9/11 Truth movement holds series of press conferences
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I'm going to stop reading after the 2nd page right now. First off, from what I have read so far, most of you are horrible arguers. I'm not saying you aren't provided sufficient evidence while countering the opponents evidence, but everyones' posts are filled with curses and insults, this is not the best way to argue. If everyone here really wants to discuss the issue be professional please. Nobody wants to read a post filled with insults.
On a related note: There is just as much evidence for 9/11 conspiracy theorists as there is to those believing that a plane made two large structures collapse. All these arguments have been stated plenty of times around the web, bringing the argument up here isn't going to solve anything. I doubt anybody is going to change their view over what they currently think happened.
[QUOTE=newbs;25143101]I'm not one for conspiracy theres, but I really wouldn't be surprised at anything the governments done. Jesus guys, you view america as a country that can do no wrong. You'd think after observing all the previous civilizations that have come before us you'd learn not to be surprised.. You're like a helpless wife who is shocked every time her abusive husband beats her.[/QUOTE]
BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
No, america is a big fucked up place that's fucking up in a lot of ways.
Which is exactly why it's insane to believe the fucked up place could handle such a needlessly elaborate situation. Yes, false flag operations happen, and yes the US has commited them before, but no, that doesn't make this one. If it is one, then it was as simple as them telling a plane to hit a tower, no explosives or anything stupid like that.
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[QUOTE=TravisG;25143134]I'm going to stop reading after the 2nd page right now. First off, from what I have read so far, most of you are horrible arguers. I'm not saying you aren't provided sufficient evidence while countering the opponents evidence, but everyones' posts are filled with curses and insults, this is not the best way to argue. If everyone here really wants to discuss the issue be professional please. Nobody wants to read a post filled with insults.
On a related note: There is just as much evidence for 9/11 conspiracy theorists as there is to those believing that a plane made two large structures collapse. All these arguments have been stated plenty of times around the web, bringing the argument up here isn't going to solve anything. I doubt anybody is going to change their view over what they currently think happened.[/QUOTE]
I agree that there doesn't need to be insults, but why does it matter if someone swears.
People want to discuss this shit, even though it means nothing, people are discussing it. Why do you want them not to? It doesn't matter if nothing is solved, at least some communication of ideas is going on.
Also, no, there's far more evidence that a plane hit a building and made it collapse than that there were high explosive magical nano thermite bombs planted everywhich place on two(three) towers and no one noticed and etc.
[QUOTE=TravisG;25143134]On a related note: There is just as much evidence for 9/11 conspiracy theorists as there is to those believing that a plane made two large structures collapse.[/QUOTE]
Wrong
We're swearing and arguing because this guy has been involved in two 40+ page 9/11 threads posting terrible sources, insulting users, backtracking, ignoring evidence, and pretty much acting like a complete troll. We've pretty much beaten him in every argument and every thread with evidence, reports, journals, evaluations and counter-argument. We did that nicely for two long threads. We're just bored of it now.
Get off your high horse and check out his and our history before making some bullshit blanket statement that we're terrible people, and that he has as much of a point as we do. He doesn't because he's wrong, and we've proved that many, many times.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;25143140]BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
No, america is a big fucked up place that's fucking up in a lot of ways.
Which is exactly why it's insane to believe the fucked up place could handle such a needlessly elaborate situation. Yes, false flag operations happen, and yes the US has commited them before, but no, that doesn't make this one. If it is one, then it was as simple as them telling a plane to hit a tower, no explosives or anything stupid like that.
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I agree that there doesn't need to be insults, but why does it matter if someone swears.
People want to discuss this shit, even though it means nothing, people are discussing it. Why do you want them not to? It doesn't matter if nothing is solved, at least some communication of ideas is going on.
Also, no, there's far more evidence that a plane hit a building and made it collapse than that there were high explosive magical nano thermite bombs planted everywhich place on two(three) towers and no one noticed and etc.[/QUOTE]
yeah america is so fucked up 2 of my friends died yesterday, that makes 13 this month
[QUOTE=ShukaidoX;25136988]'Oh no, he's back with more evidence! Quick, discredit him with ad hominem before anyone can check the legitimacy of his claims!'[/QUOTE]
None of your evidence is evidence. Everything you post is from troofers and troofer websites. You have no legitimate sources of information, but you don't mind, because the troofer websites you read have told you that you can't trust legitimate sources of information.
