Well that's just fucked up. I have nothing to say, just, holy shit what a screwball.
[QUOTE=Govna;45491155]No, the most relevant part is who holds responsibility. They started the entire thing, by breaking into this 80-year-old man's house in the first place to steal shit and shoving him around, and that's how simple it is. That's why this woman is dead, and there's no way around this fact.[/QUOTE]
The most relevant part is the fact that they were not a threat anymore. Why you're trying to justify shooting someone who had no way of harming him is beyond me.
[QUOTE=Gentry;45491194]Who do you think is responsible when a drunk women gets raped when she walks home through a bad part of town?
Apply your logic to that please.[/QUOTE]
Using rape as a comparable argument for murder is pretty cynical.
How does it even compare, the type of crime is completely different and applying sexual violation to your defense is scummy.
[QUOTE=Gentry;45491194]Who do you think is responsible when a drunk women gets raped when she walks home through a bad part of town?
Apply your logic to that please.[/QUOTE]
No, a better analogy would be raping someone who broke into your house. After all, if executed an unarmed, surrendering person is okay and not disproportion because they started it, what isn't?
[QUOTE=Gwoodman;45491266]Using rape as a comparable argument for murder is pretty cynical.[/QUOTE]
I'm not comparing murder and rape. I apologize if you don't understand what I'm saying with my level of grammar~
[editline]25th July 2014[/editline]
[QUOTE=Mingebox;45491307]No, a better analogy would be raping someone who broke into your house. After all, if executed an unarmed, surrendering person is okay and not disproportion because they started it, what isn't?[/QUOTE]
I'm not using an analogy. I'm legitimately asking him to follow his same logic path in other crimes and see if he's still comfortable in using it.
[QUOTE=Gentry;45491194]Who do you think is responsible when a drunk women gets raped when she walks home through a bad part of town?
Apply your logic to that please.[/quote]
How does your hypothetical scenario even compare here?
They are to blame. That's how simple it is. If they hadn't committed the crime in the first place, you know, breaking into this old guy's house, she wouldn't have gotten shot. End of discussion.
Should he have shot her? No. But that doesn't absolve what guilt they had either in being entirely responsible for causing this to happen, no matter how much you wish to the contrary.
Don't break into people's houses, don't steal from other people, don't assault other people, and you won't get shot. Simple.
[QUOTE=Govna;45491323]Don't break into people's houses, don't steal from other people, don't assault other people, and you won't get shot. Simple.[/QUOTE]
What do you think about people when they say to rape victims that they shouldn't get drunk with strangers.
[QUOTE=Karmah;45489084]The burglar got what she deserved. She was a terrible person to try to give herself immunity by using her baby as a human shield.
I'm not saying the baby got what it deserved, just the parent. You don't use your children as a shield.
This type of response from the homeowner should be expected.
He didn't know if they had guns, plus he can stand his ground according to US laws.[/QUOTE]
man, hows it feel to be a heartless bastard?
[QUOTE=Karmah;45489211]The baby didn't have feelings.
Sure it's sad, but the parent's shouldn't have robbed with the intention of using their own children as a means to protect themselves.
[B]You protect your children, not conceive them to be [/B][B]Kevlar[/B][/QUOTE]
yeah because gunning them down totally is the right thing
all she did was rob the place, she EASILY could have been stopped and NOT you know, killed. She was a danger to no one at all. If you actually believe it's OK to kill people like that then I'd really hate to accidentally step into your yard.
you do realize the baby would have died too right? Or are you just actually this careless?
[QUOTE=Gentry;45491312]I'm not comparing murder and rape. I apologize if you don't understand what I'm saying with my level of grammar~
[editline]25th July 2014[/editline]
I'm not using an analogy. I'm legitimately asking him to follow his same logic path in other crimes and see if he's still comfortable in using it.[/QUOTE]
I'm agreeing with you, you tit. I'm just making a more accurate parallel to their logic in which somebody who starts something deserves any and all retribution.
