Oregon legislation passed to allow people to change their birth record
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[QUOTE=Anti Christ;52212702]Because you would tell the doctor that you've transitioned, considering it's a relevant medical fact.[/QUOTE]
Oh yeah I forgot about this too. People say that "oh doctors would want to know you were born a male!" and I actually fell for this logic. Your doctor would've known about a sex change.
[QUOTE=ROFLBURGER;52212696]Ok now it's absolutely certain that you have literally no clue what you're talking about.
do you really think that after receiving hormones, sex assignment surgery, and going through the effort to change their name and gender they're going to go "I REGRET CHANGING MY BIRTH CERTIFICATE" later in life????
even then, that doesn't even make any fucking sense because they could actually change their birth certificate again if they wanted to[/QUOTE]
[URL="http://www.lambdalegal.org/know-your-rights/article/trans-changing-birth-certificate-sex-designations"]Sex reassignment surgery actually isn't required.[/URL] (Oregon)
[QUOTE]Notes: Oregon passed HB 2073, effective January 1, 2014, updating its laws to remove the surgery requirement for birth certificate amendments. In order to amend your Oregon birth certificate, you must first obtain a change of gender court order.[/QUOTE]
And I am perfectly fine with people [I]fixing mistakes[/I] on their birth records.
[QUOTE=MrRalgoman;52212717][URL="http://www.lambdalegal.org/know-your-rights/article/trans-changing-birth-certificate-sex-designations"]Sex reassignment surgery actually isn't required.[/URL] (Oregon)[/QUOTE]
So... You need a court document to prove to the court you're going through a process that you need a psychologists and a physicians sign off on
You're literally saying "JUST MAKE IT HARDER CAUSE IT SHOULD BE HARD"
Why
[QUOTE=MrRalgoman;52212677]The point I am trying to make is, this legislation was just making it easier. If a trans person is SO sure that they are trans and they want to change their birth record it should be a hassle to go through. It's something you don't want to regret later on.[/QUOTE]
The courts will likely require a doctors testimony before chabges are enacted. By that point a trans person (such as myself) has likely been in therapy for years and is probably already on HRT
[QUOTE=MrRalgoman;52212717][URL="http://www.lambdalegal.org/know-your-rights/article/trans-changing-birth-certificate-sex-designations"]Sex reassignment surgery actually isn't required.[/URL] (Oregon)[/QUOTE]
So in other words they need a doctors testimony, something you'll only get after years of therapy
[QUOTE=Anti Christ;52212702]Because you would tell the doctor that you've transitioned, considering it's a relevant medical fact.[/QUOTE]
Okay. That's so obvious that I wonder how it slipped my mind.
[QUOTE=ilikecorn;52212705]I dunno, maybe the presence of PSA and a prostate might.. key a doctor in to the fact that the person they're treating was, in fact, once a male?[/QUOTE]
PSA?
I guess what I'm asking is if the changes in the record could be a hindrance due to things that do discriminate between sexes e.g. certain diseases.
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[QUOTE=ROFLBURGER;52212715]Oh yeah I forgot about this too. People say that "oh doctors would want to know you were born a male!" and I actually fell for this logic. Your doctor would've known about a sex change.[/QUOTE]
Now I feel stupid.
[QUOTE=nerdster409;52212747]I guess what I'm asking is if the changes in the record could be a hindrance due to things that do discriminate between sexes e.g. certain diseases.[/QUOTE]
I don't really see why it would, if we pressume that the doctor knows - which I don't see why they wouldn't.
[QUOTE=MrRalgoman;52212717][URL="http://www.lambdalegal.org/know-your-rights/article/trans-changing-birth-certificate-sex-designations"]Sex reassignment surgery actually isn't required.[/URL] (Oregon)
[quote]Notes: Oregon passed HB 2073, effective January 1, 2014, updating its laws to remove the surgery requirement for birth certificate amendments. In order to amend your Oregon birth certificate, you must first obtain a change of gender court order.[/quote]
And I'm perfectly fine with people [I]fixing mistakes[/I] on their birth records.[/QUOTE]
Why are you wasting my time?
Full text:
[quote]Text: (1) The state registrar shall amend a record of live birth and establish a replacement record of live birth for a person born in this state upon receipt of the following:.
(e) Sexual reassignment. A certified copy of an order of a court of competent jurisdiction indicating that an individual born in this state has completed sexual reassignment and that the sex on the record of live birth shall be changed.
