Republicans to vote to repeal Obama's Health Care Reform in Jan 11 - Polidicks

republicans still have more balls than democrats do its just that most republicans are rednecks

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[QUOTE=Glaber;27198316]When done for the right reasons, I agree. but bipartisanship just for the sake of bipartisanship isn't and can lead to stuff outside of congress like the Tea Parties to happen. Well what did you expect? it's only about 200 years old.[/QUOTE] Our political system is fine. It's some of the people that can be in government that is the problem. Also most other democratic countries based their constitution off of ours.

[QUOTE=makingthatmaker;27199136]u mad bro?[/QUOTE] Yes. I do tend to get mad when someone supports cold-war nonsense; excuse me if I like my world sans-radioactive wastelands.

[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;27194802]Thanks to this law, my father's company's health insurance went up 106%. Thanks Obama![/QUOTE] That's because some asshole decided to make the mandate come into effect AFTER the rest of the bill. I sympathize, but if everyone had to buy health insurance, your dad's premiums wouldn't have gone up to pay for some diabetic who can no longer be denied coverage or some 25 year old who's still on his parents plan.

My government teacher said it best "The genius of politics is compromise." [editline]4th January 2011[/editline] Man, I just wish we had it set up the way our founding fathers had it set up. Honestly, everything would be FINE right now.

[QUOTE=Jewsus;27199461]That's because some asshole decided to make the mandate come into effect AFTER the rest of the bill. I sympathize, but if everyone had to buy health insurance, your dad's premiums wouldn't have gone up to pay for some diabetic who can no longer be denied coverage or some 25 year old who's still on his parents plan.[/QUOTE] If everyone had to buy health insurance, chance are the Homeless would be jailed. They can't afford it!

[QUOTE=Andokool12;27197749]Up until now I've been the kind of Canadian with the mindset of "The USA is just like us, and how they go about their politics is their choice, I won't protest." Reading this just filled me with rage. Your politics are TERRIBLE, you have mindless zombies doing stuff only because the rest of the party automatically thinks they have to be opposite the other. And in this case, because of that it could cost the nation an undeserving jump back to barbaric private health care. [/QUOTE] Scoreboard [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_%28PPP%29_per_capita[/url]

when you put money before your fellow man, then there is something wrong. especially when that man is someone who was not as fortunate as you are and was raised in a shithole.

[QUOTE=Glaber;27199594]If everyone had to buy health insurance, chance are the Homeless would be jailed. They can't afford it![/QUOTE] Homeless are exempt.

[QUOTE=Glaber;27199594]If everyone had to buy health insurance, chance are the Homeless would be jailed. They can't afford it![/QUOTE] I'm pretty sure there's something in there that has to do with owning a home/apartment.

[QUOTE=R3mix;27199203]Health care is fine the way it is. Just goes to show Republican ignorance. [sp]inb4dumbratingsbyrepublicans[/sp][/QUOTE] Uh...if health care is fine the way it is it would be showing Democrat ignorance....the healthcare bill has yet to go into effect. I'll spare the dumb rating just because I feel like you're following the mob here, as so many inevitably do. Healthcare is not fine the way it is, but the healthcare bill is certainly not going to fix it. Whether you all like it or not, the government getting involved in a major industry- in this case, health insurance- IS a socialistic action. I'm not one of the angry talking heads that really thinks Obama is a commie or anything like that, but I don't see the government as staying inside its jurisdiction here. There are ways to help a specific area of society or an industry without outright requiring people to buy something they may not want/need. Not to mention forcing companies to accept people with pre-existing conditions makes about as much sense as buying a burning house that's about to collapse. It's going to seriously hurt those companies. All too many of you seem to mistake conservatism for being the opposite of liberalism. In reality, EVERYONE wants progress and reform- no Republican will tell you they WANT poor people to be sick and die because they're poor. What they will tell you is that they don't want to rush into fixing the problem and end up causing bigger problems in the long term. Look at Social Security and Medicare. They're working out real great for us now aren't they? [QUOTE=Glaber]If everyone had to buy health insurance, chance are the Homeless would be jailed. They can't afford it! [/QUOTE] The penalty for not complying is an increasing tax penalty. You're really hurting a cause i'm trying my best to sympathize with here.

[QUOTE=Glaber;27199594]If everyone had to buy health insurance, chance are the Homeless would be jailed. They can't afford it![/QUOTE] Being homeless is illegal on the local level in a lot of places.

[QUOTE=Glaber;27199594]If everyone had to buy health insurance, chance are the Homeless would be jailed. They can't afford it![/QUOTE] I've been staring at this post for over five minutes and I can't tell if you're being sarcastic or if you actually believe that.

[QUOTE=Canesfan;27199744] I don't see the government as staying inside its jurisdiction here. There are ways to help a specific area of society or an industry without outright requiring people to buy something they may not want/need. [/QUOTE] First of all, the government does 1/3 of the total spending in the US economy so I ask you: why is THIS the thing that really bothering you and other conservatives in terms of limited government? The government makes people get car insurance. The government makes it illegal for companies to deny services for a bunch of reasons. By that logic, the government should be allowed to make people to get insurance, and prevent companies from excluding people from coverage. Though they can't outright deny coverage to someone with a preexisting condition, nothing says they can't make the premium accordingly high. If you're a shitty driver, they can't deny you coverage, but they can fairly raise your premiums. It's a very difficult question. It's clear that we can't keep paying for the urgent, necessary care of the uninsured, but we can't exactly leave them on the street to die or force them into poverty to pay their medical bills. Also, I consider the term "Fine" an inappropriate word to describe the US government's imposition of penalties on the uninsured. It's common sense, really. The government is saying "We're not paying your medical bills anymore, Joe Uninsured. Get some fucking health insurance or we're going to increase your taxes to pay for when you mash your dick up against an electrical socket and have to be rushed to the hospital."

