[QUOTE=DaMastez;45489630]Not that it makes what the homeowner did is right. It does, at least to me, make it much more understandable why he took the action he did at that moment in time.[/QUOTE]
Oh no. We can't be reasonable and attempt to understand his actions (hint: that's all empathy is). We have to continue this parade of overemotional outrage like fanatics and condemn him and wish death upon him.
People here can't really stay level-headed and contain themselves, can they?
[QUOTE=Govna;45489697]Oh no. We can't be reasonable and attempt to understand his actions (hint: that's all empathy is). We have to continue this parade of overemotional outrage like fanatics and condemn him and wish death upon him.
People here can't really stay level-headed and contain themselves, can they?[/QUOTE]
He fucking shot a woman that surrendered and was pleading for her life.
[QUOTE=PredGD;45489104]I'm always torn when reading of stuff like this. on one hand, they did break into his house, but on the other hand, I don't think taking another persons life who doesn't fight back is justified, especially when pregnant.
I don't feel that anyone were right in this situation[/QUOTE]
Yeah well, guess what, if you go after someone on the street to shoot them in the face you're a twisted bastard, period.
She wasn't even in his house anymore for fucks sake, there's no moral ambiguity or anything, the guy just pursued her with the intent of murder.
[QUOTE=seano12;45489629]Isn't your country the one where burglars can sue homeowners for injuring themselves inside homes that they break into?[/QUOTE]
it's the one where we get arrested for shooting and killing pregnant women, yes. a distinction we proudly share with everywhere that isn't Somalia, Imperial-invaded Nanking, My Lai or apparently North America in 2014
[QUOTE=Thlis;45489708]He fucking shot a woman that surrendered and was pleading for her life.[/QUOTE]
This is all that is needed to be said about this, really.
[QUOTE=s5300;45489198]This was a good doing for the world. If she was in fact pregnant it just gets rid of one more future thug-bitch out there. Anybody who thinks differently really needs a reality check. Anybody who's pregnant shouldn't be breaking in to somebodies home with their gangster boyfriend.[/QUOTE]
holy shit this post actually has a decent number of agrees
[QUOTE=Govna;45489697]Oh no. We can't be reasonable and attempt to understand his actions (hint: that's all empathy is). We have to continue this parade of overemotional outrage like fanatics and condemn him and wish death upon him.
People here can't really stay level-headed and contain themselves, can they?[/QUOTE]
only people wishing death on anyone in this thread already got it granted
[QUOTE=DaMastez;45489630]There seems to be quite a lot of context missing from this discussion:
Not that it makes what the homeowner did is right. It does, at least to me, make it much more understandable why he took the action he did at that moment in time.[/QUOTE]
This reminds me of the other old man who was a Nam Vet or something like that, who had set up an ambush in his basement. Two kids came into his house, and when the first one went into the basement, he popped the boy in the chest, and dragged this young mans dead body towards the back wall which was viewable from the door. After which the other kid, who was the boys girlfriend, came down and was trying to figure out what had happened, and once she could see her friend from the 2nd step, the man shot her. The girl supposedly begged for her life, as the shot only managed to hit her in the shoulder or something along those lines. The guy laughed and put a bullet between her eyes.
The most horrifying thing about this story is not the fact he set up an ambush, not the fact he killed two kids in said ambush, or executed one of them... No. The most horrifying thing was that he actually was laughing about the girls last words, when she begged for her life.
[QUOTE=Zukriuchen;45489738]holy shit this post actually has a decent number of agrees[/QUOTE]Welcome to Facepunch. Self-delusion about the quality of posting here is a speciality.
[QUOTE=Cone;45489731]it's the one where we get arrested for shooting and killing pregnant women, yes. a distinction we proudly share with everywhere that isn't Somalia, Imperial-invaded Nanking, My Lai or apparently northern America in 2014[/QUOTE]
Don't worry he'll get arrested. This is California we're talking about and we have strict rules when it comes to castle doctrine. Enough with your outlandish comparisons, and cease acting like he will not be arrested.
We don't even know if she was pregnant for sure, so stop assuming this was the case. I'd like to say she was lying, but we won't know until later.
[QUOTE=Thlis;45489708]He fucking shot a woman that surrendered and was pleading for her life.[/QUOTE]
If the couple had robbed him twice in the past, then I can at least get an idea of what made him pull the trigger. Anger can make you do a lot of things.
Not that it justifies anything
[QUOTE=Sgt Doom;45489752]Welcome to Facepunch. Self-delusion about the quality of posting here is a speciality.[/QUOTE]
you know there's quite a few loonies here and there but this "welcome to facepunch" shit is getting real old, real fast.
it wasn't funny or witty the first time around, what makes you think it'll be funny the eighth around?
[QUOTE=Laferio;45489784]you know there's quite a few loonies here and there but this "welcome to facepunch" shit is getting real old, real fast.
it wasn't funny or witty the first time around, what makes you think it'll be funny the eighth around?[/QUOTE]
but its true
Is it at least OK for me to say that at least the old man didn't catch and killed both of them? Assuming he probably would have done this if he managed to catch up to them together.
[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;45489750]This reminds me of the other old man who was a Nam Vet or something like that, who had set up an ambush in his basement. Two kids came into his house, and when the first one went into the basement, he popped the boy in the chest, and dragged this young mans dead body towards the back wall which was viewable from the door. After which the other kid, who was the boys girlfriend, came down and was trying to figure out what had happened, and once she could see her friend from the 2nd step, the man shot her. The girl supposedly begged for her life, as the shot only managed to hit her in the shoulder or something along those lines. The guy laughed and put a bullet between her eyes.
