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Thermite has been debunked, I'm ignoring that because your fanatic. A physics teacher teaches out of books and doesn't require a great knowledge of physics. Teachers aren't qualified.
Here's the physicist's research journal gathered by a group of professionals in NY at Ground Zero. [URL]http://www.scientistsfor911truth.org/docs/Harrit_active_thermite.pdf[/URL] It's explicitly clear that the amount of thermite found is in the tons and could not have been there in a natural occurring incidence (ie: the way bravehat tried to explain). at the posters above me... :downsbravo:
[QUOTE=ShukaidoX;25138203]Here's the physicist's research journal gathered by a group of professionals in NY at Ground Zero. [URL]http://www.scientistsfor911truth.org/docs/Harrit_active_thermite.pdf[/URL] It's explicitly clear that the amount of thermite found is in the tons and could not have been there in a natural occurring incidence (ie: the way bravehat tried to explain).[/QUOTE] Clearly you missed my post.
Clearly you know more then the researchers who spent years compiling this evidence. Oh wait, no you don't, and neither does any of FP for that matter. So either read it in its entirety and then get back to me or, :fuckoff:
[QUOTE=ShukaidoX;25138314]Clearly you know more then the researchers who spent years compiling this evidence. Oh wait, no you don't, and neither does any of FP for that matter. So either read it in its entirety and then get back to me or, :fuckoff:[/QUOTE] Good luck ever getting good marks on a paper or dissertation that uses A SINGLE SOURCE.
also, I would LOVE for someone to show me some evidence that even proves it isn't legitimate. No one has anything. [editline]10:06PM[/editline] Apparently you weren't paying attention. You wanted sources? [QUOTE=ShukaidoX;25136657][URL="http://www.ae911truth.org/"]Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth[/URL] [URL="http://www.historycommons.org/project.jsp?project=911_project"]Complete 9/11 Timeline [/URL] [URL="http://firefightersfor911truth.org/"]Firefighters for 9/11 Truth[/URL] [URL="http://www.journalof911studies.com/"]Journal of 9/11 Studies[/URL] [URL="http://l911t.com/"]Lawyers for 9/11 Truth[/URL] [URL="http://l911t.com/"]Medical Professionals for 9/11 Truth[/URL][URL="http://l911t.com/"] [/URL] [URL="http://patriotsquestion911.com/"]Patriots Question 9/11[/URL] [URL="http://pilotsfor911truth.org/"]Pilots for 9/11 Truth[/URL] [URL="http://pl911truth.com/"]Political Leaders for 9/11 Truth[/URL][URL="http://pl911truth.com/"] [/URL] [URL="http://rl911truth.org/"]Religious Leaders for 9/11 Truth [/URL][URL="http://rl911truth.org/"] [/URL] [URL="http://stj911.org/index.html"]Scholars for 9/11 Truth & Justice[/URL][URL="http://stj911.org/index.html"] [/URL] [URL="http://physics911.net/"]Scientific Panel Investigating Nine-Eleven[/URL] [URL="http://v911t.org/"]Veterans for 9/11 Truth[/URL][URL="http://v911t.org/"] [/URL] [URL="http://911truth.org/"]911Truth.org[/URL] Take your pick.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=ShukaidoX;25138348]also, I would LOVE for someone to show me some evidence that even proves it isn't legitimate. No one has anything.[/QUOTE] Legitimacy of a source is an opinion, and in our opinions this isn't legit because it doesn't hold any trusted big names
Right. You know who else argues like that? Religious people. 'I don't like your scientific sources, I have mine (read: bible) and thats all i need' :downs:
[QUOTE=ShukaidoX;25138348]also, I would LOVE for someone to show me some evidence that even proves it isn't legitimate. No one has anything. [editline]10:06PM[/editline] Apparently you weren't paying attention. You wanted sources?[/QUOTE] Apparently you can't get a single source that isn't marred by a blatantly obvious agenda.
I find it funny how a some people in this thread are so butthurt from "Truth about 9/11" threads (presumably American for obvious reasons). You treat it like it's the worst disaster in the history of mankind and get so angry from having to accept possibly true evidence and even then question any evidence that someone gives.
[QUOTE=JJ Webby;25138431]I find it funny how a some people in this thread are so butthurt from "Truth about 9/11" threads (presumably American for obvious reasons). You treat it like it's the worst disaster in the history of mankind and get so angry from having to accept possibly true evidence and even then question any evidence that someone gives.[/QUOTE] This. This again and again, thousands of times, every day for a millennia.
