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[QUOTE=Richard Simmons;27263223]If it wasn't for religion, morals would have a harder time setting ground. As the bible and other religious texts set some great foundings to human society. If anything, its more human to take a portion of that prescription in the religious texts. Such as stealing, murdering, adultery, treating fellow human, forgiveness, and some other fantastic morals that we have developed society on. [/QUOTE] Religion didn't bring along morals to everyone, it just served to keep order. And the Church supported a lot of nice things like slavery, incest and a fair bit of homophobia. [quote=Antophobian]The Qu'ran has an anti-contradiction rule that states the later written statements overrules the previous written statement. So while all the nice and cutesy things are written in the beginning of the Qu'ran, it's overshadowed by the hatespeech in later parts of the book.[/quote] Both Christianity and Islam have rewrites, old testament isn't exactly pretty.
[QUOTE=dumbfox;27263261]Dude they fucking stone people, there's no excuse for that.[/QUOTE] Thats their method. The Americans drowned people in terms of "testing to see if its a witch". Because witches still cease to exist and breath underwater, the innocents drowned. The British, used many forms of cruel and unusual punishment for something as small as homosexuality, or debt. So them stoning people, yeah theirs a reason for it. No excuse. Its their societies rules. If you think you're so high and mighty over other peoples in this world, get back into the queue and relearn human history, and see how little we evolved in the past 7000 years. Now its a chance to start to evolve a little, and start to learn and understand why they do these things. Otherwise, what would happen if we were to travel throughout space. Find a planet with an intelligent species living on it, and they had a different way of regulating their civilization. Would we disregard them as barbarians, without trying to understand them? [editline]7th January 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=RAG Frag;27263380]Religion didn't bring along morals to everyone, it just served to keep order. And the Church supported a lot of nice things like slavery, incest and a fair bit of homophobia.[/QUOTE] Beastality, and a few other taboos too. What else do you want?
Dude they still fucking stone people, right now there is probally some poor women getting bricks thrown at her face. What other cultures did is in their past, making sure it isn't repeated is our duty.
Lets also not forget, even Christian nations (or countries founded heavily on a christian moral set), beheaded, stoned, hung, poisoned, and punished people for the same accusations that the islamics do these days. Since the western civilizations ceased these performances just recently, doesn't mean the mideastern nations founded on a completely different set of justice, have to as well. [editline]7th January 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=dumbfox;27263513]Dude they still fucking stone people, right now there is probally some poor women getting bricks thrown at her face. What other cultures did is in their past, making sure it isn't repeated is our duty.[/QUOTE] Yeah, I hear they do that around 3PM CDT. I normally catch it on the cable TV after Opera. [editline]7th January 2011[/editline] Did I forget to mention they do it for no reason, and just stone people out of the blue? Yeah happens everyday. I know right? Because the media kept me up to date with a no-bias news report.
Man, i hate what they do with Islam, i'm mean they go to far with the bullshit since a long time now, it's like the middle age. It's a religion of peace and all, and they screw it with holy war, no woman rights and other dumb things....
[QUOTE=Richard Simmons;27263439] Beastality, and a few other taboos too. What else do you want?[/QUOTE] You to drop the statement that religion brought morals to society.
Atheists should start some sort of "normal (as in not holy) war against religion". That would be a good thing for mankind.
[QUOTE=RAG Frag;27263697]You to drop the statement that religion brought morals to society.[/QUOTE] And to stop aproving of stoning people.
[QUOTE=RAG Frag;27263697]You to drop the statement that religion brought morals to society.[/QUOTE] That it did. As the Church started to lean with procreation and less perversion (sans clergy members), it was natural for them to frown upon such acts such as homosexuality, beastality, incest, etc. Slavery was upheld by its low cost. Why do you think we manufacture in china? Not only that, Slavery has been around before the Islamic churches, and the Christian Churches. Its been there since mankind. Powerful people probably kept it okay due to its excellent low cost. Religion in the early days was more of an industry standard. Keeping things unison. Still greedy none the less... but, still worked.