[QUOTE=Gentry;45491332]What do you think about people when they say to rape victims that they shouldn't get drunk with strangers.[/QUOTE]
Bringing up rape discussion to a murder situation without any rape involved is a plausible argument :rolleyes:
they're not analogies lmao
[editline]25th July 2014[/editline]
[QUOTE=Gwoodman;45491354]Bringing up rape discussion to a murder situation without any rape involved is a plausible argument :rolleyes:[/QUOTE]
Why is victim blaming allowed in tresspass but not rape?
[QUOTE=ilikecorn;45491390]Because you typically trespass purposefully, not many people walk around and purposefully get raped, in fact its the very definition of rape for it to NOT be purposefully.[/QUOTE]
you don't walk around and purposefully get murdered either. But she still was, and you're still blaming her for it.
[QUOTE=Gentry;45491332]What do you think about people when they say to rape victims that they shouldn't get drunk with strangers.[/QUOTE]
They're right. It's dangerous and stupid to get drunk with people you don't know. But how are rape victims like this woman exactly?
Hint: they aren't. Your analogy sucks.
[QUOTE=Govna;45491429]They're right. It's dangerous and stupid to get drunk with people you don't know.[/QUOTE]
So you're a rape [I]and[/I] murder apologist now lmao
when will this ride end
Did you read Noss' thread or something, because your style is spot on.
[QUOTE=Gentry;45491443]So you're a rape [I]and[/I] murder apologist now lmao
when will this ride end[/QUOTE]
I never apologized for rape. Nice try to entrap me there, though.
I'll ask again, how is your shitty rape analogy at all comparable to this case?
[QUOTE=ilikecorn;45491438]Probably because she made the conscious decision to break and enter into a private home, and assault the owner.
Had she not surrendered it would have been completely and totally legal for her to be shot, and I, for one, would have not felt a damned thing.
What makes it disgusting is the fact that she surrendered and was shot. As I said earlier, castle defense doesn't allow you to shoot someone who has surrendered, only someone who poses an active threat.[/QUOTE]
It wouldn't have been legal unless she was still in the house. She was fleeing, there's nothing legal about shooting someone whose fleeing.
[QUOTE=ilikecorn;45491459]I wasn't aware that you could be raped legally. Well, this changes EVERYTHING. Why aren't more rapists studying the legal rape laws BEFORE they go and rape someone?
Oh wait. There isn't a "rape defense" law. But you know what.. there are castle defense laws, and had she not surrendered, she would have been subject to them.
Oh wait, you don't really grasp the concept of US castle defense bills.. well then why are we arguing anyway. You obviously don't understand what you're talking about.[/QUOTE]
why are you talking about laws that don't apply to this thread.
[editline]25th July 2014[/editline]
[QUOTE=Govna;45491467]I never apologized for rape. Nice try to entrap me there, though.
I'll ask again, how is your shitty rape analogy at all comparable to this case?[/QUOTE]
Protip: its not an analogy.
I'll give you another go.
[QUOTE=ilikecorn;45491489]Why are you talking about crimes that don't apply in this thread?[/QUOTE]
Nothing wrong with giving Govna little thought experiments so maybe he can realize what he's saying is incredibly stupid on his own.
Maybe you should join in too because you're clearly not grasping much either.
[QUOTE=ilikecorn;45491472]Fleeing typically means you've surrendered..[/QUOTE]
My point is even if she wasn't fleeing and hadn't surrendered, unless she was still in the house, making open threats, or attacking him it would not have been legal.
[QUOTE=Gwoodman;45491266]Using rape as a comparable argument for murder is pretty cynical.
How does it even compare, the type of crime is completely different and applying sexual violation to your defense is scummy.[/QUOTE]
because the way you and a lot of others are dismissing stuff is pretty comparable
"she shouldn't have been robbing places if she was pregnant!!"