[QUOTE=JJ Webby;25138431]I find it funny how a some people in this thread are so butthurt from "Truth about 9/11" threads (presumably American for obvious reasons). You treat it like it's the worst disaster in the history of mankind and get so angry from having to accept possibly true evidence and even then question any evidence that someone gives.[/QUOTE] "Evidence" isn't some badly made conspiracy site. Sorry.
[QUOTE=ketchup;25138495]"Evidence" isn't some badly made conspiracy site. Sorry.[/QUOTE] "Thinking" you know more than scientists, generals, military officials, architects, engineers, and physicists isn't the same as actually knowing worth a damn. Sorry.
[QUOTE=ThePunisher1;25132199]I think most people will sit on the fence about this, reason being that thinking that the US government carried this out is extreme, yet to also think Al Quaeda could have carried out what was a fairly sophisticated attack, is also extreme, both eventualities are far fetched. I work as a structural designer (one under structural engineer) and have always been fairly sceptical about the events of 9/11, a building just does not fail to fire like that, especially a steelwork structure.[/QUOTE] It wasn't just fire, don't forget the plane impact would cause the whole thing to wobble like an earthquake, and although the structure of a Skyscraper is actually quite good at dealing with earthquakes, earthquakes don't come from above and sideways.
[QUOTE=JJ Webby;25138431]I find it funny how a some people in this thread are so butthurt from "Truth about 9/11" threads (presumably American for obvious reasons). You treat it like it's the worst disaster in the history of mankind and get so angry from having to accept possibly true evidence and even then question any evidence that someone gives.[/QUOTE] Except all of the "evidence" is from some bullshit conspiracy website.
[QUOTE=ShukaidoX;25138547]"Thinking" you know more than scientists, generals, military officials, architects, engineers, and physicists isn't the same as actually knowing worth a damn. Sorry.[/QUOTE] I do I am a genius. [editline]06:15PM[/editline] I am not going to cite my source.
[QUOTE=ShukaidoX;25138547]"Thinking" you know more than scientists, generals, military officials, architects, engineers, and physicists isn't the same as actually knowing worth a damn. Sorry.[/QUOTE] I'm pretty sure there are more of those people that think 9/11 was a terrorist job, but they just don't go out of their way because they just don't give a fuck
[QUOTE=DeanWinchester;25138553]It wasn't just fire, don't forget the plane impact would cause the whole thing to wobble like an earthquake, and although the structure of a Skyscraper is actually quite good at dealing with earthquakes, earthquakes don't come from above and sideways.[/QUOTE] That still doesn't explain the fact that tons of explosively reacting material was found in the rubble of the buildings. No one here is denying that the planes hit the towers and caused massive damage. What's disputable is if that alone was enough to take them down, including one that wasn't even hit by a plane. [editline]10:19PM[/editline] Also, I keep hearing the argument "these sources are about 9/11, they're all bs" but no one seems to want to back them up. My thinking is that is because you have no actual logical reasoning to back up your claims.
THERE COULD NOT HAVE BEEN "TONS" OF THERMITE! IT IS A FUCKING IMPOSSIBILITY. We have actual science on our side. Physics, studies by valid sources that haven't been discredited and debunked, research from real organizations. You have actors and teachers and other conspiracy theorists coming up with opinions, and speculation. NOT FACT. You have [highlight]NO FACTS[/highlight].
[QUOTE=ShukaidoX;25138348]also, I would LOVE for someone to show me some evidence that even proves it isn't legitimate. No one has anything. [editline]10:06PM[/editline] Apparently you weren't paying attention. You wanted sources?[/QUOTE] how about a source that's not from a truthfor911 or some shit like that. how about a research paper about nanothermite that has nothing to do with 911 that shows how 'incredible' it is.
[QUOTE=Zeddy;25138657]THERE COULD NOT HAVE BEEN "TONS" OF THERMITE! IT IS A FUCKING IMPOSSIBILITY. We have actual science on our side. Physics, studies by valid sources that haven't been discredited and debunked, research from real organizations. You have actors and teachers and other conspiracy theorists coming up with opinions, and speculation. NOT FACT. You have [highlight]NO FACTS[/highlight].[/QUOTE] Source? otherwise :frogdowns:
[QUOTE=Zeddy;25138657]THERE COULD NOT HAVE BEEN "TONS" OF THERMITE! IT IS A FUCKING IMPOSSIBILITY. We have actual science on our side. Physics, studies by valid sources that haven't been discredited and debunked, research from real organizations. You have actors and teachers and other conspiracy theorists coming up with opinions, and speculation. NOT FACT. You have [highlight]NO FACTS[/highlight].[/QUOTE] No no no, some shoddy opinions from [highlight][b]EX[/b][/highlight]-military people is much more credible than science. SILLY GOOSE.