The most horrifying thing about this story is not the fact he set up an ambush, not the fact he killed two kids in said ambush, or executed one of them... No. The most horrifying thing was that he actually was laughing about the girls last words, when she begged for her life.[/QUOTE]
What did happen to that guy? I sure hope they locked him up for life because that is the start of a serial killer if I've ever seen one.
[QUOTE=Sharker;45489800]What did happen to that guy? I sure hope they locked him up for life because that is the start of a serial killer if I've ever seen one.[/QUOTE]
Yes he got locked up for life pretty much.
This thread is literally just people shitting opinions at each other. We honestly don't even know enough to say what happened.
1. How do yous know he "chased" her onto the street. The source clearly says ALLEYWAY. Many houses have an alleyway directly behind them, it's possible he shot her from his garden as they both tried to escape around the back.
2. She might not have even been pregnant.
I'm not defending the guy, but a lot of yous are acting like this 80 year old guy woke up one morning, armed himself to the teeth and thought "I really want to kill a pregnant woman today". The heat of the moment may have made things get out of control, especially since it states he got a shoulder injury, there may have been a struggle.
I honestly hope he gets charged for this shit
[QUOTE=seano12;45489763]Don't worry he'll get arrested. This is California we're talking about and we have strict rules when it comes to castle doctrine. Enough with your outlandish comparisons, and cease acting like he will not be arrested.[/QUOTE]
i know right who would think that this guy could possibly be dangerous enough to arrest as soon as the police were told that he double-tapped a pregnant woman to mentally scar and manipulate her partner as repayment for some stolen items and [I]shoulder damage[/I]. you're off the hook for now you upstanding example of mental health you
[QUOTE=Thlis;45489708]He fucking shot a woman that surrendered and was pleading for her life.[/QUOTE]
After she and her thug guy friend broke into his house, stole shit out of it, pushed him down the floor, and only decided it was a good time to bail the fuck out of there when he pulled a gun and showed them he'd had enough of them. After a string of burglaries hit the area, and after the old man had apparently already been the victim of several burglaries. Who knows what they would have done to him if he hadn't had a gun.
Sorry, but I can't see why I should be feeling particularly bad for her here. I'm neither happy nor sad she's dead; I simply do not care about people who start this sort of bullshit in the first place.
[QUOTE=Gentry;45489791]but its true[/QUOTE]
just because you CAN say it doesn't mean you should; stupid batshit loonies get banned eventually anyways.
it wasn't funny the first time around and it literally contributes [I]nothing[/I] to the thread other than making you look like a massive tool. if you want to bathe in your own shit and piss then join that club.
[QUOTE=Govna;45489834]After she and her thug guy friend broke into his house, stole shit out of it, pushed him down the floor, and only decided it was a good time to bail the fuck out of there when he pulled a gun and showed them he'd had enough of them. After a string of burglaries hit the area, and after the old man had apparently already been the victim of several burglaries. Who knows what they would have done to him if he hadn't had a gun.
Sorry, but I can't see why I should be feeling particularly bad for her here. I'm neither happy nor sad she's dead; I simply do not care about people who start this sort of bullshit in the first place.[/QUOTE]
By your logic we should just shoot POWs.
[QUOTE=axelord157;45489261]Call me callous, but this post is spot on. Somebody who is robbing houses should not have children.[/QUOTE]
This just in: people in crushing and utter poverty can't have children.
[QUOTE=Cone;45489831]i know right who would think that this guy could possibly be dangerous enough to arrest as soon as the police were told that he double-tapped a pregnant woman to mentally scar and manipulate her partner as repayment for some stolen items and [I]shoulder damage[/I]. you're off the hook for now you upstanding example of mental health you[/QUOTE]
"Pregnant". Like I stated earlier I believe she lied, but until an autopsy is performed or something comes up to confirm that this woman was indeed pregnant nobody knows for sure. I don't know why they didn't arrest him immediately, but it hasn't been long since the incident took place and he's an 80 year old man. Not exactly the most dangerous person in the world mind you. They probably took his weapon too since it is evidence.
[QUOTE=Ninja Gnome;45489743]only people wishing death on anyone in this thread already got it granted[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Grimhound;45489622]If he isn't arrested for murder I hope someone caves his head in with a baseball bat.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Govna;45489834]After she and her thug guy friend broke into his house, stole shit out of it, pushed him down the floor, and only decided it was a good time to bail the fuck out of there when he pulled a gun and showed them he'd had enough of them. After a string of burglaries hit the area, and after the old man had apparently already been the victim of several burglaries. Who knows what they would have done to him if he hadn't had a gun.
Sorry, but I can't see why I should be feeling particularly bad for her here. I'm neither happy nor sad she's dead; I simply do not care about people who start this sort of bullshit in the first place.[/QUOTE]Nobody's expecting you to shed a tear for her, but shooting someone who's clearly already surrendered and is no longer a physical threat is fucked up.
[QUOTE=Thlis;45489853]By your logic we should just shoot POWs.[/QUOTE]
How the fuck does that equate to killing POWs. Not all soldiers are killers you know.
[QUOTE=Govna;45489834]Who knows what they would have done to him if he hadn't had a gun.[/QUOTE]
that is not relevant because he did have a gun, and they did run away. the only thing he should've done is call 911
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[QUOTE=Duskin;45489874]How the fuck does that equate to killing POWs. Not all soldiers are killers you know.[/QUOTE]
How does killing someone that surrendered equate to killing someone that surrendered.
I am not sure, I will have to think on that.
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