• Trump reluctantly signs bill that blocks him from lifting sanctions on Russia
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[media]https://twitter.com/funder/status/892406622278094850[/media] [media]https://twitter.com/joncoopertweets/status/892786015793852416[/media] He will sign them as I said before,so now you know that these guys are typical liars.These two just want to replace Trump no matter he do.Also if Trump had secret taks with Putin about sanctions can Jon Cooper prove it or he just talking because Trump isn't from his party?
[QUOTE=BlackMageMari;52533302]Ahh, I did not know that. Thanks for letting me know. Now I'm more supportive. The Iran sanctions are still dumb however.[/QUOTE] I think its fairly obvious that lumping in two completely different countries who's purported transgressions are no where near related one another into one sanctions bill is an entirely political maneuver. If I had to guess, probably to get Republicans on board with Russian sanctions, since opening up relations with Iran was a big part of the Obama administration. [editline]2nd August 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=AmberFox;52533315] He signed them as I said before,so now you know that these guys are typical liars[/QUOTE] What do you mean by "these guys" because Scott Dworkin is literally some random Democrat who worked on the Obama campaign according to his bio. His tweet doesn't even make sense; it would have become law in 10 days if he didn't sign it or send it back to Congress, which he couldn't because of the recess. Stop listening to random people on Twitter.
I wouldn't call someone a liar if an anonymous source told them Trump was thinking of deciding one way, and he turns out to decide the other way. First of all, Trump has demonstrated a habit of making decisions based on what the last person who talked to him said. This means his opinion on something changes from day to day. Second of all, if Trump refused to sign the bill and refused to specifically veto it so they could override him, he would be openly signaling to Congress that he is defying them and disregarding their authority, and also that he doesn't understand how bills work. It's entirely likely that Trump [I]did[/I] plan on telling Congress to go fuck itself with its sanctions bill, but someone (probably new chief of staff Kelly) talked sense into him and he agreed to quietly sign it and make the bad press go away. As for whether Jon Cooper can prove that Trump contacted Putin, that's what the "stay tuned" is for. He either will or won't.
Also this is the last paragraph in the signing statement [QUOTE]I built a truly great company worth many billions of dollars. That is a big part of the reason I was elected. As President, I can make far better deals with foreign countries than Congress.[/QUOTE] :v:
Again, nobody seems to be paying attention to the fact that this bill violates the Iran deal and is another unnecessary escalation with Russia.
[media]https://twitter.com/MedvedevRussiaE/status/892848146463588352[/media]
[QUOTE=Raidyr;52533403]Also this is the last paragraph in the signing statement :v:[/QUOTE] So he plans to bully, extort and scam other countries?
[QUOTE=Raidyr;52533403]Also this is the last paragraph in the signing statement [quote]I built a truly great company worth many billions of dollars. That is a big part of the reason I was elected. As President, I can make far better deals with foreign countries than Congress.[/quote] :v:[/QUOTE] Except you're a businessman and NOT a politician. Closing a deal on not paying immigrant workers and deporting them isn't the same as keeping healthy foreign relations, Trump. 🤔
[QUOTE=Jim Morrison;52533440]Again, nobody seems to be paying attention to the fact that this bill violates the Iran deal and is another unnecessary escalation with Russia.[/QUOTE] They are paying attention to it, but no more there is to say because Trump's loud noises are more interesting to listen and talk about.
[QUOTE=Jim Morrison;52533440]Again, nobody seems to be paying attention to the fact that this bill violates the Iran deal and is another unnecessary escalation with Russia.[/QUOTE] Everyone is more excited about the fact that it puts limits on Trump's ability to remove Russia sanctions. Trump also removed sanctions, so this is reapplying them, although it may not be applying the [I]same[/I] sanctions. Republicans didn't care about Obama's efforts in Iran so I'm not surprised they're either cool or not concerned with this. Democrats may not be aware or are more concerned with getting Russia back where it belongs and leashing Trump up a bit. It's a bad overall package signed for the wrong reasons, but in this crazy time they're necessary reasons.
