One of world's biggest elephants, with huge ass tusks, killed by poachers with poison arrows, then h - Polidicks

Fucking faggot insensible poachers go suck some dicks

[QUOTE=Lurker;45129499]Poachers wouldn't exist if the people in the country had decent living conditions.[/QUOTE] "i'm poor so therefore it is okay for me to rob a bank"

There should be an international law to forbid ivory trade..

[QUOTE=Noss;45129758]"i'm poor so therefore it is okay for me to rob a bank"[/QUOTE] it's not that it's okay, it's that it's kind of understandable that people living in crippling poverty are willing to kill an animal for the large amounts of money ivory gets

Why the fuck don't we just put up a standing bounty on any poachers and just let folk go and hunt them? They're happy enough to kill endangered animals so fuck them.

[QUOTE=Noss;45129758]"i'm poor so therefore it is okay for me to rob a bank"[/QUOTE] If most of your family was starving to death, you'd be more open to to the idea.

Here's a vid about this stuff if anyone is interested NSFW elephant death :( [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ygHH40MAL7w[/media] [editline]17th June 2014[/editline] As they say, China is dumping a lot of money into this stuff. It's almost like a gold rush for people who need money. It's also really sad because a lot of Chinese think that elephants natually shed their tusks or something. There needs to be more awareness through messaging campaigns that basically say "You buy ivory, you kill elephants"

this has been happening for a long, long, long time

[QUOTE=Kondor;45130500]this has been happening for a long, long, long time[/QUOTE] not nearly as bad as it is now though, with more Chinese entering the middle class went up from 35% of all elephants deaths to 85% [b]85%[/b] all ALL elephants deaths are due to poaching

[QUOTE=TAU!;45129467]I think we should just make it completely legal to kill poachers on sight. They do not give two shits about the animals they're killing and are only in this business to make a profit. They do not care at all. That wouldn't help, considering that would only divide up the market. One for the lab-grown stuff, and another for the real stuff. If the artificial stuff became popular, that would only make authentic ivory more valuable. That would create an even bigger problem. Just look at faux leather/pleather and fake fur. They exist, but genuine leather and real animal furs are still in demand and are still as pricey as ever.[/QUOTE] Lab grown ivory would be real ivory though. It's not like fake fur, which is just imitation, it's actually the same as the original except grown in a lab.

imagine 8 or 9 out of 10 people dying by murder instead of anything else [editline]17th June 2014[/editline] ooops automerge broked

[QUOTE=joost1120;45130520]Lab grown ivory would be real ivory though. It's not like fake fur, which is just imitation, it's actually the same as the original except grown in a lab.[/QUOTE] but it doesnt come from magical cancer curing rhinos and elephants

I would definitely watch a show called "Ivory Wars" where a team of soldiers/mercenaries track and hunt down poachers. It'd be like a Whale Wars that actually accomplished something and would be interesting to watch.

[QUOTE=Paramud;45128333]No one fucks with President Rhino.[/QUOTE] Free straw for everyone! Vote President Rhino!

The chinese-speaking internet as a whole should come together and spread rumors of Ivory being very very bad luck then actually pay the rangers more than a month's work of average hunting, then everyone would want to join the rangers. Allow as many as possible in. The rangers keep doing elephant watching / park keeping work and the money they're given fuels the real kenyan economy instead of black markets'.

[QUOTE=outlawpickle;45130783]I would definitely watch a show called "Ivory Wars" where a team of soldiers/mercenaries track and hunt down poachers. It'd be like a Whale Wars that actually accomplished something and would be interesting to watch.[/QUOTE] that sounds really exploitative and terrible. like those reality TV shows about drug addicts that are entirely dedicated to seeing them cry and have nervous breakdowns for your entertainment and then they just put in a little chirpy note at the end like "but he went to rehab so its fine :)" that VICE video shows that a lot of poachers would gladly work for the conservationists instead, but they get paid so little (if they get paid at all) that it's not really an option for them. i don't want to see those guys get hunted down for sport because they got put in a bad situation, i want to see actual solutions to stop them from turning to poaching.

[QUOTE=Cone;45131892]that sounds really exploitative and terrible. like those reality TV shows about drug addicts that are entirely dedicated to seeing them cry and have nervous breakdowns for your entertainment and then they just put in a little chirpy note at the end like "but he went to rehab so its fine :)" that VICE video shows that a lot of poachers would gladly work for the conservationists instead, but they get paid so little (if they get paid at all) that it's not really an option for them. i don't want to see those guys get hunted down for sport because they got put in a bad situation, i want to see actual solutions to stop them from turning to poaching.[/QUOTE] Gotta hunt something. It's your choice, elephants or people. I myself want a nice African human ivory necklace and I'm willing to pay top dollar for it. But I agree with you, probably not that great an idea to televise murdering people who, at the root of the issue, are just trying to earn a living.

