this is why you shouldn't give people the power to take a life so easily
the fact that he got away with it is disgusting
You guys know that her pregnancy is still unconfirmed?
Not saying shooting someone is better if they're not pregnant, this guy is still a fucking nut case.
[QUOTE=Juniez;45489418]there is nothing to approve because you don't have a stance an you have nothing to argue because you have no opinion on the matter - and yet you still pick fights over mundane specifics anyways
talk about shitposting, right?[/QUOTE]
You seem upset that I'm simply not in full agreement with your own opinion, saying I don't have an opinion when I'm clearly bringing it out is pretty fucking delusional and this passive-aggressive behavior really doesn't give you a trustworthy connection with your opinion that anyone is a psycho if they don't see wrong in how a robber risking their lives was killed committing a crime.
But it's OK, I'm used to this subforum's shenanigans.
there is an extremely large difference between defending yourself in your own home and going after someone and gunning them down as they plead for their life. there is no way of justifying this.
[QUOTE=outlawpickle;45489390]Its no use. Anything other than blatant outrage is not tolerated by some on FP and they're very vocal about it. Any attempted rationalizing of a murder immediately qualifies you as a gun-toting psychopath who carries a Castle Doctrine pamphlet in their back pocket.[/QUOTE]He chased the thieves down, at the point when they posed [B]no physical threat to him whatsoever[/B] (fleeing immediately when he brought a gun to bear), and shot one of them. She made no aggressive gesture at that point, and he still shot her. In what imaginary universe is that justified?
This whole fucked situation could've been prevented with a citizens arrest (which is legal in Los Angeles) at gunpoint. That dude is probably the kinda of psycho that thinks his gun makes him an action hero.
[QUOTE=Gwoodman;45489469]You seem upset that I'm simply not in full agreement with your own opinion, saying I don't have an opinion when I'm clearly bringing it out is pretty fucking delusional and this passive-aggressive behavior really doesn't give you a trustworthy connection with your opinion that anyone is a psycho if they don't see wrong in how a robber risking their lives was killed committing a crime.
But it's OK, I'm used to this subforum's shenanigans.[/QUOTE]
beep boop empathy boards need replacing
[quote]"She says, 'Don't shoot me, I'm pregnant! I'm going to have a baby!' [B]And I shot her anyway[/B]," he told NBC.
"[B]She was dead. I shot her twice, she best be dead[/B]. He had run off and left her[/quote]
This is just straight up murder: he had the choice of apprehending her, phoning the police and letting them deal with it but he pretty much executed her. There's no possible way to rationalise this, Stand Your Ground doesn't matter because he wasn't defending anything, he was outside of his house and she wasn't attacking him.
Yeah, it's shitty that she was robbing his house but that doesn't mean she deserved to die.
[QUOTE=s5300;45489198]This was a good doing for the world. If she was in fact pregnant it just gets rid of one more future thug-bitch out there. Anybody who thinks differently really needs a reality check. Anybody who's pregnant shouldn't be breaking in to somebodies home with their gangster boyfriend.[/QUOTE]
what the fuck?
[editline]24th July 2014[/editline]
are some people in this thread legit robots? where are your senses of empathy
[QUOTE=Gwoodman;45489469]You seem upset that I'm simply not in full agreement with your own opinion, saying I don't have an opinion when I'm clearly bringing it out is pretty fucking delusional and this passive-aggressive behavior really doesn't give you a trustworthy connection with your opinion that anyone is a psycho if they don't see wrong in how a robber risking their lives was killed committing a crime.
But it's OK, I'm used to this subforum's shenanigans.[/QUOTE]
your only statement (not an opinion, this is a fact) is 'there are risks associated with crime' to which anyone with half a brain would resoundingly reply-
'no fucking shit'
now if you want to take it a step above and make your own judgement on say... whether that justifies anything, that's up to you. but what you're doing right now is just yelling at everyone about things they already know
[QUOTE=outlawpickle;45489390]Its no use. Anything other than blatant outrage is not tolerated by some on FP and they're very vocal about it. Any attempted rationalizing of a murder immediately qualifies you as a gun-toting psychopath who carries a Castle Doctrine pamphlet in their back pocket.[/QUOTE]
you can't rationalise straight up murder in the first place. in what little word are cold blooded murderers meant to be sympathised with for their actions?
[QUOTE=.Lain;45489519]what the fuck?
[editline]24th July 2014[/editline]
are some people in this thread legit robots? where are your senses of empathy[/QUOTE]
people who spend most of their time online than not tend to lose touch with reality
He shouldn't have admitted all of this. Now it is just going to be used against him.
I'm hoping that everyone here can agree on that the loss of a pregnant woman is a tragedy and that it's nothing to cheer over.
if you're not sure if the people trying to argue in the shooter's defense are a result of them not having any human contact for the last eight years, or if the castle defense laws just attract psychopaths, Facepunch has you covered: it's both
[QUOTE=Juniez;45489546]your only statement is 'there are risks associated with crime' to which anyone with half a brain would resoundingly reply-
'no fucking shit'
now if you want to take it a step above and make your own judgement on say... whether that justifies anything, that's up to you. but what you're doing right now is just yelling at everyone about things they already know[/QUOTE]
Understood, sorry, I'll try not to repeat it.
