they are enforced by well... force and coercion. In a free market we would not have a national bank as all of the United States founding fathers intended, well... other than that dolt Hamilton. [editline]11th January 2011[/editline] The federal reserve caused the great depression... Oh fuck what are you going to do now that I've contradicted your US history textbook?

[QUOTE=Strider*;27343329]Both manipulation of capital and credit are incompatible with the free market because they are enforced by well... force and coercion. In a free market we would not have a national bank as all of the United States founding fathers intended, well... other than that dolt Hamilton. [editline]11th January 2011[/editline] The federal reserve caused the great depression... Oh fuck what are you going to do now that I've contradicted your US history textbook?[/QUOTE] Back that up, I can see you saying that, I can't see you proving that.

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;27343416]Back that up, I can see you saying that, I can't see you proving that.[/QUOTE] The US was growing rapidly during the 1920's hence the "roaring twenties". From 1929 to 1933 the total amount of currency in the United States declined by one third and the total number of banks went down by one third. It declined because the federal reserve refused to do anything about it even though it was in their ability. If it had prevented this decline there still might have been a recession but it would have been over by 1931. There were congressman, bankers, and citizens all petitioning the restrictive policies of the federal reserve before this point and to take another path but nevertheless they failed.

[QUOTE=Strider*;27343530]The US was growing rapidly during the 1920's hence the "roaring twenties". From 1929 to 1933 the total amount of currency in the United States declined by one third and the total number of banks went down by one third. It declined because the federal reserve refused to do anything about it even though it was in their ability. If it had prevented this decline there still might have been a recession but it would have been over by 1931. There were congressman, bankers, and citizens all petitioning the restrictive policies of the federal reserve before this point and to take another path but nevertheless they failed.[/QUOTE] good time machine bro

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;27343553]good time machine bro[/QUOTE] Wait what did you want me to back up? The first or second statement?

[QUOTE=Strider*;27343648]Wait what did you want me to back up? The first or second statement?[/QUOTE] Nothing, you "proved" your point.

What's funny is a lot of you guys that are so against capitalism don't realize that the federal reserve is a privately owned corporation.

[QUOTE=Strider*;27343716]What's funny is a lot of you guys that are so against capitalism don't realize that the federal reserve is a privately owned corporation.[/QUOTE] LOLOLOL I knew that. We pointed that out so fucking long ago. [editline]10th January 2011[/editline] You've got such a hard on for yourself, you don't actually read the thread, you just post what you think is most relevant. to yourself.

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;27343740]You've got such a hard on for yourself.[/QUOTE] This is true

Why are you two guys arguing about Communism and Capitalism? Nation wide implication of communism has always ended in complete failure, and Capitalism is the dominant system and it's not going away, so why argue about it?

Page fucking 9, the start of this argument we pointed out that factoid. You apparently don't read the arguments you get involved with enough to know that. No wonder it always seems like madlibs.

[QUOTE=Broseph_;27343831]Why are you two guys arguing about Communism and Capitalism? Nation wide implication of communism has always ended in complete failure, and Capitalism is the dominant system and it's not going away, so why argue about it?[/QUOTE] Nice avatar bro

[QUOTE=Broseph_;27343831]Why are you two guys arguing about Communism and Capitalism? Nation wide implication of communism has always ended in complete failure, and Capitalism is the dominant system and it's not going away, so why argue about it?[/QUOTE] If I don't agree with the current system, but there doesn't seem to be an end in sight, we shouldn't talk about it? Great logic there.

[QUOTE=Strider*;27343716]What's funny is a lot of you guys that are so against capitalism don't realize that the federal reserve is a privately owned corporation.[/QUOTE] oh wow i'm not against capitalism and neither is humanabyss [editline]10th January 2011[/editline] and you didn't back up any of your dumb claims fyi

I fancy myself a bit of a marxist. [editline]10th January 2011[/editline] more of the groucho variety though

not if you buy records

[QUOTE=thisispain;27344599]oh wow i'm not against capitalism and neither is humanabyss [editline]10th January 2011[/editline] and you didn't back up any of your dumb claims fyi[/QUOTE] Precisely. When making a claim, be sure to come prepared with evidence to back it up.