the fact that we don't [I]know[/I] she was pregnant has nothing to do with anything. she said that she was pregnant and he was apparently perfectly willing to take that risk if it meant killing a burglar who was trying to run away from him
He might be charged but good luck convicting him. 80 years old, and injured by these people who have robbed him more than once? If I was on the jury I'd vote not guilty. He did everyone a favor.
[QUOTE=Thlis;45489853]By your logic we should just shoot POWs.[/QUOTE]
Explain how you came to that brilliant conclusion.
[QUOTE=Govna;45489834]After she and her thug guy friend broke into his house, stole shit out of it, pushed him down the floor, and only decided it was a good time to bail the fuck out of there when he pulled a gun and showed them he'd had enough of them. After a string of burglaries hit the area, and after the old man had apparently already been the victim of several burglaries. Who knows what they would have done to him if he hadn't had a gun.
Sorry, but I can't see why I should be feeling particularly bad for her here. I'm neither happy nor sad she's dead; I simply do not care about people who start this sort of bullshit in the first place.[/QUOTE]
if the gun scared them away then it had done its job. any more, especially going after someone as they are fleeing and shooting them is fucking crazy
[QUOTE=Cone;45489892]the fact that we don't [I]know[/I] she was pregnant has nothing to do with anything. she said that she was pregnant and he was apparently perfectly willing to take that risk if it meant killing a burglar who was trying to run away from him[/QUOTE]
i think people are putting too much emphasis on the assumption(?) that she was pregnant tbh
[QUOTE=Ganerumo;45489729]Yeah well, guess what, if you go after someone on the street to shoot them in the face you're a twisted bastard, period.
She wasn't even in his house anymore for fucks sake, there's no moral ambiguity or anything, the guy just pursued her with the intent of murder.[/QUOTE]
I honestly don't want to jump to conclusions like that. it's important to remember the heat of the moment and the past events the guy has been through as well.
he had been robbed twice earlier by the same couple and they had been going through houses in the neighborhood for a while, so it's understandable the guy had a lot of built up hatred for them. it doesn't make it okay to kill anyone, but it does make it easier to understand. to top that, they did knock him down on the floor, so if you're pissed and you manage to get your gun, nothing good ever happens.
yet again, I don't support his actions at all. I don't feel it's justified to kill a person regardless of the situation, but I do have an understanding of why he did as he did with the knowledge I have on the situation
Wow, didn't know we had that many psychopaths on FP.
[QUOTE=PredGD;45489915]I honestly don't want to jump to conclusions like that. it's important to remember the heat of the moment and the past events the guy has been through as well.
he had been robbed twice earlier by the same couple and they had been going through houses in the neighborhood for a while, so it's understandable the guy had a lot of built up hatred for them. it doesn't make it okay to kill anyone, but it does make it easier to understand. to top that, they did knock him down on the floor, so if you're pissed and you manage to get your gun, nothing good ever happens.
yet again, I don't support his actions at all. I don't feel it's justified to kill a person regardless of the situation, but I do have an understanding of why he did as he did with the knowledge I have on the situation[/QUOTE]
Well he clearly doesn't regret it.
[QUOTE=Mingebox;45489927]Wow, didn't know we had that many psychopaths on FP.[/QUOTE]
You and ten other posters have already stated this. Leave it at rest.
[QUOTE=Laferio;45489908]i think people are putting too much emphasis on the assumption(?) that she was pregnant tbh[/QUOTE]
seriously i want everyone to get into the actual mindset of the kind of person who immediately thinks "well she says she's pregnant [I]but that's clearly a trick![/I]"
if you find it's a lot like being a member of ISIS, or perhaps the kind of person who massacres Eastern European ethnicities, well done! you're not the kind of creepy robotic psychopath who defends this shit
[QUOTE=PredGD;45489915]I honestly don't want to jump to conclusions like that. it's important to remember the heat of the moment and the past events the guy has been through as well.
he had been robbed twice earlier by the same couple and they had been going through houses in the neighborhood for a while, so it's understandable the guy had a lot of built up hatred for them. it doesn't make it okay to kill anyone, but it does make it easier to understand. to top that, they did knock him down on the floor, so if you're pissed and you manage to get your gun, nothing good ever happens.