There's no reason for me to argue with you about thermite. Why not? Because you're not a chemist, and you don't understand what the hell is going on. I'm not a chemist, and I don't understand what the hell is going on either. You can copy and paste some claim about thermite from your troofer website, and I can copy and paste some counter-claim from a debunking website or a science magazine, but neither of us has the expertise to analyze them on that level, so what's the point?
So, since I can't credibly argue the science, and neither can you, we can examine the credibility of those who are. Where is their information coming from? What are their credentials? If you examine these aspects of the troofer movement, their credibility collapses faster than the twin towers. Apart from the choice of issue, your beloved troofers are really no different from creationism/intelligent design advocates.
I really don't understand why so many people hate you TH89.
[QUOTE=MrEndangered;25143413]I really don't understand why so many people hate you TH89.[/QUOTE]
Bad bans constantly.
Good post though.
Looks like he abandoned the thread.
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What a surprise
[QUOTE=Lambeth;25143218]Wrong[/QUOTE]
Well seeing as there hasn't been an official investigation yet, and the only proof anyone has is what was visually witnessed and the press reports and maybe some various other documents from people on-scene. There isn't much to prove right now.
[QUOTE=TravisG;25143609]Well seeing as there hasn't been an official investigation yet, and the only proof anyone has is what was visually witnessed and the press reports and maybe some various other documents from people on-scene. There isn't much to prove right now.[/QUOTE]
Still wrong, there's still evidence more on one side than the other.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;25143617]Still wrong, there's still evidence more on one side than the other.[/QUOTE]
Care to elaborate?
[QUOTE=TravisG;25143645]Care to elaborate?[/QUOTE]
Even without an in depth forensic study(Which needs to be done), it's quite obvious when some 99% of some 300,000 engineers and architects say "Yeah, it was the fucking planes", it's like that yeah, it was the fucking planes.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;25143670]Even without an in depth forensic study(Which needs to be done), it's quite obvious when some 99% of some 300,000 engineers and architects say "Yeah, it was the fucking planes", it's like that yeah, it was the fucking planes.[/QUOTE]
Not to be a skeptic towards that number, but I think a credible source would back up that claim.
Also who is credited for piloting the planes? I have honestly heard about claims from dozens of countries taking credit towards it.
If you can convince the survivors of 9/11 that it wasn't the planes maybe you have something.
[QUOTE=Lambeth;25143738]If you can convince the survivors of 9/11 that it wasn't the planes maybe you have something.[/QUOTE]
If anyone can prove that, than they do deserve some credit.
[QUOTE=TravisG;25143733]Not to be a skeptic towards that number, but I think a credible source would back up that claim.
Also who is credited for piloting the planes? I have honestly heard about claims from dozens of countries taking credit towards it.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=RBM11;24740384]The Bureau of Labor Statistics estimated there were 141,200 architects and 183,200 engineers in the U.S. in 2008 which gives a total of 324,400 architects and engineers in the U.S. at the time (it's expected to be larger now.) This means that .4% of architects and engineers have signed this petition. Even if we assume that ten times as many architects and engineers support the conspiracy but have not signed the petition only 4% support the conspiracy. And this is only engineers in the U.S. If the petition included members from other countries then the percentage would be even lower. The petition also includes "architectural professionals" which could probably add a solid 100,000 or more to the numbers. This is a similar situation as the number of "scientists" in general who believe in "intelligent design."
Sources:
[URL]http://www.bls.gov/oco/ocos027.htm[/URL]
[URL]http://www.bls.gov/oco/ocos038.htm[/URL]
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Edit: I can't believe it's been 18 pages and no one has done this. I thought you guys were smarter than this.
Edit 2: Fuck, I thought the 183,200 was total but it was "other." The actual number was 1.6 million revising the total to 1.75 million and making the percentages to .07% and .7% respectably.[/QUOTE]
Alright then. The only reason I would, if at all, be inclined to believe what the conspiracy side of the architects said about the incident would be because of this site
[url]http://www.ae911truth.org/[/url]
But, then again, 99% is quite a large number.
And I would like you to answer the other question I asked
Firstly, there is an official report.
Secondly, there are numerous science articles, government and non-government reports, university studies, journals by engineers and physicists that prove two planes hit a tower and made them collapse.