Notes: Oregon passed HB 2073, effective January 1, 2014, updating its laws to remove the surgery requirement for birth certificate amendments. [B]In order to amend your Oregon birth certificate, you must first obtain a change of gender court order. In order to obtain such a court order, Oregon requires a letter from a health care provider stating that you have undergone appropriate clinical treatment and completed sexual reassignment. Oregon, according to Or. Rev. Stat. § 33.460, defines “sexual reassignment” as surgical, hormonal, or other treatment appropriate for the individual for the purpose of gender transition.[/B]
Summary: Oregon will issue a birth certificate reflecting the proper sex.[/quote]
It's not required but your logic of "This is a big decision, therefore it need to take a lot of time!" still falls flat because THIS STILL TAKES A LOT OF TIME
[QUOTE=Kyle902;52212735]So in other words they need a doctors testimony, something you'll only get after years of therapy[/QUOTE]
I wonder if MrRalgoman thinks scheduling SRS is as easy as booking an oil change, judging by the "regret it later in life" comment.
I've encountered that ignorant notion recently, and it led someone to making a lot of obnoxiously rude statements out of being totally misinformed. Once they learned that a transition is something that takes years of supervised effort and may never even include SRS at all, they regretted what they'd said.
I mean regret does happen after SRS but it really isn't clear how common it is. More studies ought to be done on it but I don't think that alone is a good justification against this bill.
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This is the letter you need for you to get this done. It takes years of therapy and a while on HRT to get one of these.
Crap. I feel a tad more liberal.
[QUOTE=nerdster409;52212747]Now I feel stupid.[/QUOTE]
Yo, don't worry about being wrong. The only time you should ever feel stupid is if you keep those viewpoints despite knowing via logic that you're wrong.
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Like I'm going to fully admit right now, I just had the same realization as you just now. Before those enlightening posts, I thought "Christ, I'm going to have to admit that changing your sex on your birth certificate is dumb because doctors need to know about your previous sex."
[QUOTE=ilikecorn;52212811]Hey friend you should probably cover up your DOB and last name man, people can do shit with that.[/QUOTE]
If someone wanted to find me it'd be rather trivial for them to do it with or without the picture.
If someone can give me a reason, like, a [U]genuine[/U] reason as to why people should not have stuff like this private, I'll be amazed
a company or person(s) should have no right to impede on the private life of someone else in such a way that they need to know information like this
yeah, ok, for avoiding criminals, that's one thing, but they can go through the correct channels for that information.
[QUOTE=Kyle902;52212818]If someone wanted to find me it'd be rather trivial for them to do it with or without the picture.[/QUOTE]
I was going to say, the information on there is pretty public anyway and can be found with little effort if someone really wanted to.
[QUOTE=nerdster409;52212692]Because if you got prostate cancer, how would doctors be able to know it was a possibility since your documents have you as a woman?[/QUOTE]
right because women dont have prostates?
also mtf hrt shrinks the prostate and basically reduces prostate cancer risk to virtually 0 like with cis women
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wait i forgot that its actually a little different but its in a way the same thing, it's just called skene glands i.e homologous female prostate ofc location different etc but homologous nonetheless
[QUOTE=Saturn V;52212841]also mtf hrt shrinks the prostate and basically reduces prostate cancer risk to virtually 0 like with cis women
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This I didn't know.
[QUOTE=ilikecorn;52212802]PSA is a hormone only produced by the prostate. So if they did blood work and saw the presence of it, they'd know you had a prostate. So if you (forgive my crudeness) have tits, but have PSA, then you were probably a male at some point.[/QUOTE]
Skene's gland also produces PSA, so you are sadly 100% wrong in this matter.
Not to mention both the prostate and the female homologous prostate aren't endocrine organs so they wouldn't secrete PSA into the bloodstream.
Believe it or not my birth cert has my sex wrongly listed.
Was born a male, given a male name always was a male, grow facial hair, never remember getting any type of reassignment surgery done whatsoever, but my sex is listed as a female on my birth cert for whatever reason.
I need to get that corrected actually. Sadly it's a real pain in the arse to get those types of records changed normally, have to go through a court order, get a doctor's testimony, etc. which is why I'm considering not really doing anything about it.
I'm just curious if it can cause a problem later on in my life. I.E. I apply for a passport, etc. and I don't want to go through all this just because a doctor made a typo.
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