yet again, I don't support his actions at all. I don't feel it's justified to kill a person regardless of the situation, but I do have an understanding of why he did as he did with the knowledge I have on the situation[/QUOTE]
normal people are usually scared in "the heat of the moment"
and he had more than enough time to think about what he was doing, they had both left his house and he chased one of them down
reading through the posts here has put me on a legit downer
[QUOTE=Sgt Doom;45489869]Nobody's expecting you to shed a tear for her, but shooting someone who's clearly already surrendered and is no longer a physical threat is fucked up.[/QUOTE]
It's not that terribly difficult of a response to understand. The man is old, 80 to be exact. Nothing was mentioned about a wife or any family, so I'm guessing he lives alone. He has had stuff stolen from him before. This burglary involved the perpetrators pushing him down as they ransacked his house. I'd imagine he's two things by that point: angry first off, and scared.
It's not terribly hard to see why this ended badly for the burglar. Nor should you all be so emotional about it to the point where you're hoping someone beats the old man to death.
[QUOTE=Cone;45489954]seriously i want everyone to get into the actual mindset of the kind of person who immediately thinks "well she says she's pregnant [I]but that's clearly a trick![/I]"
if you find it's a lot like being a member of ISIS, or perhaps the kind of person who massacres Eastern European ethnicities, well done! you're not the kind of creepy robotic psychopath who defends this shit[/QUOTE]
regardless if she was pregnant or not, she surrendered and he shot her. then you take a look on the first page and somebody is saying stuff like "thug-bitch". sad ain't it?
[QUOTE=Sharker;45489928]Well he clearly doesn't regret it.[/QUOTE]
I can't really say anything on that. I'm sure if someones hate for someone or something is big enough, chances are regret won't be present in the aftermath.
or he could be cold, which is why I want to remain neutral. I really don't know what's going on in a 80 year old guys head who has gone through this a few times in the past, all I can say is that I understand or don't understand.
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[QUOTE=Zukriuchen;45489964]normal people are usually scared in "the heat of the moment"
and he had more than enough time to think about what he was doing, they had both left his house and he chased one of them down[/QUOTE]
I'd say it varies from person to person. flight or fight
[QUOTE=seano12;45489935]You and ten other posters have already stated this. Leave it at rest.[/QUOTE]
It bears repeating.
[QUOTE=Mingebox;45489983]It bears repeating.[/QUOTE]
Nah, you're just shitting up the thread and not offering anything new to the conversation.
[QUOTE=Duskin;45490008]Nah, you're just shitting up the thread and not offering anything new to the conversation.[/QUOTE]
When a large amount of the "conversation" consists of of people being morally repugnant, about the only venue for making progress is trying to get them to stop being morally repugnant.
Meh, she kind of signed up for getting shot when she robbed a house, pregnant or not. That said, that guy is in the wrong here for following her and shooting her when he was not in danger.
If you think it is okay for a man to kill an unarmed pregnant woman outside of his property, who was begging for her life, you are a fucking sick sociopath and I genuinely fear for your future.
[QUOTE=Govna;45489974]It's not that terribly difficult of a response to understand. The man is old, 80 to be exact. Nothing was mentioned about a wife or any family, so I'm guessing he lives alone. He has had stuff stolen from him before. This burglary involved the perpetrators pushing him down as they ransacked his house. I'd imagine he's two things by that point: angry first off, and scared.
It's not terribly hard to see why this ended badly for the burglar. Nor should you all be so emotional about it to the point where you're hoping someone beats the old man to death.[/QUOTE]
I agree with this completely. Besides, we don't even know HOW the burglars actually acted in the house. They could have acted extremely threatening, and then at the last moment when she realized she was fucked she tried to bargain with him.
The source also says they were unarmed, but they could have pushed him to the ground and threatened to shoot him or w/e. He doesn't know they're unarmed. Some of yous are acting like it was a 5 minute execution. The entire thing may have happened in like 5 seconds, he could have even shot her as she was speaking.
what a nice constructive thread we have going on in here
you people teeter on the edge of being fucking psychotic and should be thrown into a ward
My only issue with this was that he followed them out into the alley and killed her there. It doesn't seem like standing your ground if you're advancing and chasing them away with a gun and then killing them once they're already on the retreat.