[QUOTE=Gwoodman;45489384]I'm not brushing it off when again, I think the old man shouldn't have killed her BUT when you rob someone's home, it's [I]not in [B][U]my[/U][/B] power[/I] to prevent [I][U]them[/U][/I] from shooting the criminal.[/QUOTE]
well [I]duuuuuuuuuuuh[/I]
none of your posts make any fucking sense, you make a big deal about your [I]opinion~~~[/I] but you don't think it's ok for you to say he shouldn't have killed her
[QUOTE=Gwoodman;45489384]I think the old man shouldn't have killed her[/QUOTE]
ohhh :downs:
[QUOTE=gk99;45489446]And I can understand chasing after her to stop her and maybe make sure she didn't have any of your shit, but seriously, if he's going to fire, fire upon legs.[/QUOTE]
That's not as safe as it sounds, dude.
Ever heard of the femoral artery. Its pressure is second to the aorta.
[QUOTE=Ajacks;45489409]The home owner was totally out of line and should be charged, but to think that breaking into someones home isn't a life threatening situation is ridiculous. Where I live it is a safe assumption that breaking and entering into someones home is a coin-flip for your life. I don't have a whole hell of a lot of sympathy for thieves.[/QUOTE]
It's a life threatening scenario whilst they are in the house and attacking him, and if they were shot during then, he'd be acting well within his rights to defend himself.
When they ran away and he chased one down outside his property and then shot them after they surrendered, then it's passed from life threatening for him to flat out murder. I'm all for legal ownership and usage of guns for self defence, but he went from defence to offence when he left his property.
[QUOTE=Saturn V;45489593]That's not as safe as it sounds, dude.
Ever heard of the femoral artery. Its pressure is second to the aorta.[/QUOTE]
It's relatively safer than aiming at her torso, regardless of the fact that she might have been pregnant.
If he isn't arrested for murder I hope someone caves his head in with a baseball bat.
[QUOTE=Cone;45489569]if you're not sure if the people trying to argue in the shooter's defense are a result of them not having any human contact for the last eight years, or if the castle defense laws just attract psychopaths, Facepunch has you covered: it's both[/QUOTE]
as soon as the people fled the homes it was no longer covered under castle doctrine, and even then you have to have been defending against a threat - the only thing the castle doctrine says is 'you don't have to run away if it's your own home'
[QUOTE=Saturn V;45489593]That's not as safe as it sounds, dude.
Ever heard of the femoral artery. Its pressure is second to the aorta.[/QUOTE]
+ there is never a (legal) justification for shooting to wound
everything the old dude did after walking out of his home with a gun was stupid and illegal
[QUOTE=The_J_Hat;45489611]It's relatively safer than aiming at her torso, regardless of the fact that she might have been pregnant.[/QUOTE]
if you want 'safe' then don't use a gun
[QUOTE=Cone;45489569]if you're not sure if the people trying to argue in the shooter's defense are a result of them not having any human contact for the last eight years, or if the castle defense laws just attract psychopaths, Facepunch has you covered: it's both[/QUOTE]
Isn't your country the one where burglars can sue homeowners for injuring themselves inside homes that they break into?
There seems to be quite a lot of context missing from this discussion:
[quote=The Article]
Neighbours say Mr Greer had been the victim of numerous burglaries before.
Mr Greer, who required hospital treatment for injuries to his shoulder, told NBC that the same couple had robbed him on two previous occasions.
[/quote]
Not that it makes what the homeowner did is right. It does, at least to me, make it much more understandable why he took the action he did at that moment in time.
[QUOTE=Terminutter;45489610]It's a life threatening scenario whilst they are in the house and attacking him, and if they were shot during then, he'd be acting well within his rights to defend himself.
When they ran away and he chased one down outside his property and then shot them after they surrendered, then it's passed from life threatening for him to flat out murder. I'm all for legal ownership and usage of guns for self defence, but he went from defence to offence when he left his property.[/QUOTE]
Which is what I said, in many less words. I was just saying it's a dangerous game going onto peoples property to steal.
[QUOTE=The_J_Hat;45489611]It's relatively safer than aiming at her torso, regardless of the fact that she might have been pregnant.[/QUOTE]
You can't really shoot a person at all without having a big chance of the shot person dying.
But really though, what were they thinking, having a pregnant woman being a part of a burglary? Overall, breaking into a house is really stupid, but doing it while pregnant? Christ man
And as for the guy who did the killing. I can't really say it's stupid, more like really fucked up. To shoot twice to confirm you'll carry the cross of homicide for the rest of your days.
[QUOTE=seano12;45489629]Isn't your country the one where burglars can sue homeowners for injuring themselves inside homes that they break into?[/QUOTE]
Isn't your country the one where a home owner can shoot a pregnant woman who surrendered outside of his own property and not get arrested?
[QUOTE=Thlis;45489657]Isn't your country the one where a home owner can shoot a pregnant woman who surrendered outside of his own property and not get arrested?[/QUOTE]
They're still conducting the investigation of course, so have some patience.
The old man will probably be charged with murder. What a fucking idiot he is.
[QUOTE=DaMastez;45489630]There seems to be quite a lot of context missing from this discussion:
Not that it makes what the homeowner did is right. It does, at least to me, make it much more understandable why he took the action he did at that moment in time.[/QUOTE]
there's a ton of questions that i'll probably never have answered but;
why would you break into a home pregnant?
the pregnancy isn't confirmed yet, if it was, will we hear about it? (probably not)
why would you ditch your wife/girlfriend and kid?
of all things why would you gun down a pleading pregnant(?) woman in an alley behind your home?
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