you break into someones house, its nobodies fault but your own if you get shot
[QUOTE=Gentry;45489373]no but you brush it off with classic victim blaming
murder apologist[/QUOTE]
saying someone shouldnt break into a house is victim blaming?
[QUOTE=Bazsil;45490243]saying someone shouldnt break into a house is victim blaming?[/QUOTE]
saying its your fault if you get yourself murdered by a deranged old man after you've begged for your life then yeah, victim blaming.
[QUOTE=cecilbdemodded;45489894]He might be charged but good luck convicting him. 80 years old, and injured by these people who have robbed him more than once? If I was on the jury I'd vote not guilty. He did everyone a favor.[/QUOTE]
the way I see it, if you actually call firing at two unarmed people and shooting one in cold blooded murder "doing a favor" you're as sick in the head as the guy who did it to begin with
[QUOTE=Gentry;45490252]saying its your fault if you get yourself murdered by a deranged old man after you've begged for your life then yeah, victim blaming.[/QUOTE]
I didn't say she's to blame for getting murdered, but for committing a crime that has the risk of, but OK, sorry.
[QUOTE=Gwoodman;45490284]I didn't say she's to blame for getting murdered, but for committing a crime that has the risk of, but OK, sorry.[/QUOTE]
just like some people like to hawk on about rape victims wearing mini skirts and dumb shit like that
you're just interesting in creating noise distracting from the fact that this old man murdered someone straight up.
[QUOTE=Gentry;45490252]saying its your fault if you get yourself murdered by a deranged old man after you've begged for your life then yeah, victim blaming.[/quote]
Solution: don't break into people's houses, beat them up, and steal stuff from them.
The mental gymnastics you must go through to arrive at anything but this conclusion rivals Olympians.
[QUOTE=Gentry;45490306]just like some people like to hawk on about rape victims wearing mini skirts and dumb shit like that[/QUOTE]
Not comparable at all, but again, I apologize if you don't understand what I'm saying with my level of grammar. Complete misunderstanding, I'll give you all the right to comment on how much you oppose.
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[QUOTE]you're just interesting in creating noise distracting from the fact that this old man murdered someone straight up.[/QUOTE]
Now you're just making stuff up.
[QUOTE=Gwoodman;45490319]Not comparable at all, but again, I apologize if you don't understand what I'm saying with my level of grammar. Complete misunderstanding, I'll give you all the right to comment on how much you oppose.[/QUOTE]
You talk about grammar in paragraph with awful grammar :downs:
[QUOTE=Oizen;45490180]If I was pregnant I wouldn't go robbing houses.
Well, I wouldn't go robbing houses normally but you get what Im saying right?
She put herself, and her baby in danger on her decision.
The homeowner didn't have to kill her, but I dont think he was entirely out of his rights.
If someone broke into my house like this I'd be pretty pissed.[/QUOTE]
there is a difference between being pretty pissed and murdering someone
[QUOTE=Baron von Hax;45489118]And the baby got what it deserved too?[/QUOTE]
yes
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the answer to the question is yes
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[QUOTE=DeEz;45489455]this is why you shouldn't give people the power to take a life so easily
the fact that he got away with it is disgusting[/QUOTE]
more like, [I]hilarious[/I]
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[QUOTE=AJisAwesome15;45489332]haha who knew there were so many psychos on fp[/QUOTE]
I did!
is the answer to that question
This is a terrible misuse of a firearm. Regardless of what the people were doing by the time he had the gun they posed no threat to his life or well being. I hope he sees some jail time.
So, has it been confirmed that she was indeed pregnant?
Would that even change anything? I say the man fucked up hard for being so cruel; and the rationalization he comes up with for it is absolute shit. I'm surprised he actually said what he said and isn't arrested
Guy who ran was a coward if she was pregnant and he knew; but I don't even know if she actually was yet
[QUOTE=Hat-Wearing Man;45490259]the way I see it, if you actually call firing at two unarmed people and shooting one in cold blooded murder "doing a favor" you're as sick in the head as the guy who did it to begin with[/QUOTE]
"Doing a favor" refers to the fact that the people were/are scumbags. Breaking into houses and whatnot proves that.
The fact that this guy, per his own words, killed her in cold blood doesn't change that fact.
I wouldn't throw him prison for the same reason many on Facepunch are against long prison sentences and the US prison system in general- no chance for rehab. This is an 80 year old man, what good is throwing him in prison going to do for anyone? He's set in his ways, no one is going to change the way he thinks now.
The man did [I]nothing[/I] wrong at all. If you do something bad, just because you're pregnant or autistic or paraplegic doesn't mean you can get away with it. Regardless of being whatever, you still must pay for your actions.
[QUOTE=Thlis;45489657]Isn't your country the one where a home owner can shoot a pregnant woman who surrendered outside of his own property and not get arrested?[/QUOTE]
No. He'll be charged with murder, I guarantee it. There's no fucking way he can get away with this, it's textbook murder.
If not, then I will loose what little faith I have left in our broken law system.
[QUOTE=cecilbdemodded;45490586]"Doing a favor" refers to the fact that the people were/are scumbags. Breaking into houses and whatnot proves that.
The fact that this guy, per his own words, killed her in cold blood doesn't change that fact.