The other side of the argument has non-peer reviewed journals by psychologists (Who are more than qualified for engineering, right?), Internet videos that don't show all the information, inaccurate evidence (Seriously, if another 'science journal' tells me that the tower had a concrete core I shall kill some motherfucker) or flat out lies (That there was no way thermite should be there - which is plain wrong, not alone uneducated ass pulling)
These reasons are why the 9/11 movement is practically dead.
[QUOTE=ShukaidoX;25132159][IMG]http://www.reuters.com/resources_v2/images/logo.gif[/IMG]
Looks like the whistleblowers are starting to come out. What have you 9/11-truth naysayers have to say about this?
[URL="http://www.reuters.com/article/idUS204116+09-Sep-2010+PRN20100909"]source[/URL][/QUOTE]
i hav thot tht we attacked ourselves ever since i looked at the pentegon. nothing of the plain left over. the fbi coming and stealing all the surrounding shops and stores video of "whatever" hit the building and all that
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;25143837]sources[/QUOTE]
Any conspiracy theorist would say that the government is lying about this, because lets face it, conspiracy theorists are retarded and won't listen to anything that disagree with them
[QUOTE=Tetracycline;25144184]Any conspiracy theorist would say that the government is lying about this, because lets face it, conspiracy theorists are retarded and won't listen to anything that disagree with them[/QUOTE]
if you dont think that the government is hiding stuff from us then you are stupid
[QUOTE=Decripted;25144209]if you dont think that the government is hiding stuff from us then you are stupid[/QUOTE]
But conspiracy theorists denounce ANY source that has ANYTHING government related on it AT ALL EVER
Which is one of the ONLY people that have the authority to do a search and shit, so what the fuck?
[QUOTE=Decripted;25144209]if you dont think that the government is hiding stuff from us then you are stupid[/QUOTE]
We know the government hides things from us - that's pretty obvious, they admit it themselves. They sell arms to countries they shouldn't be, they torture people that might be terrorists (But probably aren't), they cover up mistakes the military have made to save public image, and not to mention all the prime booty they're getting down the local whore house every Friday.
But killing 5000 of your own citizens to fund a war that will see you out of office, out of favor and put your country in serious debt?
Sure, that sounds reasonable.
[QUOTE=MrEndangered;25144295]We know the government hides things from us - that's pretty obvious, they admit it themselves. They sell arms to countries they shouldn't be, they torture people that might be terrorists (But probably aren't), they cover up mistakes the military have made to save public image, and not to mention all the prime booty they're getting down the local whore house every Friday.
But killing 5000 of your own citizens to fund a war that will see you out of office, out of favor and put your country in serious debt?
Sure, that sounds reasonable.[/QUOTE]
sounds rather Saddam Hussein-ish
[QUOTE=ShukaidoX;25142187]Just because you haven't even read it doesn't mean it's rubbish. Hate to break it to you.[/QUOTE]
:siren::irony::siren:
[QUOTE=Lambeth;25144532]sounds rather Saddam Hussein-ish[/QUOTE]
There are plenty of bad things these conspiracy theorists could complain about. Missing money in Iraq, the ill-treatment of prisoners on American soil, the killing of innocent civilians throughout the war.
But oh no no, these aren't 'real' issues for these people, no, they just want to believe and be fed this bullshit that's been debunked and debunked and debunked just so they can live life knowing that they were right and they could bring 'The Man' down anytime they wish if 'The Man and His Sheeple' would let him. But hey, when it comes to innocent Iraqi's lives or missing aid money, no, they don't give a shit about REAL people.
Well fuck'em, if they want to believe men in robes hang around Wiccan circles plotting the death of their citizens, fine, go ahead you shallow bastards while the rest of us go around caring about REAL problems, and REAL crisis.
[quote]
[B]"9/11 has been an excuse to use our brave young troops as cannon fodder in unjust wars of aggression.[/quote]
[/B]At least this part is true.
The type of research you're going to get suggesting any US government involvement in 9/11 is the best you're going to get. It will almost always remain an independent research. Most scientists are not going to come to that conclusion or even just even mention it, they will lose their credibility in other research they publish. After nine years, I think most have made up their mind, and any clues, hints, facts, evidence, coincidences, or judgments are going to be irrelevant to the person's opinion.
Billions of tons of thermite were at the scene of 9/11 according to this geocities website I found.
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