"we don't know how she [I]really[/I] reacted!"
"how pathetic, trying to use her own babby as a shield. she deserved this! i know this because i am a medium that can communicate with her spirit"
these kind of statements are useless and do nothing but shift the blame to the victim in the situation. you don't need to bring up all this "she shouldn't have X" bullshit, because it doesn't reveal some slew of information that we didn't know about before.
whose fault is it that an old dude shot some lady? the old man? nah, the lady was asking for it!
someone gets it
[QUOTE=Gentry;45491479]Protip: its not an analogy.
I'll give you another go.[/QUOTE]
Answer my question: how is your shitty rape HYPOTHETICAL CONUNDRUM comparable to this case?
It isn't.
Don't break into people's houses. Don't assault people. Don't steal from people. Don't get drunk with people you don't know. Don't rape people.
Don't do these things, and you won't get into any trouble. You certainly won't get shot.
[QUOTE=Govna;45491527]Don't break into people's houses. Don't assault people. Don't steal from people. Don't get drunk with people you don't know. Don't rape people.
Don't do these things, and you won't get into any trouble. You certainly won't get shot.[/QUOTE]
Add 'Don't murder people'.
See you're a victim of your own stupidity and baseless argument.
ps why can't you get drunk with people you don't know? If I do am I opening myself up to rape and should take responsibility?
[QUOTE=milkandcooki;45491519]whose fault is it that an old dude shot some lady? the old man? nah, the lady was asking for it![/QUOTE]
Good job, I said the old man shouldn't have shot the woman but of course, you out of all people come out at the moment rape and women are mentioned together.
[QUOTE=Gentry;45491539]Add 'Don't murder people'.
See you're a victim of your own stupidity and baseless argument.[/QUOTE]
No. My argument was over why she got shot, not whether or not this was an act of murder. She got shot because she broke into this guy's house, threw him around, and tried to steal from him. If she hadn't of broken into his house in the first place, she wouldn't have gotten shot, and none of this would have been an issue.
Congratulations on missing that.
[QUOTE=Govna;45491527]Answer my question: how is your shitty rape HYPOTHETICAL CONUNDRUM comparable to this case?
It isn't.
Don't break into people's houses. Don't assault people. Don't steal from people. Don't get drunk with people you don't know. Don't rape people.
Don't do these things, and you won't get into any trouble. You certainly won't get shot.[/QUOTE]
you aren't doing [I]anyone[/I] a favor by being a hindsight wizard. anyone in their right mind knows that doing shit like that might have consequences.
this lady was probably fully aware that she might get beaten up or fucking shot while robbing this dude's house, [I]but that doesn't justify his decision to chase her down and shoot her after she begged for her life.[/I] she was at his mercy, and he shot her once to kill her, and once to make sure she was dead like she was a fucking zombie or something.
old dude's a victim because he was robbed, lady's a victim because she was chased down and murdered. which one of those do you think is going to take priority?
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[QUOTE=milkandcooki;45491573]you aren't doing [I]anyone[/I] a favor by being a hindsight wizard. anyone in their right mind knows that doing shit like that might have consequences.
this lady was probably fully aware that she might get beaten up or fucking shot while robbing this dude's house, [I]but that doesn't justify his decision to chase her down and shoot her after she begged for her life.[/I] she was at his mercy, and he shot her once to kill her, and once to make sure she was dead like she was a fucking zombie or something.[/QUOTE]
No, but it also doesn't make her anymore of a victim as people are painting her to be either.
[QUOTE=Steve Stump;45491589]I value my objects over the lives of people who steal them.[/QUOTE]
do you own a firearm by any chance?
[editline]25th July 2014[/editline]
[QUOTE=Govna;45491592]No, but it also doesn't make her anymore of a victim as people are painting her to be either.[/QUOTE]
it kinda does m88
she was the victim of a brutal murder for no real reason
that is much worse than petty crime.
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