• 'Pregnant' Burglar Shot Dead By Homeowner
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[QUOTE=Mudbone;45506724]lol why so they can surely get away wile the police file a report that will never be looked at and the person never caught. I'm guessing you have never had your house broken into or mugged at gunpoint. How about burglars stop breaking into peoples houses and they won't be shot.[/QUOTE] What's your argument? What we're saying is that the way she was killed(by execution) is wrong, not that robbers getting shot overall is wrong. If you are a robber and get shot while in the act that's their fault, but executing a fleeing person is not okay. Just because cops don't do their job does not mean you can just go vigilante and murder people.
[QUOTE=lolwutdude;45506706]both are executions you know murder that could have been avoided? [editline]26th July 2014[/editline] its going out of your way when someone is begging for their life and you execute them anyways just to send the other burglar a message[/QUOTE] have a heart and put your gun down when burglar begs for his life. Burglar or partner pulls there own gun a shoots you. lol cool now no witnesses.
you can't do this in war, you can't do this as an officer, so this guy sure as hell can't do this. i have no doubt he's going to go straight to prison for a few years after they investigate this further.
[QUOTE=Atlascore;45506744]No a decent human thing to do is not burglarize people in the first place.[/QUOTE] What a dumb as fuck response. that's plainly obvious, no one is agreeing that burglars are justified but how about don't execute people who are running away like how hard is this to understand.
[QUOTE=Mudbone;45506742]have a heart and put your gun down when burglar begs for his life. Burglar or partner pulls there own gun a shoots you. lol cool now no witnesses.[/QUOTE] Hypothetical situations used as arguments tend to amount to smoke and mirrors. Hindsight is always 20/20, but it isn't relevant unless it actually happens in another incident later. I still say he shouldn't have fired [b]in this case[/b] because the burglar was no longer a threat.
[QUOTE=Atlascore;45506744]No a decent human thing to do is not burglarize people in the first place.[/QUOTE] what kind of logic is this "bro, executing people is bad" "robbing people is bad!" okay, so whats your point??? its like you can't justify murder so you keep saying robbing is bad [QUOTE=Mudbone;45506742]have a heart and put your gun down when burglar begs for his life. Burglar or partner pulls there own gun a shoots you. lol cool now no witnesses.[/QUOTE] good job making up scenarios to fulfill your sick revenge fantasies next time someone does wrong to me, i'll make sure i kill them because i don't know if his friend is nearby to kill me
If I attack you and you pull out a gun is it OK to chase me down and kill me? What if I'm begging for my life?
[QUOTE=lolwutdude;45506771] next time someone does wrong to me, i'll make sure i kill them because i don't know if his friend is nearby to kill me[/QUOTE] Maybe they aren't Maybe they are. Its 2-3am you were woken up to the sound of someone in your house. You have no idea who these people are and what they are about. Most-likely tweakers who have been up for days. Your seriously a tard. Go ahead and justify yourself as the "good guy" You'll be that guy on the news who was killed by intruders.
[QUOTE=Mudbone;45506811]Maybe they aren't Maybe they are. Its 2-3am you were woken up to the sound of someone in your house. You have no idea who these people are and what they are about. Most-likely tweakers who have been up for days. Your seriously a tard. Go ahead and justify yourself as the "good guy" You'll be that guy on the news who was killed by intruders.[/QUOTE] read the article [quote]"She says, 'Don't shoot me, I'm pregnant! I'm going to have a baby!' And I shot her anyway," he told NBC. "She was dead. I shot her twice, she best be dead. He had run off and left her. I shot her so that's going to leave a message on his mind for the rest of his life."[/quote] you're glorifying this dude for no other reason other than to justify revenge fantasies at this point if he shot her because he saw a sudden movement from her, i'd understand if he shot her cause he heard a noise around him which startled him, then he pulled the trigger,i'd understand if he shot anyone in that situation when they were remotely a threat, i'd understand he literally confessed that he executed that surrendering woman just to send a "fuck you" to the other guy what is wrong with you, stop adding false elements pls
[QUOTE=lolwutdude;45506862]read the article you're glorifying this dude for no other reason other than to justify revenge fantasies at this point if he shot her because he saw a sudden movement from her, i'd understand if he shot her cause he heard a noise around him which startled him, then he pulled the trigger,i'd understand if he shot anyone in that situation when they were remotely a threat, i'd understand he literally confessed that he executed that surrendering woman just to send a "fuck you" to the other guy what is wrong with you, stop adding false elements pls[/QUOTE] Oh well. Maybe the more times this happens the less people who will break into houses. The gun ownership rate here in Washington is so high and we also have our own stand your ground law. Its almost 50/50 you will be shot breaking into peoples home. So guess what it does not happen around here.