[QUOTE=Nikota;27199829]I've been staring at this post for over five minutes and I can't tell if you're being sarcastic or if you actually believe that.[/QUOTE] I believe it due to a possible chain of events. If the penalty for not complying with the health care law is an increasing tax penalty, and the same people can't afford to pay that either. They could wind up in jail for failure to pay their taxes. Unless it doesn't actually work that way.

Also, Canesfan, I rated you "disagree" instead of "dumb". I think it's a pretty mature change of pace.

[img]http://gyazo.com/8c44dd39cc9ac679a155858e7636f479.png[/img] a certain 7 don't appreciate your remarks

[QUOTE=Glaber;27200383]I believe it due to a possible chain of events. If the penalty for not complying with the health care law is an increasing tax penalty, and the same people can't afford to pay that either. They could wind up in jail for failure to pay their taxes. [b]Unless it doesn't actually work that way.[/b][/QUOTE]Of course it doesn't fucking work that way; those that can't afford it are exempted.

[QUOTE=Jewsus;27200368]First of all, the government does 1/3 of the total spending in the US economy so I ask you: why is THIS the thing that really bothering you and other conservatives in terms of limited government? The government makes people get car insurance. The government makes it illegal for companies to deny services for a bunch of reasons. By that logic, the government should be allowed to make people to get insurance, and prevent companies from excluding people from coverage. Though they can't outright deny coverage to someone with a preexisting condition, nothing says they can't make the premium accordingly high. If you're a shitty driver, they can't deny you coverage, but they can fairly raise your premiums. It's a very difficult question. It's clear that we can't keep paying for the urgent, necessary care of the uninsured, but we can't exactly leave them on the street to die or force them into poverty to pay their medical bills. Also, I consider the term "Fine" an inappropriate word to describe the US government's imposition of penalties on the uninsured. It's common sense, really. The government is saying "We're not paying your medical bills anymore, Joe Uninsured. Get some fucking health insurance or we're going to increase your taxes to pay for when you mash your dick up against an electrical socket and have to be rushed to the hospital."[/QUOTE] It's true the government does regulate services and does not allow denial for some reasons, but those reasons are largely civil rights issues- such as not allowing companies to refuse coverage to blacks because they have some miniscule increased chance of developing a certain condition, or just to fight discrimination in general. And again, the government does require you to get car insurance, but there's a difference- you don't have to own a car. Therefore you don't, legally, HAVE to buy car insurance. It's impractical to not have a car in many places, but it's certainly possible. And constitutionally, the difference is huge- you have a choice with car insurance. You do not have a choice with health insurance. Also, it's definitely not the only thing bothering me/others about limited government. I could go on for a long time about huge government overspending, but the issue here is healthcare, and that's what i'm discussing.

[QUOTE=Glaber;27200383]I believe it due to a possible chain of events. If the penalty for not complying with the health care law is an increasing tax penalty, and the same people can't afford to pay that either. They could wind up in jail for failure to pay their taxes. Unless it doesn't actually work that way.[/QUOTE] uh dude you don't go to jail for not being able to pay taxes those are called debtors' prisons and we got rid of those a long time ago

[QUOTE=Prismatex;27200644]uh dude you don't go to jail for not being able to pay taxes those are called debtors' prisons and we got rid of those a long time ago[/QUOTE] I never knew that.

[QUOTE=Glaber;27198316]Well what did you expect? it's only about 200 years old.[/QUOTE] Their current systems are newer than ours though.

[QUOTE=Glaber;27200723]I never knew that.[/QUOTE] you do go to jail if you can pay and don't do it (tax evasion is different than owing back taxes).

The healthcare reform law was good for America if only for the fact that people could no longer be denied for preexisting conditions. What you really need is a single-payer system like Hillary wanted though.

[QUOTE=Kagrenak;27199445]Yes. I do tend to get mad when someone supports cold-war nonsense; excuse me if I like my world sans-radioactive wastelands.[/QUOTE] u mad? [highlight](User was banned for this post ("Replied with meme" - Craptasket))[/highlight]

[QUOTE=Andokool12;27197749]Up until now I've been the kind of Canadian with the mindset of "The USA is just like us, and how they go about their politics is their choice, I won't protest."[/QUOTE] And as an American, I look at Canada and say "Canada is just like us, only their politics aren't as stupid as ours". [editline]4th January 2011[/editline] I think I might go to Canada someday.

[QUOTE=Glaber;27200723]I never knew that.[/QUOTE] You keep posting stupid shit in this section. People keep telling you how wrong you are. You come back and say "I never knew that," "I was never one for science," etc. Stop posting.

[QUOTE=Zeke129;27201682]The healthcare reform law was good for America if only for the fact that people could no longer be denied for preexisting conditions. What you really need is a single-payer system like Hillary wanted though.[/QUOTE] If that got through, Bill wouldn't have gotten his second term.