Fuck, and I used to live in N. Yorkshire... hate to hear this happening.
[QUOTE]So in that respect I hope you are wrong. However, I've got a awful feeling that you are probably right. Democracy is an illusion these days, we the people don't have our say in majority of decisions, it seems to all come day to money in the end.[/QUOTE]
In the days of MLK, protesting had merit. These days they do not. All conversations on how to enact change should first start with how to gain power to make desired changes stick. Not how to raise a fuss.
The person chaining herself to a tree is not how to gain power. Find a way to make what you want to happen more profitable then fracking. If you appeal to the self interest of those in office, you will have lasting change.
[QUOTE=Dayzofwinter;50388113]In the days of MLK, protesting had merit. These days they do not. All conversations on how to enact change should first start with how to gain power to make desired changes stick. Not how to raise a fuss.
The person chaining herself to a tree is not how to gain power. Find a way to make what you want to happen more profitable then fracking. If you appeal to the self interest of those in office, you will have lasting change.[/QUOTE]
It would have an effect if the media covered it, likelihood is that the media supports whatever you are protesting against so even the biggest series of arrests during a peaceful protest or a huge muslim vs extremist rally get little to no coverage.
Not trying to be an edge lord but fuck the media, they're absolutely shit.
[QUOTE=mdeceiver79;50388170]It would have an effect if the media covered it, likelihood is that the media supports whatever you are protesting against so even the biggest series of arrests during a peaceful protest or a huge muslim vs extremist rally get little to no coverage.
Not trying to be an edge lord but fuck the media, they're absolutely shit.[/QUOTE]
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this is bullshit, I've got loads of friends who have been really prominent in anti-fracking groups and seems like [U][I]all their work was for nothing[/I][/U][/QUOTE]
Power. Not protest. You need power. Focus on gaining power.
The reason the frackers are winning is because they know how the game works. You do not. Learn the game, win and the changes you want will stick.
[QUOTE=Dayzofwinter;50388225]Power. Not protest. You need power. Focus on gaining power.
The reason the frackers are winning is because they know how the game works. You do not. Learn the game, win and the changes you want will stick.[/QUOTE]
"Learn the game"
Their game is be rich enough to bribe politicians; and anyone who says "just get rich" or "just get paid more" is either lucky enough to be well paid already, too naive to realise they'll probably spend the rest of their life earning peanuts or too young to have ever worked outside of a paper round.
Social mobility is practically frozen.
You can't compete coz your protests go ignored and you don't have the money to matter. You can't "learn their game". You're not even invited to the house party where the game is happening behind a locked door. You don't even know anyone who is going to the house party where the game is occurring. You (third person use) probably don't even know the house party where the game is happening.
"learn the game"
[QUOTE]"Learn the game"
Their game is be rich enough to bribe politicians; and anyone who says "just get rich" or "just get paid more" is either lucky enough to be well paid already, too naive to realise they'll probably spend the rest of their life earning peanuts or too young to have ever worked outside of a paper round.
Social mobility is practically frozen.
You can't compete coz your protests go ignored and you don't have the money to matter. You can't "learn their game". You're not even invited to the house party where the game is happening behind a locked door. You don't even know anyone who is going to the house party where the game is occurring. You (third person use) probably don't even know the house party where the game is happening.
"learn the game"[/QUOTE]
Then suffer and become a victim. Its not my problem. Either figure out how to gain power for your self to achieve your ends or get stomped. That is how it is. This means you are going need to think out side the box. Which you won't. Id like you to prove me wrong, but you won't. Your reply is evidence of it. Either think how to get things done or get owned. Stop complaining. You have a brain. Use it.
[QUOTE=Dayzofwinter;50388292]Then suffer and become a victim. Its not my problem. Either figure out how to gain power for your self to achieve your ends or get stomped. That is how it is. This means you are going need to think out side the box. Which you won't. Id like you to prove me wrong, but you won't. Your reply is evidence of it. Either think how to get things done or get owned. Stop complaining. You have a brain. Use it.[/QUOTE]
Kitty got claws.
People do think outside the box, publicity stunts for environmental groups and, more extreme, acts of sabotage or even terrorism. In any of those cases they are largely frowned upon for using violence. The issue is the system is loaded, built in such a way that you need to be in their group and you need money to have any real influence. Once you're in their system, once you have that money, once you have the influence you are likely going to have your priorities changed, you won't care about discrimination or inequality or food prices because it won't affect you. You no longer represent most of the population of the country.