[QUOTE=Mudbone;45506883]Oh well. Maybe the more times this happens the less people who will break into houses. The gun ownership rate here in Washington is so high and we also have our own stand your ground law. Its almost 50/50 you will be shot breaking into peoples home. So guess what it does not happen around here.[/QUOTE] This will just encourage more criminals to carry arms when committing offenses, genius.
old man protecting the homeland, one pregnant woman at a time
[QUOTE=Zonesylvania;45506895]This will just encourage more criminals to carry arms when committing offenses, genius.[/QUOTE] and then people will just be shot in their own homes instead it's literally a case of "violence responding to violence" being NOT OK
[QUOTE=Mudbone;45506883]Oh well. Maybe the more times this happens the less people who will break into houses. The gun ownership rate here in Washington is so high and we also have our own stand your ground law. Its almost 50/50 you will be shot breaking into peoples home. So guess what it does not happen around here.[/QUOTE] lmao get a load of this guy
[QUOTE=J!NX;45506922]and then people will just be shot in their own homes instead it's literally a case of "violence responding to violence" being NOT OK[/QUOTE] A murder + robbery does carry a lot longer prison sentence.
[QUOTE=itisjuly;45506951]A murder + robbery does carry a lot longer prison sentence.[/QUOTE] since when have long prison sentences ever dissuaded desperate people, though? or any sentence, for that matter?
I dont want to say this but you risk of getting shot if you break into someones house. Shooting someone cold blooded is horrible though.
[QUOTE=Mudbone;45506883]Oh well. Maybe the more times this happens the less people who will break into houses. The gun ownership rate here in Washington is so high and we also have our own stand your ground law. Its almost 50/50 you will be shot breaking into peoples home. So guess what it does not happen around here.[/QUOTE] So human life is an acceptable price to pay in order to protect material possessions? And the more human life we destroy, the more possessions we protect? I mean, I know these guys assaulted the homeowner and robbed him, they're not exactly shining examples of good will. But you seriously think that reduces their lives to bargaining chips? Killing someone to send a message, that's action move villain stuff.
[QUOTE=Zonesylvania;45506961]since when have long prison sentences ever dissuaded desperate people, though? or any sentence, for that matter?[/QUOTE] I got no source but quite a few armed robberies are just scare tactics where criminal won't actually use their arms if victim refuses to comply. Most robberies are not worth a murder since if you get caught after a robbery you still have a chance of seeing sunlight outside bars.
Legal murder, woo!
[QUOTE=itisjuly;45507003]I got no source but quite a few armed robberies are just scare tactics where criminal won't actually use their arms if victim refuses to comply. Most robberies are not worth a murder since if you get caught after a robbery you still have a chance of seeing sunlight outside bars.[/QUOTE] True, but if a burglar panics and seriously injures or kills a homeowner/inmate in a home invasion, there's still not going to be any mitigation according to the law books for the most part, not if the prosecution will have anything to do with it.
[QUOTE=Zonesylvania;45506961]since when have long prison sentences ever dissuaded desperate people, though? or any sentence, for that matter?[/QUOTE] I guess they don't keep stats on people that admit to police they were going to do something bad in desperation, but didn't because of the risk of a long jail time.
[QUOTE=Zonesylvania;45506895]This will just encourage more criminals to carry arms when committing offenses, genius.[/QUOTE] What do you purpose. I'm not for putting restrictions on homeowners on how to respond when someone breaks into their house. Also no it wont encourage criminals to carry guns. Maybe getting some stuff worth a few dollars vs possibly being killed.
[QUOTE=Zonesylvania;45506651]The homeowner's commission of the shooting still amounts to second degree murder. But the thief shouldn't have tried to steal in the first place either, because if you try to steal from somebody, you run the very real risk of being hurt or killed if the owners try to defend their property.[/QUOTE] I highly doubt he's gonna get any more than 11 years on a manslaughter charge, with all the evidence displayed the homeowner should be able to get the charges knocked down from 2nd degree murder.