[quote=foda;25138712]how about a source that's not from a truthfor911 or some shit like that. How about a research paper about nanothermite that has nothing to do with 911 that shows how 'incredible' it is.[/quote] [quote=shukaidox;25138594] also, i keep hearing the argument "these sources are about 9/11, they're all bs" but no one seems to want to back them up. My thinking is that is because you have no actual logical reasoning to back up your claims.[/quote]
Lets start with the question of "How did they gets in the 'tons' of thermite?" Moving literally tons of explosive materials in to a building like that would have been noticed by many people, taken all day, and would have been questioned by everyone at the time. Did they move it in using fucking coffee cups? Second, the material would have been ignited when the whole fucking building was in flames, it would not have survived the fires. If that much were to have survived somehow, you once again have the question of how everyone in the fucking streets, the firemen, police, news crews, independent journalists, civilians, missed it. Third, everyone there would have noticed tons of thermite reacting. The heat would have been felt over a large area. People would have seen the reactions. It wouldn't have subtly reacted. Thermite does not work like that.
[QUOTE=ShukaidoX;25138752][/QUOTE] I'm asking for proof that nano-thermite has the ability to be mass-produced and used for demolition purposes. you keep using your very biased sites for providing proof. you need to provide a non-biased source.
[QUOTE=Foda;25138916]I'm asking for proof that nano-thermite has the ability to be mass-produced and used for demolition purposes. you keep using your very biased sites for providing proof. you need to provide a non-biased source.[/QUOTE] I could ask Fox News about Communism and get a less biased opinion.
[QUOTE=ShukaidoX;25138594] Also, I keep hearing the argument "these sources are about 9/11, they're all bs" but no one seems to want to back them up. My thinking is that is because you have no actual logical reasoning to back up your claims.[/QUOTE] How about you go find these figures for yourself, do the math, and come show us instead of coming back again and again shouting "LOOK GUYS LOOK AT THIS SITE LOOK THIS WILL OPEN YOUR EYES FINALLY". What you're doing is the equivalent of covering your ears and shouting "NA NA NANA NA". You're just as bad as the people you're calling sheep. You're ignoring anything credible anyone else is saying in the favor of keeping up with your twisted fantasy. Want to know what you are? You're a fucking hypocrite. Want to convince us? Start with [i]why[/i]. Why would the US government crash a plane into the World Trade Center, killing three thousand American citizens? What could've the ulterior motive? For oil? Prices are still high. For money? We've spent trillions on the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq. For total, corruptible power? That's a stupid, cynical view that has no real answer. I'm as against the Patriot act as anybody else, but the dude in charge isn't much more powerful than he was before 9/11. You might argue that terrorism is an excuse to get anyone arrested easier for no real reason, but we managed to get through the Red Scare okay. Just think about it. What kind of reason would the government of the United States have for killing more than 3000 of its own citizens? It's like a real-life court case. You can have all of the flimsy, untested evidence you want, but you're not going to convince the jury that the US government is guilty just because you have a bunch of empty theories and some biased, unreliable witnesses.
STOP USING SENSE. WAKE UP SHEEPLE. [img]http://i.imgur.com/iDDqT.png[/img]
[QUOTE=ShukaidoX;25137678]Only looked at it for roughly, what, 10 seconds? Otherwise you'd know that although the title of the article mentions thermite, the scientific findings refer to NANO-THERMITE. Completely different in composition, size, and effect. My you really are dense. Before you post next time, maybe you should actually read into what you're arguing about and getting so mad over.[/QUOTE] It doesn't matter you fuck, it's not a high explosive, you don't even know what nano thermite does. It doesn't cut in straight lines, and it sure as fuck doesn't act like a high explosive. It acts like super thermite, it's just the reaction but far more intense, it's STILL not an explosive reaction. Concrete wouldn't get pummeled by a thermite reaction, it would get melted.
Ok so what would have happened if a plane missed or hit too low/high? The explosive would have been out of place and it would have been obvious it was done in by explosives. Or if it missed completely, fire fighters or some one would stumble upon explosives and it would be traced back to the government. Do you really think that the U.S government is that stupid? Stupid to put their risk their image with a few terrorists? Even if the towers were rigged, why the fuck would U.S purposly use that as an excuse to go to Iraq/Afghanistan? There is no logic behind it, all of this conspiracy stuff is from lunatics like the op that can't understand plain and simple what happened.
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