[QUOTE=DrLuke;27263728]Atheists should start some sort of "normal (as in not holy) war against religion". That would be a good thing for mankind.[/QUOTE] I find militancy of any kind annoying, to be honest.
[QUOTE=DrLuke;27263728]Atheists should start some sort of "normal (as in not holy) war against religion". That would be a good thing for mankind.[/QUOTE] Worst idea since being in a circle jerk.
Circle jerks are alright.
[QUOTE=Richard Simmons;27263774]gjskgjs [/QUOTE] Yes slavery was around before, the church still supported it though. You seem to want to justify that by saying, well it was good for one community. So the church promotes theft, discrimination and blind obedience. So the church brought in morality then decided to teach people to disregard it in certain situations, how useful.
[QUOTE=Anthophobian;27262439]Fucking Islam. [URL="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ib9rofXQl6w"]Click here in case you still think the Islam is anywhere near a good religion.[/URL] Don't go calling me a xenophobian before you do you research.[/QUOTE] [U][media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=By_tanEAqJM[/media] [/U]Is this a video of you?
[QUOTE=FreakySoup;27262119]I can't take anything seriously from a group named "al Shabab"[/QUOTE] al Shababs are delicious on the barbecue
[QUOTE=FreakySoup;27262119]I can't take anything seriously from a group named "al Shabab"[/QUOTE] "al Shabab" also means "the guys".
[QUOTE=RAG Frag;27264189]Yes slavery was around before, the church still supported it though. You seem to want to justify that by saying, well it was good for one community. So the church promotes theft, discrimination and blind obedience. So the church brought in morality then decided to teach people to disregard it in certain situations, how useful.[/QUOTE] I think I may be wording my beliefs all wrong here. I am not saying believe in their church. But understand why they do this. I'm not telling you to believe in it, just to understand.
Just watch the movie 'Body of lies' (if you haven't seen it yet). It explain well a lot of things.
[QUOTE=Richard Simmons;27264506]I think I may be wording my beliefs all wrong here. I am not saying believe in their church. But understand why they do this. I'm not telling you to believe in it, just to understand.[/QUOTE] Common law and science have moved forward, but these religions are still clinging to their old ways of the past. In regard to what was said earlier about Chinese people being slaves. Chinese work is probably the modern equivalent to slavery, but Chinese people still go to school, have the ability to eat well and are generally more free their the slave counterparts in the past. Slaves in the past were basically boned and were generally forced into servitude for life. Their punishment for shaking hands with someone of the opposite sex is whipping them in public. I just think these people need to move ahead culturally using secularism.
[QUOTE=sloppy_joes;27265399]Common law and science have moved forward, but these religions are still clinging to their old ways of the past. China is probably the modern equivalent to slavery, but Chinese people still go to school, have the ability to eat well and are generally more free their the slave counterparts in the past. Their punishment for shaking hands with someone of the opposite sex is whipping them in public. I just think these people need to move ahead culturally using secularism.[/QUOTE] I whole heartly agree. But they have been proven over the centuries, they are stubborn. They won't change their societies rules to bend to ones who is into progression. Yes, china does support a "slavery" type of system, but they do get schooling. And education is the first step into realizing your potential. But sitting here squabbling over another countries way of life, which is cemented into their civilization, is futile and purposeless. Its best to understand, and to ignore.
[QUOTE=RAG Frag;27263380]Religion didn't bring along morals to everyone, it just served to keep order. [/QUOTE] It cemented them in writing though, which definitely deterred people from "sinning". [editline]7th January 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Richard Simmons;27265551]I whole heartly agree. But they have been proven over the centuries, they are stubborn. They won't change their societies rules to bend to ones who is into progression. Yes, china does support a "slavery" type of system, but they do get schooling. And education is the first step into realizing your potential. But sitting here squabbling over another countries way of life, which is cemented into their civilization, is futile and purposeless. Its best to understand, and to ignore.[/QUOTE] Haha, what else are we doing to discuss if we can't discuss things we can't change? The whole point of this forum is to discuss what's happening in the world.