I wouldn't throw him prison for the same reason many on Facepunch are against long prison sentences and the US prison system in general- no chance for rehab. This is an 80 year old man, what good is throwing him in prison going to do for anyone? He's set in his ways, no one is going to change the way he thinks now.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Steve Stump;45490588]The man did [I]nothing[/I] wrong at all. If you do something bad, just because you're pregnant or autistic or paraplegic doesn't mean you can get away with it. Regardless of being whatever, you still must pay for your actions.[/QUOTE]
Shooting a person who surrendered and is begging for their life is, doing nothing wrong and is in fact doing a favor for everyone else.
[QUOTE=cecilbdemodded;45490586]"Doing a favor" refers to the fact that the people were/are scumbags. Breaking into houses and whatnot proves that.
The fact that this guy, per his own words, killed her in cold blood doesn't change that fact.
I wouldn't throw him prison for the same reason many on Facepunch are against long prison sentences and the US prison system in general- no chance for rehab. This is an 80 year old man, what good is throwing him in prison going to do for anyone? He's set in his ways, no one is going to change the way he thinks now.[/QUOTE]
So old people are allowed to get away with murder now?
Were they repeat offenders in his community? I can't imagine anyone turning into Dirty Harry from one incident.
[QUOTE=SexualShark;45490051]what a nice constructive thread we have going on in here
you people teeter on the edge of being fucking psychotic and should be thrown into a ward[/QUOTE]
It's easy to be mean behind a computer screen. Give them the benefit of the doubt and just ignore their posts.
[QUOTE=cecilbdemodded;45490586]"Doing a favor" refers to the fact that the people were/are scumbags. Breaking into houses and whatnot proves that.
The fact that this guy, per his own words, killed her in cold blood doesn't change that fact.
I wouldn't throw him prison for the same reason many on Facepunch are against long prison sentences and the US prison system in general- no chance for rehab. This is an 80 year old man, what good is throwing him in prison going to do for anyone? He's set in his ways, no one is going to change the way he thinks now.[/QUOTE]
the "he's an 80 year old" excuse does not work because this is an 80 year old who just killed someone, who's to say he's not going to do it again
Another shining example of why many people should not be allowed to own a gun.
[QUOTE=Zukriuchen;45490713]who's to say he's not going to do it again[/QUOTE]
The fact that he never did anything like this before, and the fact that he only did this after they started the altercation in the first place by breaking into his house, shoving him down onto the floor, before proceeding to steal stuff from him.
That's what.
[QUOTE=Zukriuchen;45490713]the "he's an 80 year old" excuse does not work because this is an 80 year old who just killed someone, who's to say he's not going to do it again[/QUOTE]
Tbh i dont think he has the energy to leave his house at 80 so if hes only killing people who try to physically incapacitate and rob him it's w.e.
[QUOTE=Karmah;45489084]The burglar got what she deserved. She was a terrible person to try to give herself immunity by using her baby as a human shield.[/QUOTE]
yea agreed i can't believe she had [I]the nerve[/I] to beg for her disgusting burglar life let alone use a baby for that
[QUOTE=Steve Stump;45490588]The man did [I]nothing[/I] wrong at all. If you do something bad, just because you're pregnant or autistic or paraplegic doesn't mean you can get away with it. Regardless of being whatever, you still must pay for your actions.[/QUOTE]
good to know you value objects over people's lives
the 80 year old is seriously at fault for killing someone while fleeing
but it the girl was really pregnant, i don't think she should be a burglar
home burglary can be really scary sometimes though, but it doesn't justify this
[QUOTE=Govna;45490756]The fact that he never did anything like this before, and the fact that he only did this after they started the altercation in the first place by breaking into his house, shoving him down onto the floor, before proceeding to steal stuff from him [b]and then run away, out of his house and into a back alley, where he followed one of them[/b]
[/QUOTE]
You kinda left out the most important part of this story
[QUOTE=Zukriuchen;45491030]You kinda left out the most important part of this story[/QUOTE]
No, the most relevant part is who holds responsibility. They started the entire thing, by breaking into this 80-year-old man's house in the first place to steal shit and shoving him around, and that's how simple it is. That's why this woman is dead, and there's no way around this fact.
Again, if you don't want to find yourself put into a situation where you'll be shot to death, don't put yourself in that situation to begin with, and then there will be no trouble. This is not a hard concept to grasp. Unless you have no common sense.
Why you people were in such an outrage earlier I have no idea. Suggesting that this guy should be beaten to death... yeah, sure, that makes a lot of fucking sense.
The old man shouldn't be completely disregarded and just let off, that's not what I'm saying, but he shouldn't be lynched either, and people need to get it through their heads that this woman wasn't a victim. It's fine to have empathy, but you also have to have enough sense to see who started what and was in the wrong in the first place.
[QUOTE=Govna;45491155]No, the most relevant part is who holds responsibility. They started the entire thing, by breaking into this 80-year-old man's house in the first place to steal shit and shoving him around, and that's how simple it is. That's why this woman is dead, and there's no way around this fact.
Again, if you don't want to find yourself put into a situation where you'll be shot to death, don't put yourself in that situation to begin with, and then there will be no trouble. This is not a hard concept to grasp. Unless you have no common sense.
Why you people were in such an outrage earlier I have no idea. Suggesting that this guy should be beaten to death... yeah, sure, that makes a lot of fucking sense.[/QUOTE]
Who do you think is responsible when a drunk women gets raped when she walks home through a bad part of town?
Apply your logic to that please.
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