Then again I wasn't there, nor do I know how I'd react in a situation like that. I'd [I]like [/I]to think that if I managed to scare two robbers from my home with a gun, I'd stay inside and wait for the cops to show up instead of chasing them down and murdering one of them. But as I've never been in this type of situation, I don't know that I would act with full rationale.
[QUOTE=Duskin;45490036]I agree with this completely. Besides, we don't even know HOW the burglars actually acted in the house. They could have acted extremely threatening, and then at the last moment when she realized she was fucked she tried to bargain with him.
The source also says they were unarmed, but they could have pushed him to the ground and threatened to shoot him or w/e. He doesn't know they're unarmed. Some of yous are acting like it was a 5 minute execution. The entire thing may have happened in like 5 seconds, he could have even shot her as she was speaking.[/QUOTE]
Well clearly it took long enough for him to "catch up" with her, listen to her beg for her life, and make a conscious decision to shoot her just to give the other burglar something to think about.
Eh...this woman seems pretty backwards.
I mean, she'd plea for her life due to her Pregnancy. Assuming she actually was.
But she's wasn't smart enough to not break the law or put her self in that sort of situation to begin with due to her pregnancy.
[QUOTE=Mingebox;45490114]Well clearly it took long enough for him to "catch up" with her, listen to her beg for her life, and make a conscious decision to shoot her just to give the other burglar something to think about.[/QUOTE]
As I said in another post, it's possible the house backed into an alley and he shot her from the bottom of his garden. She was probably shitting herself so she spoke extremely quickly. The entire thing probably lasted less than 5 seconds.
But you're right, it could have lasted several minutes, but I doubt it. Honestly, the only one who really knows is the old man. Given the situation though, it's more likely it was a split second decision.
[QUOTE=Oizen;45490128]Eh...this woman seems pretty backwards.
I mean, she'd plea for her life due to her Pregnancy. Assuming she actually was.
But she's wasn't smart enough to not break the law or put her self in that sort of situation to begin with due to her pregnancy.[/QUOTE]
I wouldn't call her backwards. when people end up in situations where they're certain something bad will happen, I wouldn't find it too weird to use anything at your disposal to get out of the situation, and here she most likely used the baby (if she was pregnant) as a way to hopefully get out of the situation
[QUOTE=PredGD;45490153]I wouldn't call her backwards. when people end up in situations where they're certain something bad will happen, I wouldn't find it too weird to use anything at your disposal to get out of the situation, and here she most likely used the baby (if she was pregnant) as a way to hopefully get out of the situation[/QUOTE]
Source says she helped rob this old guy on 2 other occasions. She's probably robbed several others.
You have to admit she's severely fucked up in the head for even putting herself in that situation while pregnant.
[QUOTE=PredGD;45490153]I wouldn't call her backwards. when people end up in situations where they're certain something bad will happen, I wouldn't find it too weird to use anything at your disposal to get out of the situation, and here she most likely used the baby (if she was pregnant) as a way to hopefully get out of the situation[/QUOTE]
If I was pregnant I wouldn't go robbing houses.
Well, I wouldn't go robbing houses normally but you get what Im saying right?
She put herself, and her baby in danger on her decision.
The homeowner didn't have to kill her, but I dont think he was entirely out of his rights.
If someone broke into my house like this I'd be pretty pissed.
[QUOTE=Oizen;45490180]If I was pregnant I wouldn't go robbing houses.
Well, I wouldn't go robbing houses normally but you get what Im saying right?
She put herself, and her baby in danger on her decision.
The homeowner didn't have to kill her, but I dont think he was entirely out of his rights.
If someone broke into my house like this I'd be pretty pissed.[/QUOTE]
of course, I wouldn't go rob houses either if I somehow got pregnant as a male, but that's not really what I wanted to say. it was a bad idea to go do it in the first place, but in the situation where she did end up at gunpoint, I wouldn't call it too weird to do as she did
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