[QUOTE=Jim Morrison;52533440]Again, nobody seems to be paying attention to the fact that this bill violates the Iran deal and is another unnecessary escalation with Russia.[/QUOTE] I get you on the Iran thing but I feel like relations with Russia were escalated when they interfered in our elections. You can't blame the US Government for escalating things when they are responding in kind. [QUOTE=OmniConsUme;52533492]Loading Tweet... [URL]https://twitter.com/MedvedevRussiaE/status/892848146463588352[/URL] [/QUOTE] You'd think Medvedev would know how the US Congress works.
[QUOTE=Raidyr;52533714]I get you on the Iran thing but I feel like relations with Russia were escalated when they interfered in our elections. You can't blame the US Government for escalating things when they are responding in kind. You'd think Medvedev would know how the US Congress works.[/QUOTE] But Obama had already sanctioned Russia after the election, on top of the existing sanctions for Crimea. This new round of sanctions is total overkill and is just being used to score cheap political points and stick it to Trump. The Russia story in general has mostly blown up into a massive hysteria that I think distracts from more important domestic issues in this country. Foreign governments are constantly spying on and trying to influence one another. It didn't change the outcome of the election. And what they were accused of doing, leaking the DNC emails, was information we should have known anyway. Sure, hit them for getting caught (though it's important to note no solid evidence has been publicly given that they did it) then move on. Instead it's been harped on for almost an entire year because it gives the media and the government something to flap their gums about all day long instead of addressing things of much more substance.
[QUOTE=Jim Morrison;52534284]But Obama had already sanctioned Russia after the election, on top of the existing sanctions for Crimea. This new round of sanctions is total overkill and is just being used to score cheap political points and stick it to Trump. The Russia story in general has mostly blown up into a massive hysteria that I think distracts from more important domestic issues in this country. Foreign governments are constantly spying on and trying to influence one another. It didn't change the outcome of the election. And what they were accused of doing, leaking the DNC emails, was information we should have known anyway. Sure, hit them for getting caught (though it's important to note no solid evidence has been publicly given that they did it) then move on. Instead it's been harped on for almost an entire year because it gives the media and the government something to flap their gums about all day long instead of addressing things of much more substance.[/QUOTE] It's kind of funny you say that because the interpretation I've gotten from prominent pro-Trump holdouts is that the Russian story has suddenly dropped off the radar, and that this is proof that it was manufactured. I think the past couple of weeks have been dominated by healthcare and the transgender ban. Additionally it's really hard to tell the media to stop reporting things when the administrations story keeps changing. Should they just stop covering the White House entirely and focus on whatever domestic issues you feel need more coverage? Which are what, exactly?
[QUOTE=Raidyr;52534331]It's kind of funny you say that because the interpretation I've gotten from prominent pro-Trump holdouts is that the Russian story has suddenly dropped off the radar, and that this is proof that it was manufactured. I think the past couple of weeks have been dominated by healthcare and the transgender ban. Additionally it's really hard to tell the media to stop reporting things when the administrations story keeps changing. Should they just stop covering the White House entirely and focus on whatever domestic issues you feel need more coverage? Which are what, exactly?[/QUOTE] The priority for the American people is now, and will be until it is accomplished, the removal of a dangerous, incompetent lunatic from office. Once that's done, then the media can start focusing on other things. The reason the Russia story gets so much coverage is because Public Enemy #1 right now is Donald John Trump.
[QUOTE=archangel125;52534373]Once that's done, then the media can start focusing on other things.[/QUOTE] presumably continuing to provide a torrent of information of declining accuracy and quality to the people no doubt [quote]The reason the Russia story gets so much coverage is because Public Enemy #1 right now is Donald John Trump.[/quote] unlike public enemy no. 1, trump hasn't been murdering people on a regular basis and actively engaging in terrorism come on you have to be an idiot to believe this. nearly half the electorate voted for him
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;52534436]presumably continuing to provide a torrent of information of declining accuracy and quality to the people no doubt unlike public enemy no. 1, trump hasn't been murdering people on a regular basis and actively engaging in terrorism come on you have to be an idiot to believe this. nearly half the electorate voted for him[/QUOTE] Not nearly half the electorate. Nearly half of those who showed up to the polls. Twenty percent of the country. Trump gets so much coverage because many people living in the States see him, and quite rightly, as one of the biggest threats to their freedoms, their democracy, and the American way of life that America has faced in ages.