[QUOTE=Lurker;45129499]Poachers wouldn't exist if the people in the country had decent living conditions.[/QUOTE] This is sort of half true. Poaching would be less of an issue if African nations didn't have so many social and economic issues, but honestly park rangers should still have the capacity to defend endangered animals with force. There's also the issue with general demand as well, there seems to be a bullshit homeopathy-ish culture hellbent on ensuring that endangered animals get killed.

[QUOTE=Noss;45129758]"i'm poor so therefore it is okay for me to rob a bank"[/QUOTE] What would you do if you were a piss-poor African with little to no other options?

[QUOTE=Feroaffer;45128294]There should be guards protecting elephants like they do with rhinos [IMG]http://vni.s3.amazonaws.com/140114073455570.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE] I've said this in another thread, but there have been cases of Poachers killing the guards and employees of sanctuaries if they get in their way and some of those poachers are armed to the fucking teeth which is why those soldiers are carrying assault rifles.

[QUOTE=joost1120;45130520]Lab grown ivory would be real ivory though. It's not like fake fur, which is just imitation, it's actually the same as the original except grown in a lab.[/QUOTE] But how will the ignorant poachers view that? They'll think it's fake because they don't see it actually growing off of an elephant or rhino. There will also still be people who think that the genuine stuff is best taken from the elephants.

[QUOTE=Satane;45133272]Poachers don't really give a shit if it's fake or not, they just want to make some money. They'd stop if ivory became worthless.[/QUOTE] or at least until dumbasses with money want rhino skin jackets.

Sounds horrible but if there is a big need for ivory they should breed a group for ivory and leave the wild ones alone, instead of killing off the rare giant tusk elephants Say goodbye to your last pay check assholes.

It's interesting to me that a forum generally against the death penalty for murderers is perfectly fine with systematically shooting down poverty stricken people killing animals for money to feed their families. (FP isn't a hivemind, I know, but you can't deny the general response is very different.) [editline]17th June 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Arc Nova;45133338]Sounds horrible but if there is a big need for ivory they should breed a group for ivory and leave the wild ones alone, instead of killing off the rare giant tusk elephants Say goodbye to your last pay check assholes.[/QUOTE] I agree, they should just let people farm the elephants for ivory in the same way that we farm cows for meat. This would create an entire community (elephant ranchers) who would have every incentive to fight against poaching, it would decrease ivory prices across the globe as supply went up, it would make the product seems less exotic, it would allow selective breeding for larger tusks, it would allow more humane methods of killing, etc. In the end, you will never get rid of the demand (just like diamonds).

[QUOTE=sgman91;45133365]It's interesting to me that a forum generally against the death penalty for murderers is perfectly fine with systematically shooting down poverty stricken people killing animals for money to feed their families. (FP isn't a hivemind, I know, but you can't deny the general response is very different.) [editline]17th June 2014[/editline] I agree, they should just let people farm the elephants for ivory in the same way that we farm cows for meat. It would help satiate the high world demand for ivory which would bring down the price and make poaching less profitable.[/QUOTE] There won't be enough to go around regardless and it's not going to stop the poachers from trying to kill more elephants, to try and take advantage of the demand. When people are desperate, small things like laws aren't going to stop them from doing what they think needs to be done.

[QUOTE=Zonesylvania;45133455]There won't be enough to go around regardless and it's not going to stop the poachers from trying to kill more elephants, to try and take advantage of the demand. When people are desperate, small things like laws aren't going to stop them from doing what they think needs to be done.[/QUOTE] No, it won't get rid of them entirely, but it will help.

[QUOTE=sgman91;45133464]No, it won't get rid of them entirely, but it will help.[/QUOTE] True, every little bit helps. That said, though, all we can do is try, better to try something out than leave the status quo the way it is.

I wouldn't mind poaching or trophy hunting if they were only allowed to use spears or hunting knives. If you can manage to take down an elephant using one of these, you can keep the damned tusks. [t]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/07/Km2000-2.jpg[/t]

Also, why was the elephant carcass all stained in white? in the colored picture notably.

[QUOTE=sgman91;45133365]It's interesting to me that a forum generally against the death penalty for murderers is perfectly fine with systematically shooting down poverty stricken people killing animals for money to feed their families. (FP isn't a hivemind, I know, but you can't deny the general response is very different.) [editline]17th June 2014[/editline] I agree, they should just let people farm the elephants for ivory in the same way that we farm cows for meat. This would create an entire community (elephant ranchers) who would have every incentive to fight against poaching, it would decrease ivory prices across the globe as supply went up, it would make the product seems less exotic, it would allow selective breeding for larger tusks, it would allow more humane methods of killing, etc. In the end, you will never get rid of the demand (just like diamonds).[/QUOTE] but elephants are pretty dam smart they arnt like chickens they even fucking moran dead like us they pretty much married they mates ( sticking with them for life. ) so no if you could grow ivory by itself then yea sure but otherwise no farming them is no better.