[QUOTE=Tsyolin;45507499]I highly doubt he's gonna get any more than 11 years on a manslaughter charge, with all the evidence displayed the homeowner should be able to get the charges knocked down from 2nd degree murder.[/QUOTE]He is 80 years old, any prison sentence will have a huge chance of him dying there.
If he caught her in the alley at gunpoint he should have held her there until the cops showed up. I'm assuming he didn't call before he left the house but he could have shouted until a neighbor heard him so he could have them call them. Call me crazy but it strikes me as a bit cold-blooded for him to follow them out in the alley off of his property in order to murder one of them to send a message to the other. Doesn't matter how short the fucking chase is, he still chased them down and killed them like some vigilante cowboy, which is not how things work. If they were still in the home and he whipped a gun on them inside his house and they didn't yield that's another story, but they were on the retreat and he fucking executed (one of) them.
[QUOTE=hippowombat;45507754]If he caught her in the alley at gunpoint he should have held her there until the cops showed up. I'm assuming he didn't call before he left the house but he could have shouted until a neighbor heard him so he could have them call them. Call me crazy but it strikes me as a bit cold-blooded for him to follow them out in the alley off of his property in order to murder one of them to send a message to the other. Doesn't matter how short the fucking chase is, he still chased them down and killed them like some vigilante cowboy, which is not how things work. If they were still in the home and he whipped a gun on them inside his house and they didn't yield that's another story, but they were on the retreat and he fucking executed (one of) them.[/QUOTE] It doesn't seem like it was the victim was cornered in a dark alley way begging for her life and the homeowner just shot her twice; it seems more that the both of the robbers were fleeing and she was saying this while running away (the homeowner shot at them once when they were still inside the home, which is what caused them to run), being that the victim was reportedly shot twice in the back.
He shouldn't have killed her. She surrendered and was trying to get away, but he straight out murdered her and her child. That's just evil on all accounts. Whenever I hear shit like this, I think of the alternate reality where she atones for her crimes, and works her way to becoming a good mother. I've seen it happen. And that child... another life full of potential wasted just because someone had a lust for blood. Everyone approving of the guy's actions make me sick. Seriously, what is wrong with you people? Too much focus on punishment, not enough on rehabilitation. Everyone's perfectly fine when criminals are sent to die or be tortured or raped. They completely dehumanize them, forget that they're capable of being reformed... and that just leads to more violence and crime.
[QUOTE=Alonguy;45509768]He shouldn't have killed her. She surrendered and was trying to get away, but he straight out murdered her and her child. That's just evil on all accounts. Whenever I hear shit like this, I think of the alternate reality where she atones for her crimes, and works her way to becoming a good mother. I've seen it happen. And that child... another life full of potential wasted just because someone had a lust for blood. Everyone approving of the guy's actions make me sick. Seriously, what is wrong with you people? Too much focus on punishment, not enough on rehabilitation. Everyone's perfectly fine when criminals are sent to die or be tortured or raped. They completely dehumanize them, forget that they're capable of being reformed... and that just leads to more violence and crime.[/QUOTE] actually she was totally lying about that still fucked up though I really doubt she would be able to keep a child regardless, or be a good mother
[QUOTE=Alonguy;45509768]He shouldn't have killed her. She surrendered and was trying to get away, but he straight out murdered her and her child. That's just evil on all accounts. Whenever I hear shit like this, I think of the alternate reality where she atones for her crimes, and works her way to becoming a good mother. I've seen it happen. And that child... another life full of potential wasted just because someone had a lust for blood. Everyone approving of the guy's actions make me sick. Seriously, what is wrong with you people? Too much focus on punishment, not enough on rehabilitation. Everyone's perfectly fine when criminals are sent to die or be tortured or raped. They completely dehumanize them, forget that they're capable of being reformed... and that just leads to more violence and crime.[/QUOTE] It's noble to believe everyone can be rehabilitated, to believe that everyone should get a second or third or fourth or fifth chance. We have to be realistic though. There IS such a thing as habitual criminals. There is also such a thing as crimes that really, really piss people off. That's why if you're a habitual criminal caught committing a crime that is really, really pissing someone off and you get wasted by the victim, don't look for sympathy from those of us who are sick of that shit.
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