[QUOTE=archangel125;52534464]Not nearly half the electorate. Nearly half of those who showed up to the polls. Twenty percent of the country.[/quote] are we really gonna go through this whole rigamaroo don't do this stupid bullshit, you know exactly what i mean. you're attacking the exact wording of the argument rather than the actual substance of it (that lots of people voted for him in enough numbers that he won the election) [quote]Trump gets so much coverage because many people living in the States see him, and quite rightly, as one of the biggest threats to their freedoms, their democracy, and the American way of life that America has faced in ages.[/QUOTE] what about the tens of millions of americans who don't even assuming that 60-70% of the country doesn't approve of how good of a job he's doing, that doesn't necessarily mean they all consider him a public threat/menace
[QUOTE=Jim Morrison;52534284]But Obama had already sanctioned Russia after the election, on top of the existing sanctions for Crimea. This new round of sanctions is total overkill and is just being used to score cheap political points and stick it to Trump. The Russia story in general has mostly blown up into a massive hysteria that I think distracts from more important domestic issues in this country. Foreign governments are constantly spying on and trying to influence one another. It didn't change the outcome of the election. And what they were accused of doing, leaking the DNC emails, was information we should have known anyway. Sure, hit them for getting caught (though it's important to note no solid evidence has been publicly given that they did it) then move on. Instead it's been harped on for almost an entire year because it gives the media and the government something to flap their gums about all day long instead of addressing things of much more substance.[/QUOTE] Exactly what I think,Democrats lost and now they try to undermine Trump leadership by spreading rumors through their media,leftists also dislike Trump because he is against "free" healthcare and "free" education.Also if your left and dems want to have open borders,why they only mention syrians and mexicans but never talk about visa-free entry for all europeans and russians.I'm anti-islam so I will never understand those people who defend burqa,hijab or something like that and it's mostly democrats because it's simply oppressive clothing,if they want to migrate to EU\USA they must accept the local culture and norms instead of wearing those things and using the social benefits instead of working.
[QUOTE=Jim Morrison;52534284]But Obama had already sanctioned Russia after the election, on top of the existing sanctions for Crimea. This new round of sanctions is total overkill and is just being used to score cheap political points and stick it to Trump. The Russia story in general has mostly blown up into a massive hysteria that I think distracts from more important domestic issues in this country. Foreign governments are constantly spying on and trying to influence one another. It didn't change the outcome of the election. And what they were accused of doing, leaking the DNC emails, was information we should have known anyway. Sure, hit them for getting caught (though it's important to note no solid evidence has been publicly given that they did it) then move on. Instead it's been harped on for almost an entire year because it gives the media and the government something to flap their gums about all day long instead of addressing things of much more substance.[/QUOTE] "Sticking it to Trump" doesn't get 98% of the senate on board. Only two senators voted Nay on this legislation. Russia attacked our democratic system and undermined the integrity of our elections. That is an undisputed fact among literally every single intelligence agency and almost every single person within the top echelons of our government, excepting the Trump family and their closest yes-men. That [B]has[/B] to come with consequences for Russia. Furthermore, the reason that we are "harping" on this Russia story is because the President of the United States has allegedly committed treason in a bid to undermine our democratic system. This isn't just a "foreign government spying on us," this is a presidential candidate actively working in collusion with that foreign government to launch acts of cyber-terrorism and blackmail against his political opponents. That is a [B][U]HUGE[/U][/B] fucking deal, and the fact that you don't understand why [I]seriously[/I] undercuts your credibility to be having this conversation. Of course, I recognize what's happening here. Now that the evidence for Trump's treason is growing increasingly difficult to rationally counter, his supporters are officially making the switch from "this is all Fake News!" to "treason isn't that bad. When you think about it, Trump is actually kind of a hero for working with Putin to keep Crooked Hillary out of office!"
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