Steam Linux - Beta Late Than Never - Polidicks

[QUOTE=ASmellyOgre;37819037]but everybody knows that [b]pacman[/b] is the master race. It's just so versatile and [b]human-readable[/b].[/QUOTE] bull fuckin' shit, pacman makes my head spin every time I try to use it.

[QUOTE=lavacano;37825776]bull fuckin' shit, pacman makes my head spin every time I try to use it.[/QUOTE] Have you tried reading the man page.

[QUOTE=danharibo;37829517]Have you tried reading the man page.[/QUOTE] I like my package managers to be intuitive.

[QUOTE=danharibo;37829517]Have you tried reading the man page.[/QUOTE] have the pacman devs tried not shooting heroin while designing the thing, i mean god damn see, let's take a simple, common scenario: updating packages. for sake of fairness, we're ignoring all GUI tools (including Ubuntu's auto update dingus) apt makes sense: [code]# apt-get upgrade[/code] Gentoo's Portage makes sense: [code]# emerge -u[/code] Yum makes sense: [code]# yum update[/code] Hell, even SUSE Linux's zypper makes sense: [code]# zypper up[/code] And then we have pacman: [code]# pacman -Syu[/code] Precisely what Native South American language does "Syu" come from and what does it mean? Or if those letters all stand for something separate, what the fuck could S and y mean? ESPECIALLY y? Pacman's a badly designed piece of shit and that is my number one complaint with Arch Linux.

[QUOTE=lavacano;37829661]have the pacman devs tried not shooting heroin while designing the thing, i mean god damn see, let's take a simple, common scenario: updating packages. for sake of fairness, we're ignoring all GUI tools (including Ubuntu's auto update dingus) apt makes sense: [code]# apt-get upgrade[/code] Gentoo's Portage makes sense: [code]# emerge -u[/code] Yum makes sense: [code]# yum update[/code] Hell, even SUSE Linux's zypper makes sense: [code]# zypper up[/code] And then we have pacman: [code]# pacman -Syu[/code] Precisely what Native South American language does "Syu" come from and what does it mean? Or if those letters all stand for something separate, what the fuck could S and y mean? ESPECIALLY y? Pacman's a badly designed piece of shit and that is my number one complaint with Arch Linux.[/QUOTE] Sync, Refresh and Update/Upgrade respectively, IIRC.

[QUOTE=T3hGamerDK;37829838]Sync, Refresh and Update/Upgrade respectively, IIRC.[/QUOTE] sudo apt-get update && apt-get upgrade Longer, but easier to understand.

[QUOTE=Van-man;37829892]sudo apt-get update && apt-get upgrade Longer, but easier to understand.[/QUOTE] I'm not saying that pacman is good though, but that's what those letters mean.

I still really don't get why people complain about the terminal. Is it really that hard to fucking type a command in? I mean come on, what happened to the days when anybody who used a computer needed to know basic DOS? DOS is horrible in comparison to the Linux terminal, but there's some kind of level of literacy. Then again, I could always argue that it's still there, but the world is now full of illiterate users that otherwise wouldn't be able to use a computer without a GUI. Actually on topic though, this is great news. I don't care if it's in private beta, but any public blog post of any progress makes me happy. If they posted some weird 'today I fixed an off by one error' post, I'd sequel as the project isn't dead.

[QUOTE=Jookia;37830001]I still really don't get why people complain about the terminal. Is it really that hard to fucking type a command in? I mean come on, what happened to the days when anybody who used a computer needed to know basic DOS? DOS is horrible in comparison to the Linux terminal, but there's some kind of level of literacy. Then again, I could always argue that it's still there, but the world is now full of illiterate users that otherwise wouldn't be able to use a computer without a GUI. Actually on topic though, this is great news. I don't care if it's in private beta, but any public blog post of any progress makes me happy. If they posted some weird 'today I fixed an off by one error' post, I'd sequel as the project isn't dead.[/QUOTE] This. When I'm in math class, we're supposed to use all kinds of obscure programs, and I just usually fire up wxMaxima or something, or if it's really simple I just fire up python or ruby in interactive mode and do the math 10 times faster, in the least. GUI is alright for where it works, but for such simple tasks, I see no use of it.

[QUOTE=Van-man;37829892]sudo apt-get update && apt-get upgrade Longer, but easier to understand.[/QUOTE] always annoyed me how update and upgrade are separate things in debian. yum update does both. [editline]28th September 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=T3hGamerDK;37830026]This. When I'm in math class, we're supposed to use all kinds of obscure programs, and I just usually fire up wxMaxima or something, or if it's really simple I just fire up python or ruby in interactive mode and do the math 10 times faster, in the least. GUI is alright for where it works, but for such simple tasks, I see no use of it.[/QUOTE] heh, last semester I ended up doing a shit load of standard deviations for my stats class in python interactive shell because doing it by hand sucked ass.

[QUOTE=PvtCupcakes;37831358]always annoyed me how update and upgrade are separate things in debian. yum update does both. [editline]28th September 2012[/editline] heh, last semester I ended up doing a shit load of standard deviations for my stats class in python interactive shell because doing it by hand sucked ass.[/QUOTE] they are seperate for a reason, though

That argument aside... Knowing Valve... They will probably test all of this, then to promote it make the orange box free on linux, and throw in a penguin hat for tf2, as well as coordinate with a few developers to have a handful of ports ready. (I prefer a more minty flavor myself)

[QUOTE=PvtCupcakes;37831358]always annoyed me how update and upgrade are separate things in debian. yum update does both.[/QUOTE] [I]apt-get update[/I] checks if there's a newer version of a package, or a new repository added to it's list. [I]apt-get upgrade[/I] upgrades all the packages that can be upgraded, which is check for with the first mentioned command. It's a long string to type, but it's easy to understand.

Did they mention something about the DE that they used? You know, in performance terms.

[QUOTE=T3hGamerDK;37829838]Sync, Refresh and Update/Upgrade respectively, IIRC.[/QUOTE] How in the fuck does y stand for refresh [editline]28th September 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Van-man;37833714][I]apt-get update[/I] checks if there's a newer version of a package, or a new repository added to it's list. [I]apt-get upgrade[/I] upgrades all the packages that can be upgraded, which is check for with the first mentioned command. It's a long string to type, but it's easy to understand.[/QUOTE] I've always been able to just do "apt-get upgrade", and not have to do update unless I was playing with the apt repository list. then again I've pretty much only used apt in Ubuntu, maybe Ubuntu automatically does update in the background on a cron job or something.

[QUOTE=Ol' Pie;37833817]Did they mention something about the DE that they used? You know, in performance terms.[/QUOTE] If they used Unity and they still saw a performance benefit, then oh boy, we're in for a good ride.

[QUOTE=Van-man;37833714][I]apt-get update[/I] checks if there's a newer version of a package, or a new repository added to it's list. [I]apt-get upgrade[/I] upgrades all the packages that can be upgraded, which is check for with the first mentioned command. It's a long string to type, but it's easy to understand.[/QUOTE] yeah i get it, but i don't know why upgrade can't just do both. yum has it's own command that does the same thing as apt-get update (yum checkupdate I think?), but yum update does both.

pacman -Syu master race

[QUOTE=PvtCupcakes;37836161]yeah i get it, but i don't know why upgrade can't just do both. yum has it's own command that does the same thing as apt-get update (yum checkupdate I think?), but yum update does both.[/QUOTE] Keeping it separate is just a nice thing. Let a command only do one thing and do it well.