[QUOTE=sloppy_joes;27265679] Haha, what else are we doing to discuss if we can't discuss things we can't change? The whole point of this forum is to discuss what's happening in the world.[/QUOTE] Simply stop posting about the Islamics. To me, they're attention whores with a big spot on conservative news outlets. If we ignore them, perhaps... they'll ignore us.
[QUOTE=Richard Simmons;27265776]Simply stop posting about the Islamics. To me, they're attention whores with a big spot on conservative news outlets. If we ignore them, perhaps... they'll ignore us.[/QUOTE] Leaving it in the dark is never the best option.
[QUOTE=Fycix;27263370]What in the hell is up with that guys accent?[/QUOTE] likely comes from the former soviet bloc where racial wars between albanians and serbs were religiously motivated as well might explain his dumb hatred of muslims [editline]7th January 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Anthophobian;27262439]Fucking Islam. [URL="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ib9rofXQl6w"]Click here in case you still think the Islam is anywhere near a good religion.[/URL] Don't go calling me a xenophobian before you do you research.[/QUOTE] yeah it's that youtube video which me, starpluck, and some others totally destroyed
Wheres the thread?
[QUOTE=Anthophobian;27262716] I'm not making this shit up, google it. I see islamic people each and every day here in the Netherlands, and while I agree that some of them are okay people, their religion drives a fuckload of others crazy.[/QUOTE] oh yeah i'm totally aware of the situation in the netherlands dutch people are some of the most incredibly racist people on the planet, it's in your culture, you started the modern african slavery trade, and you still have a minstrel show every winter. i've seen first-hand the way anyone not part of the dutch homogeneous society is treated, and i can assure you, inhumanity is the rule lived by
[QUOTE=thisispain;27266773]oh yeah i'm totally aware of the situation in the netherlands dutch people are some of the most incredibly racist people on the planet, it's in your culture, you started the slavery trade, and you still have a minstrel show every winter. i've seen first-hand the way anyone not part of the dutch homogeneous society is treated, and i can assure you, inhumanity is the rule lived by[/QUOTE] Well ain't that a kick in the head. [editline]7th January 2011[/editline] Perhaps we should hate the nordic countries as well. Racist pigs! You started slavery, rabble rabble...
another kick in the head is the fact that when you force a group out violently they not only like sticking with their own kind, but they also learn to hate everyone around them hence you foster extremism, hence you take a big big shit in everything
[QUOTE=thisispain;27266773]oh yeah i'm totally aware of the situation in the netherlands dutch people are some of the most incredibly racist people on the planet, it's in your culture, you started the slavery trade, and you still have a minstrel show every winter. i've seen first-hand the way anyone not part of the dutch homogeneous society is treated, and i can assure you, inhumanity is the rule lived by[/QUOTE] Dutch people didn't specifically start the slave trade, slaves have been around for thousands of years, saying they invented "the slave trade" implies they started the first one, comparing modern society to nomadic people is ridiculous. They started the African slave trade, they didn't invent slavery, and certainly not all dutch people supported slavery even at that time. You're basically using ad hominem - saying he's dutch, and all dutch people are racist, to prove a point.
[QUOTE=sloppy_joes;27266861]Dutch people didn't specifically start the slave trade, slaves have been around for thousands of years, comparing modern society to nomadic people is ridiculous. They started the African slave trade, they didn't invent slavery, and certainly not all dutch people supported slavery even at that time. You're basically using ad hominem - saying he's dutch, and all dutch people are racist, to prove a point.[/QUOTE] well yes apologies, i meant the "modern" slave trade. but the fact of the matter is that this is part of the collective thought in dutch society dutch people who speak up against it are rare and usually get ignored or treated even worse i'm not speaking from an individualistic standpoint, i'm speaking from a cultural one
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