We elect people to represent us but our views and needs aren't represented. We fight pointless wars which kill our people and people in some sandy place elsewhere. We do nothing about climate change. Our governments try to lower regulations (things in place to make our, the people who voted for them, lives better), our governments try to take away our rights and invade our private lives (on the softer end of the scale banning stuff like face sitting, it helps literally nobody. On the hard end mass surveillance, prison/deportation without trial, general loss of human rights.)
If you want to change things you have to enter their world and nearly everybody who does either becomes 1 of them or gets chewed up by the media and spat out a ruined nobody.
"learn their game" is frankly naively optimistic or disingenuously simplistic.
Tl;dr you need money to have the same impact politically that corporations do. You either can't get that kind of money or in getting that money you change your priorities and cease to want those changes.
edit: Thinking that 1 person can make a difference by themselves is part of the problem. It takes a movement. It takes a change of mind set. The media, the people best placed to change mindsets and create movements, are generally vehemently opposed to any such thing; either covering in a bad light or not covering at all.
I'm a little weary on nuclear energy, but if it means stopping all this fracking bullshit then I'm all for it.
Thankfully Danmark is blessed with an almost completely oil/gas free underground.
[QUOTE=rampageturke 2;50386263]Nope, natural gas is used in things such as fertilisers and manh things that cant be replaced by electric.[/QUOTE]
Okay well you can eliminate the vast majority of things it's currently used for. In manufacturing it's mostly used for the same thing we use it for in homes, heating stuff. Fertiliser production requires it because of the hydrogen in methane, it's possible to generate hydrogen from electricity and water. There's a few things that you use it as a feedstock for that don't have electric alternatives but I bet we could eliminate 95% of natural gas usage with today's technology, just need to make it economical to do so.
[QUOTE=Dayzofwinter;50388292]Then suffer and become a victim. Its not my problem. Either figure out how to gain power for your self to achieve your ends or get stomped. That is how it is. This means you are going need to think out side the box. Which you won't. Id like you to prove me wrong, but you won't. Your reply is evidence of it. Either think how to get things done or get owned. Stop complaining. You have a brain. Use it.[/QUOTE]
are you trying to channel petyr baelish or something
I mean even this isn't exactly how politics works
[QUOTE=Megadave;50388373]I'm a little weary on nuclear energy, but if it means stopping all this fracking bullshit then I'm all for it.[/QUOTE]
Nuclear is generally agreed upon to be safer than most other forms of energy generation (the death tolls, including incidents, are lower than most others if I recall). It's not renewable, but we can recover a lot of the fuel waste with newer gen reactors and get even more out of it.
The lasting effects of the radioactive waste we have to bury are a problem, suitable land is finite. But if we squeeze even more out of that waste with these newer gen reactors it shouldn't be as bad.
Why not just invest in electric cars? It seems more practical given that you've got a decent power grid to charge those cars.
[QUOTE=Sims_doc;50388884]Why not just invest in electric cars? It seems more practical given that you've got a decent power grid to charge those cars.[/QUOTE]
Fracking is for extracting natural gas. We need electric cars but we need to invest in renewable power generation to significantly reduce the gas usage. The conservatives are planning to build several new gas power plants while cutting solar and wind subsidies.
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;50385603]How come Japan is crisscrossed with them?
I mean yeah we don't need as many, but it's silly to assume that the advantages of HSR aren't there. Connecting Birmingham to London would be an obvious benefit, as would be connecting London (via York) to Edinburgh. It would make rail travel a much more feasible option and it would reduce internal air traffic within Britain.
Much of the railway network as it exists today, is basically Victorian and horribly outdated. Much of the rest of it was butchered during the beeching cuts and as a result our railway system is nowhere near as good as it should be. Pretty much everywhere else in Europe is either building or is planning to build HSR and integrating British rail infrastructure into the rest of Europe would be a major boost to the economy in the longer term. We're not just thinking about people in Britain, but people from Europe who travel here as well.[/QUOTE]
There simply won't be the interest in HSR in the UK due to the highly inflated fares.
[QUOTE=karlosfandango;50395390]There simply won't be the interest in HSR in the UK due to the highly inflated fares.[/QUOTE]
that's not really a problem of infrastructure though - plus I'm pretty sure that HSR prices would be competitive with aircraft. fares can always change in the future (whenever through reform or the like). point is that this doesn't mean that we shouldn't upgrade an ancient railway system
japan is very similar to Britain, so I don't see why it shouldn't work here
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